Thank f**k we are locking in Keat before he plays for the US.
You know people won't get that...
All Whites, Ferns, and other international teams
AWs v Jamaica Mt Smart Feb 29th 7:30pm
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Thank f**k we are locking in Keat before he plays for the US.
I'm waiting for the 'Where's Daniel and Lia' calls to start.
Thats a very strong team. Other than the Elliott and Moss injuries, you have to argue that he has picked the strongest squad available. Fallon might have a whinge but is he setting the Scottish Premier League alight? Probably form was against him...
Well it's two of either Killen, Wood and Fallon and it's pretty easy to cut Fallon out of that.
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A-League players: 9 (inc. 5 Nix)
England: 4
US: 2
NZFC: 1
Other: 2 (Kosta and Killen)
England: 4
US: 2
NZFC: 1
Other: 2 (Kosta and Killen)
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This forum needs less angst and more Kate Bush threads
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The other two MLS players Boyens and Boxall will de disappointed.
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The other two MLS players Boyens and Boxall will de disappointed.
Boyens has never showed much class for the All Whites other than against Wales. Maybe Boxall, but looking at the squad we've picked, I can't see who we would drop for him ..other than Ivan Vicelich.
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Pretty happy with that. Only thing I really disagree with is Vicelich over Boxall although his lack of gametime probably counted against him. Don't recall ever seeing Keat play so looking forward to see if he can fill the glaring hole we have in the middle of the field. I though Tommy Smith came out publicly saying he wanted to skip this, I would have let him as we have plenty of cover at the back and it would be a good opportunity to try something different. But is also good to see Ricki is taking this game seriously.
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Given that squad here's the lineup I'd like to see:
Gleeson
SigmUnd Reid Nelsen Lochhead
Vicelich Keat
McGlinchey
Smeltz Wood Barbarouses
In my imagination the front three can swap places around to confuse defenders and create more width if need be. Keat gets a chance to show what he's got and whether he can play as a holding midfielder, with Vicelich beside him to take a bit of pressure off. Gleeson to start to get experience in a friendly game so he doesn't get thrown in the deep end in a competitive game due to injury or suspension later. Siggy at right back just because his form has been so good this season he deserves a start, and there's no natural RB in the squad (of course that probably means Ricki's planning on playing 3 at the back, but this is what I want to see)
Gleeson
SigmUnd Reid Nelsen Lochhead
Vicelich Keat
McGlinchey
Smeltz Wood Barbarouses
In my imagination the front three can swap places around to confuse defenders and create more width if need be. Keat gets a chance to show what he's got and whether he can play as a holding midfielder, with Vicelich beside him to take a bit of pressure off. Gleeson to start to get experience in a friendly game so he doesn't get thrown in the deep end in a competitive game due to injury or suspension later. Siggy at right back just because his form has been so good this season he deserves a start, and there's no natural RB in the squad (of course that probably means Ricki's planning on playing 3 at the back, but this is what I want to see)
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Given that squad here's the lineup I'd like to see:
Gleeson
SigmUnd Reid Nelsen Lochhead
Vicelich Keat
McGlinchey
Smeltz Wood Barbarouses
In my imagination the front three can swap places around to confuse defenders and create more width if need be. Keat gets a chance to show what he's got and whether he can play as a holding midfielder, with Vicelich beside him to take a bit of pressure off. Gleeson to start to get experience in a friendly game so he doesn't get thrown in the deep end in a competitive game due to injury or suspension later. Siggy at right back just because his form has been so good this season he deserves a start, and there's no natural RB in the squad (of course that probably means Ricki's planning on playing 3 at the back, but this is what I want to see)
I still think Ricki will go with Paston for this game. I don't want to see SigmUnd at right back against the 11x100m Jamaican relay team.Gleeson
SigmUnd Reid Nelsen Lochhead
Vicelich Keat
McGlinchey
Smeltz Wood Barbarouses
In my imagination the front three can swap places around to confuse defenders and create more width if need be. Keat gets a chance to show what he's got and whether he can play as a holding midfielder, with Vicelich beside him to take a bit of pressure off. Gleeson to start to get experience in a friendly game so he doesn't get thrown in the deep end in a competitive game due to injury or suspension later. Siggy at right back just because his form has been so good this season he deserves a start, and there's no natural RB in the squad (of course that probably means Ricki's planning on playing 3 at the back, but this is what I want to see)
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Paston
Reid Nelsen Smith
Leo Vicelich Brown Lochy
McGlinchey
Smeltz WoodNot necessarily my pick, but would think Ricki will go for something like that
Reid Nelsen Smith
Leo Vicelich Brown Lochy
McGlinchey
Smeltz WoodNot necessarily my pick, but would think Ricki will go for something like that
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Paston
Reid Nelsen Smith
Leo Vicelich Brown Lochy
McGlinchey
Smeltz WoodNot necessarily my pick, but would think Ricki will go for something like that
Reid Nelsen Smith
Leo Vicelich Brown Lochy
McGlinchey
Smeltz WoodNot necessarily my pick, but would think Ricki will go for something like that
Probably right, but I really hope not. Having a back 3 means you need fast fit wingbacks to provide attacking width AND cover the defence. Bertos and Lochhead can't quite manage that so they just end up pinned back in thier own half and our attacks deteriorate into long balls up the middle. Ok against much better teams to try and absorb pressure and snatch goal, but vs the likes of Jamaica at home I would hope that we would play with a back 4 so our attacks can be more multi-dimensional
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
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You also have to question whether the 3-4-3 is the best formation to use in the oceania matches. I got the impression it was mainly used against superior teams to try and circumvent our problems with transitioning the ball through the midfield while trying to take advantage of the height of our strikers.
