All Whites vs Socceroos | Fri 5th Sept | 9:45pm | GIO Stadium (Canberra) | Duke TV/FIFA+
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05 Sep 12:22
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Well that sucks.
Man if only we could actually score goals. Wood concerns me sometimes, not a big game player and every match for NZ is a big game. We don't have any other options though.
Great work dominating the game for the most part, really need the finishing touch now.
Way too harsh on Wood.
Despite us fans caring more about the NZ game vs Aussie... any premier league game is a 'big game' compared to an international friendly in Canberra... and he's scored nearly 100 goals there.
He's given a lot for the All Whites so deserves more respect imo. He's also been a little unlucky in some big moments for the All Whites (e.g disallowed VAR goal vs Costa Rica).
For me thats the best 60 mins i can remember from an AW side. We played them off the park with some delightful creative football. Thomas is a gem of a player and our midfield was dominant. The Socceroos just couldnt get hold of the ball. All we needed to do was score.....thats five games in a row against Oz we havnt scored. Then we sub on a bunch of AL players in their off season and you just know what was going to happen. I love Rufer as a player but has he played a match since April? Were there no other options. I do think we have a good shot at winning the series. We just have to score.....we are better than them.
I know it’s only Craig foster, but he did an interview with sportnation today. And he hasn’t changed a bit. Talked 10 minutes straight about the game tonight - and he mentioned nz once. I love Ricardo, but never again plz.Procrastinixing
Andy Harper is the epitome of Aussie-ganda20 Legend
Aussie commentators wanking on like they haven't been second best all night.
Oh well. If this was a proper competitive game I'd be gutted. But as it is, I've thoroughly enjoyed watching us dominate the aussie despite the scoreline. Lots to look forward to with the team we have and thankfully Bazeball hasn't been nearly as dire as many predicted.
I'm still gutted. This game actually means something unlike the Euro fixtures coming up.
We saw tonight that our best XI is actually better then Straya's but we seriously lack depth, a decent RB and another clinical striker.
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Man if only we could actually score goals. Wood concerns me sometimes, not a big game player and every match for NZ is a big game. We don't have any other options though.
Great work dominating the game for the most part, really need the finishing touch now.
If every match for NZ is a big game and he is by far and away our all time leading goalscorer then how is he not a big game player?
Well maybe not every match for us. PI teams excluded of course and the odd match against even or lower ranked teams.
I guess I mean more the matches where we are really up against it. Not sure out team composition really suits him all that well in these matches. He's absolutely our best options though, we need to feed him better. Hopefully we can do that with Cacace and old out there going forward.
the delivery is not quite right. and we don't create a lot of openings. our wide guys don't stretch the field and we don't get crosses in.
EPL teams have a definted method of attack where timing and quality is important and the right players are almost mechanically making the right runs.
it's just a different type and standard of football. it's not unusual to see it not connect with a solo 9. if this can be rememdied then we will be a heck of a team.
This. Without labouring the point, Payne puts that cross where he should and Wood has a tap in for 1-0. That happens in a Forest game but Timmy P ain’t near EPL quality.
And look I think Payne went okay. His runs off those raking Bindon switches gave the AWs many of their best chances.
Let’s hope for some goals in Penrose. In the brief post game chat with Wood he blamed himself for not scoring. He’ll be motivated for game 2.
Had that game been played in the 80s we'd have won that. Simple. With only 3 subs available, its likely that most of Wood, Thomas, Payne and Just stay on and McCowatt warms the bench.
The last time I saw us play so well was the 2010 WC. I love that until the multitude of subs happened, we were playing super positively and had Australia under the pump.
I can't ever remember seeing us have Aussie under the pump and I'm sure I've seen every NZ-Australia game since 1994 (including being at our last win, conveniently at Mt Smart when we got lucky through Nelsen).
I have a good feeling about the return game and the rest of our fixtures this year. Just a pity we have no back up striker or a RB better then A League level.
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Could this be a potential lineup at a World Cup? We don’t really do much damage with our wingers in games Imo. Our best work will be through the middle with the quality we have so we may aswell utilise it.
It allows us to stay narrow defensively too and overload the midfield with the defensive power we have in there too. IMG_4842.png481.55 KB
I reckon that's pretty much it although I'd like to see Surman in there too. Maybe at Bell's expense.
