All Whites vs South Africa

Also, that Booth player for South Africa who was booed everytime he touched the ball, had he committed some grievous offence equal to that of Hyuk Su Seo or was he hated because he was white?  If it was the latter then that's pretty poor from a nation who has strived for equality since apartheid, very poor indeed.

Edit:  My mistake.  From Wikipedia... "He has won a soft spot in the hearts of South African fans, with them shouting out his surname Booth everytime he touches the ball (often mistaken for booing)".

The commentator at one point also thought it was booing, he made a comment about it in the first half.

Yeah, it does look a bit dodgy the only white guy seeming to get booed all the time; especially in South Africa where race issues seem to be always lurking in the background, but yeah BOOOOTH all the way. Have been reasonably impressed with him, especially since it seems that he has replaced Nasief Morris in the squad (unless there where some non football related reasons for Morris not making the squad). Morris spent the last season at Recreativo in La Liga playing 21 games.

That was a simply dreadful match.  Not one positive to take out of it, that's no lie, not a single one.  I defended Mulligan in the match against Spain, but I can't now, he was dreadful.  Brown did nothing, Lochhead was far to slow and was often out of position.  Bertos was rubbish.  Why did Herbert sub Oughton on?  Worst managerial decision ever!  Oughton was useless.  The only players who didn't play poorly were Moss and Vicelich.

I used to think Herbert would be able to coach both the Phoenix and the All Whites, but not anymore.  If we play against Iraq as we played this morning he should resign.  Actually, he probably should resign anyway.  He's ok at the Phoenix, but not for the national team.  Some of those substitutions were a disgrace (Oughton).  I have a lot of patience (I support NZ football, after all), and I don't call for heads to roll after every loss, but after this abysmal tripe something must be done.

Thinking about it, while the WC would be good exposure for our boys, it will end the same way as this Confederations Cup - total, unadulterated failure.  Maybe it's just the frustration talking, but I don't want to qualify.  We don't have a hope.  We have got to get out of Oceania.

Rant over, provided I don't think of anything else.

Ha... never has happened on here, never will DF.

The jury is very much still out among a sizeable chunk of Australian supporters about whether Verbeek is in fact any good.  Many think they have qualifiedin spite of him rather than because of him.

I can't see any other New Zealander up to the job.

Ha... never has happened on here, never will DF.

Some of you need to take a deep breath BEFORE posting, OK?

Isnt that just the reason for our defeats at this level though

They have a player who cant get on the park today who plays La Liga,

We have a player who cant get in the A League team but gets on the park today

Totally outclassed today, as against Spain

That was a simply dreadful match.  Not one positive to take out of it, that's no lie, not a single one.  I defended Mulligan in the match against Spain, but I can't now, he was dreadful.  Brown did nothing, Lochhead was far to slow and was often out of position.  Bertos was rubbish.  Why did Herbert sub Oughton on?  Worst managerial decision ever!  Oughton was useless.  The only players who didn't play poorly were Moss and Vicelich.

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Rant over, provided I don't think of anything else.

I didn't hear the interview.. but if he thinks that is why we lost then that is very disturbing. It's pretty hard to retain the ball, when the midfield can't even get the ball over half way...

Utter sh*t from the 1st to the 87th min

not a lot the coach can do when his players cannot seem to pass the ball to each other? I'm pretty sure his tactics were "pass the ball to the SA guys" then "conceed goals down the left flank" - once on the field all he can do is sub and yell, if noone listens, then nadda happens...

Disagree, the coach also picks the team, the Govt should stop moaning about bank mortgage rates being too high and instigate a select committee enquiry into why Mulligan starts at RB for the All Whites?.

A liberal sprinkling of Green MP's as surely RH's selection of Mulligan and Mulligan's performances at RB contravene our obligations under Kyoto for excessive methane omissions!

Disagree, the coach also picks the team, the Govt should stop moaning about bank mortgage rates being too high and instigate a select committee enquiry into why Mulligan starts at RB for the All Whites?.

The coach also sends the team out with a game plan (or is meant to?), if the aim was to sit deep and get players behind the ball well it was a tactical disaster. The distance between the back four and the strikers was way to big and provided a huge amount of space for an athletic and mobile SA team to play in. Compounded by the central midfield almost sitting on top of the back four. When the front two got the ball their options were scarce.

We just don't get enough exposure to that kind of play, and it will continue to haunt us until<snip>

Or you could say that the players we have can't execute the game plan when placed against a speedy attacking side in a tough competetive game.

We just don't get enough exposure to that kind of play, and it will continue to haunt us until a LOT of the things change in NZ football. Herbert or no Herbert.

But personally I find all this angst against Herbert a bit ironic given the laudits he was given by many of the same people for trying to play possession football and playing 2 forwards against some of the best sides in the world.

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Not I, I've always known hes out of his league. We need some one who can get the best out of what we have, and he ain't it. Ditto for the nix

Disagree, the coach also picks the team, the Govt should stop moaning about bank mortgage rates being too high and instigate a select committee enquiry into why Mulligan starts at RB for the All Whites?.

The coach also sends the team out with a game plan (or is meant to?), if the aim was to sit deep and get players behind the ball well it was a tactical disaster. The distance between the back four and the strikers was way to big and provided a huge amount of space for an athletic and mobile SA team to play in. Compounded by the central midfield almost sitting on top of the back four. When the front two got the ball their options were scarce.

Lost count the amount of times a NZ player would pass square to the inside and then stand stock still. No attempt to run into space down the wing

That's what my 9th grade team does, inexcusable at this level.

Ha... never has happened on here, never will DF.

The jury is very much still out among a sizeable chunk of Australian supporters about whether Verbeek is in fact any good.  Many think they have qualifiedin spite of him rather than because of him.

I can't see any other New Zealander up to the job.

Agree ex-1,  SA learnt the lesson from Spain in the previous game..if you play at pace  NZ don't handle it well,are generally half a step off the pace, and revert to ball watching.My impression of the 1st half was yes, SA are ahead but they are beatable, not a patch on Spain.
We didn't come up with the tactics to beat them 2nd half.

Didn't mean you Auskiwi, but some others.

And DF - it's something to think about isn't it? I don't think this same squad would be achieving much better results, but they would a) be a more cohesive unit, which always helps, and b) understand their limitations at this level a bit better, and play accordingly. But MUCH better results at international level won't come until there are some fundamental changes in NZ football, from top to bottom. And that's not happening any time soon, so we have to make do with what we have at the moment.

Wynton would have done a better job then Ricki.

Wrong (FACT)I won't claim he would have done worse, but about 99.9999% certain he wouldn't have done better.� I've seen him coach a side.