Against the oceania teams though, I think it just invites attacks down the flanks too much and stretches our wide midfielders. It worked pretty well but I don't think we should get locked into it.
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Also, pretty much every club side plays with a back 4 so players are
used to what those roles require. A back 3 requires slightly different
positioning from the central defenders which might not come intuitively
to them if they have been playing in a back 4 week in week out, and this
can create confusion in the backline. Not saying that this is a huge
issue but playing as the left or right central defender in a back 3 is
different to playing as one of a central defensive partnership in a back
4, or as a fullback for that matter. By the same token goalkeepers are
used to organising a back 4 not a back 3. If the AWs played more often
this
might not be an issue as players could adjust to it but it seems like an
unnecessary burden to place on a squad which only gets a few days
together before a game. Play a back 4 and everyone is familiar with
their role before they even turn up.
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
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Pretty happy with that. Only thing I really disagree with is Vicelich over Boxall although his lack of gametime probably counted against him. Don't recall ever seeing Keat play so looking forward to see if he can fill the glaring hole we have in the middle of the field. I though Tommy Smith came out publicly saying he wanted to skip this, I would have let him as we have plenty of cover at the back and it would be a good opportunity to try something different. But is also good to see Ricki is taking this game seriously.
he was talking about Olympic qualifiers.
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Pretty happy with that. Only thing I really disagree with is Vicelich over Boxall although his lack of gametime probably counted against him. Don't recall ever seeing Keat play so looking forward to see if he can fill the glaring hole we have in the middle of the field. I though Tommy Smith came out publicly saying he wanted to skip this, I would have let him as we have plenty of cover at the back and it would be a good opportunity to try something different. But is also good to see Ricki is taking this game seriously.
he was talking about Olympic qualifiers.
"We've got a good base of players now. There's over 30 of us at clubs around the world now and there seems to be more and more coming through from New Zealand age group teams. I was speaking to Tommy Smith and Jeremy Brockie recently and we're all waiting and hoping for that call up for the Jamaica match.''
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Thank f**k we are locking in Keat before he plays for the US.
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Pretty happy with that. Only thing I really disagree with is Vicelich over Boxall although his lack of gametime probably counted against him. Don't recall ever seeing Keat play so looking forward to see if he can fill the glaring hole we have in the middle of the field. I though Tommy Smith came out publicly saying�he wanted to skip this, I would have let him as we have�plenty of�cover at the back and it would be a good opportunity to try something different. But is also good to see Ricki is taking this game seriously.
I think it was the Olympic qualifiers he said he wanted to miss (which is fair enough as they are not in FIFA window.)
Edit: sorry 2B, you beat me to it. Although it looks like it may need some reinforcing anyway
Edit Again - proof: tommy smith happy to hold off olympic dream to help ipswich
In that article he also says "�We have got a friendly with the All Whites first team on February 29 (against Jamaica) and I hope to be selected."aitkenmike2012-02-09 12:19:37
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I posted this in the Ryan Nelson link, but probably really belongs here . . .
Bit worried now that Capello has gone from the England coaching role, and that 'Arry has been cleared of tax evasion and is being tipped as a possible England Coach, that things could get a bit tricky for Ryan.
Much as i would love him to come back for the Jamaica game, I wonder whether it might be best for him to stay and try and cement a role in the Spurs squad?
Bit worried now that Capello has gone from the England coaching role, and that 'Arry has been cleared of tax evasion and is being tipped as a possible England Coach, that things could get a bit tricky for Ryan.
Much as i would love him to come back for the Jamaica game, I wonder whether it might be best for him to stay and try and cement a role in the Spurs squad?
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Thank f**k we are locking in Keat before he plays for the US.
someone please explain!
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3-4-3 doesn't need to be defensive
against honduras and paraguay ricki opened things up a bit by playing bertos and brockie as wide midfielders as opposed to the wing backs that were deployed at the world cup
against honduras and paraguay ricki opened things up a bit by playing bertos and brockie as wide midfielders as opposed to the wing backs that were deployed at the world cup
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The other two MLS players Boyens and Boxall will de disappointed.