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It was part experimentation and part his hand forced with Wood, Thomas and Singh being on limited mins. Payne and FDV still in preseason and then taking heavy knocks.
McGarry did some good things, Elliott less so. Rufer yes very average. Hopefully a lot of that just rust. Kosta too isolated to offer much
I presume Surman starts for Boxall in game two, but otherwise it maybe an unchanged run on 11. Old on for McCowatt with Just going to the right side? Rogerson the other option
Man if only we could actually score goals. Wood concerns me sometimes, not a big game player and every match for NZ is a big game. We don't have any other options though.
Great work dominating the game for the most part, really need the finishing touch now.
If every match for NZ is a big game and he is by far and away our all time leading goalscorer then how is he not a big game player?
Well maybe not every match for us. PI teams excluded of course and the odd match against even or lower ranked teams.
I guess I mean more the matches where we are really up against it. Not sure out team composition really suits him all that well in these matches. He's absolutely our best options though, we need to feed him better. Hopefully we can do that with Cacace and old out there going forward.
the delivery is not quite right. and we don't create a lot of openings. our wide guys don't stretch the field and we don't get crosses in.
EPL teams have a definted method of attack where timing and quality is important and the right players are almost mechanically making the right runs.
it's just a different type and standard of football. it's not unusual to see it not connect with a solo 9. if this can be rememdied then we will be a heck of a team.
This. Without labouring the point, Payne puts that cross where he should and Wood has a tap in for 1-0. That happens in a Forest game but Timmy P ain’t near EPL quality.
And look I think Payne went okay. His runs off those raking Bindon switches gave the AWs many of their best chances.
Let’s hope for some goals in Penrose. In the brief post game chat with Wood he blamed himself for not scoring. He’ll be motivated for game 2.
That said it hasn’t happened in a Forest game since Elanga left. Ndoye chose to play the ball behind him for a cut back to no one as Wood clearly made a far post run last game… Hopefully both him and Payne learn again how to square a ball!
Man if only we could actually score goals. Wood concerns me sometimes, not a big game player and every match for NZ is a big game. We don't have any other options though.
Great work dominating the game for the most part, really need the finishing touch now.
If every match for NZ is a big game and he is by far and away our all time leading goalscorer then how is he not a big game player?
If you split his games into non-OFC and OFC opposition it shows a story. His last five starts are:
Altogether it’s 9 in 10 matches which looks great, but it’s also 0 in the 6 toughest occasions and 9 in 4 in the easier once you scratch beneath the surface.
He has just the one goal in his AWs career against teams ranked below 40th at the time of the game (as many as Ben Waine and less than McCowatt has). Since becoming a Premier League striker in late 2017, he has only the one non-penalty (vs Japan) (and one penalty vs DR Congo) goal against sides ranked below 75th.
Having the higher pedigree comes with higher expectations and standards. Hopefully he can break this streak on Tuesday and then next year too.
Unless Thomas and Singh were injured .That was such a poor decision to sub them. In my opinion they are two best players in team with Wood of course. We made Aussie look average and they are average. We had an opportunity to beat them twice and the coach did nothing to help. It's time we started beating teams like Australia especially at this moment when we have such creative quality players. It may sound ruthless but I'm not sure Bazeley is good enough. That was infuriating seeing Thomas and Singh come off when we were dominating Australia
Unless Thomas and Singh were injured .That was such a poor decision to sub them. In my opinion they are two best players in team with Wood of course. We made Aussie look average and they are average. We had an opportunity to beat them twice and the coach did nothing to help. It's time we started beating teams like Australia especially at this moment when we have such creative quality players. It may sound ruthless but I'm not sure Bazeley is good enough. That was infuriating seeing Thomas and Singh come off when we were dominating Australia
Someone said they were on a limited minutes agreement or something?
Unless Thomas and Singh were injured .That was such a poor decision to sub them. In my opinion they are two best players in team with Wood of course. We made Aussie look average and they are average. We had an opportunity to beat them twice and the coach did nothing to help. It's time we started beating teams like Australia especially at this moment when we have such creative quality players. It may sound ruthless but I'm not sure Bazeley is good enough. That was infuriating seeing Thomas and Singh come off when we were dominating Australia
Someone said they were on a limited minutes agreement or something?
Its very hard to swallow, turning the team upside down when we were dominating the game. This is the sort of thing you would see in the social grades where everyone deserves a run because they all play their subscriptions
We play long to Kosta there, one mini to go. Not his fault, but he can’t deputise Wood. If it’s Mata, we hold that ball more often, win it or a throw. Or even Ott or someone…
Kosta has been great, but he’s not that quick anymore and he can’t be asked to win aerial ball. Maybe he can hold up and start counters with ball to feet, but we couldn’t get him that. We can’t ask him to be our back up 9 playing this way.
Why was Guillermo May not selected to play with Wood as he’s eligible? He’s a creative skilful player that would split defences and who be a great partner for Wood. He also doesn’t just wait for the through balls to be handed to him he looks for the opportunities which is what we are lacking up front atm.
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martinb
We play long to Kosta there, one mini to go. Not his fault, but he can’t deputise Wood. If it’s Mata, we hold that ball more often, win it or a throw. Or even Ott or someone…
Kosta has been great, but he’s not that quick anymore and he can’t be asked to win aerial ball. Maybe he can hold up and start counters with ball to feet, but we couldn’t get him that. We can’t ask him to be our back up 9 playing this way.
Why was Guillermo May not selected to play with Wood as he’s eligible? He’s a creative skilful player that would split defences and who be a great partner for Wood. He also doesn’t just wait for the through balls to be handed to him he looks for the opportunities which is what we are lacking up front atm.
We looked far better than them for most of the game. Dodgy subs didn’t help. But given we had 3 top players out I’m pretty happy with what I saw overall. Also great to see some passion. Crocombe throwing his toys at his defenders was good to see.
I loved the attacking intent. Let’s get the win on Tuesday.
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May is definitely not eligible for NZ my friendFootball Ted
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We play long to Kosta there, one mini to go. Not his fault, but he can’t deputise Wood. If it’s Mata, we hold that ball more often, win it or a throw. Or even Ott or someone…
Kosta has been great, but he’s not that quick anymore and he can’t be asked to win aerial ball. Maybe he can hold up and start counters with ball to feet, but we couldn’t get him that. We can’t ask him to be our back up 9 playing this way.
Why was Guillermo May not selected to play with Wood as he’s eligible? He’s a creative skilful player that would split defences and who be a great partner for Wood. He also doesn’t just wait for the through balls to be handed to him he looks for the opportunities which is what we are lacking up front atm.
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May is definitely not eligible for NZ my friendFootball Ted
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We play long to Kosta there, one mini to go. Not his fault, but he can’t deputise Wood. If it’s Mata, we hold that ball more often, win it or a throw. Or even Ott or someone…
Kosta has been great, but he’s not that quick anymore and he can’t be asked to win aerial ball. Maybe he can hold up and start counters with ball to feet, but we couldn’t get him that. We can’t ask him to be our back up 9 playing this way.
Why was Guillermo May not selected to play with Wood as he’s eligible? He’s a creative skilful player that would split defences and who be a great partner for Wood. He also doesn’t just wait for the through balls to be handed to him he looks for the opportunities which is what we are lacking up front atm.
Yeah I asked him about it after the game and he said he just jolted his knee and that he would be fine for the Auckland game. He had an ice pack on it though
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May is definitely not eligible for NZ my friendFootball Ted
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We play long to Kosta there, one mini to go. Not his fault, but he can’t deputise Wood. If it’s Mata, we hold that ball more often, win it or a throw. Or even Ott or someone…
Kosta has been great, but he’s not that quick anymore and he can’t be asked to win aerial ball. Maybe he can hold up and start counters with ball to feet, but we couldn’t get him that. We can’t ask him to be our back up 9 playing this way.
Why was Guillermo May not selected to play with Wood as he’s eligible? He’s a creative skilful player that would split defences and who be a great partner for Wood. He also doesn’t just wait for the through balls to be handed to him he looks for the opportunities which is what we are lacking up front atm.
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May is definitely not eligible for NZ my friendFootball Ted
martinb
We play long to Kosta there, one mini to go. Not his fault, but he can’t deputise Wood. If it’s Mata, we hold that ball more often, win it or a throw. Or even Ott or someone…
Kosta has been great, but he’s not that quick anymore and he can’t be asked to win aerial ball. Maybe he can hold up and start counters with ball to feet, but we couldn’t get him that. We can’t ask him to be our back up 9 playing this way.
Why was Guillermo May not selected to play with Wood as he’s eligible? He’s a creative skilful player that would split defences and who be a great partner for Wood. He also doesn’t just wait for the through balls to be handed to him he looks for the opportunities which is what we are lacking up front atm.
Yes, a great first half, good press and ball retention. Just a pity the second half was back to the old style, park the bus and kick long.loyalgunner
We looked far better than them for most of the game. Dodgy subs didn’t help. But given we had 3 top players out I’m pretty happy with what I saw overall. Also great to see some passion. Crocombe throwing his toys at his defenders was good to see.
I loved the attacking intent. Let’s get the win on Tuesday.
Just watched Baze's press conference, was asked about injuries and said only a few niggles were being managed, so that apparently supports the fact that FdV's injury is not serious, which is great news. Baze said absolutely nothing else of interest
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We play long to Kosta there, one mini to go. Not his fault, but he can’t deputise Wood. If it’s Mata, we hold that ball more often, win it or a throw. Or even Ott or someone…
Kosta has been great, but he’s not that quick anymore and he can’t be asked to win aerial ball. Maybe he can hold up and start counters with ball to feet, but we couldn’t get him that. We can’t ask him to be our back up 9 playing this way.
Why was Guillermo May not selected to play with Wood as he’s eligible? He’s a creative skilful player that would split defences and who be a great partner for Wood. He also doesn’t just wait for the through balls to be handed to him he looks for the opportunities which is what we are lacking up front atm.
imanixsupporter
May is definitely not eligible for NZ my friendFootball Ted
martinb
We play long to Kosta there, one mini to go. Not his fault, but he can’t deputise Wood. If it’s Mata, we hold that ball more often, win it or a throw. Or even Ott or someone…
Kosta has been great, but he’s not that quick anymore and he can’t be asked to win aerial ball. Maybe he can hold up and start counters with ball to feet, but we couldn’t get him that. We can’t ask him to be our back up 9 playing this way.
Why was Guillermo May not selected to play with Wood as he’s eligible? He’s a creative skilful player that would split defences and who be a great partner for Wood. He also doesn’t just wait for the through balls to be handed to him he looks for the opportunities which is what we are lacking up front atm.
We looked far better than them for most of the game. Dodgy subs didn’t help. But given we had 3 top players out I’m pretty happy with what I saw overall. Also great to see some passion. Crocombe throwing his toys at his defenders was good to see.
I loved the attacking intent. Let’s get the win on Tuesday.
Cacace, Stamenic & who is the third? You couldnt have squeezed Paulsen into the same team
Last night was a watershed moment for bez, he needed to prove he had the ability get a world class performance out of the players, something to give us hope for the world cup. Based on last night, bez will have a headache with stamenic and cacache coming back in. But nice to know that we will have more depth on the bench. We need to find our own iranakunda to come off the bench and shake up the game, unfortunately there is not much bez can do about that. The strategy to try win the game in the first 60 was undoubtedly the right one, and we were very unlucky not to.
We play long to Kosta there, one mini to go. Not his fault, but he can’t deputise Wood. If it’s Mata, we hold that ball more often, win it or a throw. Or even Ott or someone…
Kosta has been great, but he’s not that quick anymore and he can’t be asked to win aerial ball. Maybe he can hold up and start counters with ball to feet, but we couldn’t get him that. We can’t ask him to be our back up 9 playing this way.
Why was Guillermo May not selected to play with Wood as he’s eligible? He’s a creative skilful player that would split defences and who be a great partner for Wood. He also doesn’t just wait for the through balls to be handed to him he looks for the opportunities which is what we are lacking up front atm.
Yes, he gave the ball away a couple of times. Control and vision not great. Why does he keep making the squad? LBS and Rogerson better options IMO. Also looks like Payne may have peaked a year or two back. Elliot again looked the better RB when he came on, kept Bos in check. Pretty good first half considering.
I’m not a McCowatt fan but he is kms ahead of Rogerson and miles ahead of LBS.
injuries dependent we will be playing Bell, Marko, Singh and Thomas in the starting team.
In my view Singh either replaces McCowatt with a slight change of shape, with Just and Wood up front.
My preferred option however is Thomas at right back instead of Payne. I believe after watching that game he has the pace and engine to do a great job there and it seriously upskills our team.
Someone posted that during his brief game time he played the position for PSV, which while I can’t remember, I can definitely believe.
Unless Thomas and Singh were injured .That was such a poor decision to sub them. In my opinion they are two best players in team with Wood of course. We made Aussie look average and they are average. We had an opportunity to beat them twice and the coach did nothing to help. It's time we started beating teams like Australia especially at this moment when we have such creative quality players. It may sound ruthless but I'm not sure Bazeley is good enough. That was infuriating seeing Thomas and Singh come off when we were dominating Australia
Someone said they were on a limited minutes agreement or something?
Its very hard to swallow, turning the team upside down when we were dominating the game. This is the sort of thing you would see in the social grades where everyone deserves a run because they all play their subscriptions
As above there are likely agreements between NZF and Forest, Zwolle etc on how many mins some of the AWs players will be on. Wood has had a bad unlucky trend lately of picking injuries on AWs duty downunder
Has been a lot of the talk the last 6 months about Thomas only coming back in when he thought his body could handle the extra load of international football.
As it is we got him one window earlier than scheduled ie it was to initially be October. Man he was good
Starting to think yes a diamond midfield of Bell, Stamenic, Thomas and Singh our best formation. Just and Wood up top. Tika taka keep the ball and like the goal verus Ivory Coast, score from fast turnovers. Was a delight to see the frustrated looks on the Socceroos players in the first half, they literally were chasing ghosts sometimes.
Work on set piece goal opportunities as well. I had hoped Boxy would have a few throwins. He’s had a number of throwin assists with Minnesota this season. Was Baze keeping that up his sleeve? But then Boxall probably won’t start at Mt Smart
Can see Poppa starting a whole new midfield in game 2. Their starters were poor
Szoboszlai giving you ideas? You have no idea if Thomas would be any good there, pure wishful thinking. But I think you're right that we probably need to accomodate all 4 of Stamenic Bell Thomas & Singh, and it probably is McCowatt who can be sacrificed to achieve it.
Rogerson deserves a run at Mt Smart, and will help to get the AFC crowd more enthusiastic about the All Whites. I think he would prove that he isn't miles behind McCowatt at all. AucklandPhoenix
I’m not a McCowatt fan but he is kms ahead of Rogerson and miles ahead of LBS.
injuries dependent we will be playing Bell, Marko, Singh and Thomas in the starting team.
In my view Singh either replaces McCowatt with a slight change of shape, with Just and Wood up front.
My preferred option however is Thomas at right back instead of Payne. I believe after watching that game he has the pace and engine to do a great job there and it seriously upskills our team.
Someone posted that during his brief game time he played the position for PSV, which while I can’t remember, I can definitely believe.
Edit: if you wanted to run an experiment like that, shifting one of our surplus excellent midfielders to right back, I would try Stamenic there myself and leave Thomas in midfield with Bell. Would leave us with very little midfield cover though, Rufer's performance was very worrying
Well that wasnt as bad as expected, after all the talk of the Aussiebeing the far better team I think we held our own and actually dominated for the majority of that game. First half we were all over them, Woodsy had two very good chances and to be fiar he should have out the first away, he had so much time to take another touch and go around Izzo or pause and lift it over him, no defenders anywhere near him. Should have been 1-0 at least at half time. Second half was much the same until the subs started coming on. Baze's bug mistake was taking Singh off for Surman, I guess he only did that to counter Irakunda's threat, bt I dont think we needed a flat 5 at the back for one player. Eitherway it was a good hit out just a little disspointing we couldnt put one of the many chances we had away.
I don’t really have anything to add that hasn’t been said already, but credit to Balard for the fairytale debut - how good would it be if LBS could do the same on Tuesday?
Also it was cool to be part of the small but vocal kiwi contingent and meet some of the players afterwards (lots of Aussie kids wanting Wood’s autograph), made for a great night despite the result.