Boyens has never showed much class for the All Whites other than against Wales. Maybe Boxall, but looking at the squad we've picked, I can't see who we would drop for him ..other than Ivan Vicelich.
Grumpy old bastard alert
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Given that squad here's the lineup I'd like to see:
Gleeson
SigmUnd Reid Nelsen Lochhead
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Reid at RB and SigmUnd in the middle. Reid has far better ball skills than SigmUnd.Gleeson
SigmUnd Reid Nelsen Lochhead
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Grumpy old bastard alert
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Paston
Reid Nelsen Smith
Leo Vicelich Brown Lochy
McGlinchey
Smeltz Wood Not necessarily my pick, but would think Ricki will go for something like that
I still do not like this concept of using a winger and defender as a wing back. Leave Leo forward and leave Lochhead back because those roles are not their natural game.Reid Nelsen Smith
Leo Vicelich Brown Lochy
McGlinchey
Smeltz Wood Not necessarily my pick, but would think Ricki will go for something like that
Grumpy old bastard alert
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I am not a fan either, but it has brought sucess and it is Ricki we are talking about
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It depends if Ricki goes with a 4-4-2 or a 3-4-3 or 4-3-3. I think based on what he has, the 4-4-2 is a better fit
4-4-2
Paston
Reid SigmUnd Nelsen Smith
McGlinchy Brown Vicielich ?
Wood Smeltz
3-4-3
WC line up with Wood for Fallon? as much as I don't like that...
4-3-3
Paston
Reid SigmUnd Nelsen Smith
Vicelich Brown
McGlinchy
Wood Killen Smeltz
Grumpy old bastard alert
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It depends if Ricki goes with a 4-4-2 or a 3-4-3 or 4-3-3. I think based on what he has, the 4-4-2 is a better fit
4-4-2
Paston
Reid SigmUnd Nelsen Smith
McGlinchy Brown Vicielich ?
Wood Smeltz
3-4-3
WC line up with Wood for Fallon? as much as I don't like that...
4-3-3
Paston
Reid SigmUnd Nelsen Smith
Vicelich Brown
McGlinchy
Wood Killen Smeltz
Sort of like that but really leaves us with NOTHING CREATIVE OUTSIDE OF WEE mAC.
Would have either Kost or Marco, probably Marco in place of Killen
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Thank f**k we are locking in Keat before he plays for the US.
Dates back to heated discussions trying to explain to people that friendlies don't 'lock' players into playing for that country.
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Challenge is how to fit creative midfielders into a defensive lineup.....can say Kosta or Marco be left out till its to late to recover from a deficicit?. If ts its 4-3-3 I would leave out Killen.
A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen
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Daniel is also off contract at the end of the season and, after a long stint as a specialist benchwarmer, the 32-year-old seems to have a new lease of life playing alongside Sanchez.
The left-footed midfielder is one of five survivors from the inaugural Phoenix season in 2007-08, along with Mark Paston, Tony Lochhead, Tim Brown and Vince Lia, and, already a New Zealand passport holder, becomes eligible to play for the All Whites next month.
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It depends if Ricki goes with a 4-4-2 or a 3-4-3 or 4-3-3. I think based on what he has, the 4-4-2 is a better fit
4-4-2
Paston
Reid SigmUnd Nelsen Smith
McGlinchy Brown Vicielich ?
Wood Smeltz
3-4-3
WC line up with Wood for Fallon? as much as I don't like that...
4-3-3
Paston
Reid SigmUnd Nelsen Smith
Vicelich Brown
McGlinchy
Wood Killen Smeltz
Sort of like that but really leaves us with NOTHING CREATIVE OUTSIDE OF WEE mAC.
Would have either Kost or Marco, probably Marco in place of Killen
Agree, thats why I think the 4-4-2 works better and you can put someone on the left. McGlinchy plays on the right for CCM but if you use Vicelich and Brown as anchors, then him and whomever is on the left can roam a little. The obvious one is Rojas I think but I'm not 100% on that either.
Jeff Vader2012-02-09 14:48:06Grumpy old bastard alert
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It depends if Ricki goes with a 4-4-2 or a 3-4-3 or 4-3-3. I think based on what he has, the 4-4-2 is a better fit
4-4-2
Paston
Reid SigmUnd Nelsen Smith
McGlinchy Brown Vicielich ?
Wood Smeltz
3-4-3
WC line up with Wood for Fallon? as much as I don't like that...
4-3-3
Paston
Reid SigmUnd Nelsen Smith
Vicelich Brown
McGlinchy
Wood Killen Smeltz
Agree, thats why I think the 4-4-2 works better and you can put someone on the left. McGlinchy plays on the right for CCM but if you use Vicelich and Brown as anchors, then him and whomever is on the left can roam a little. The obvious one is Rojas I think but I'm not 100% on that either.
Sort of like that but really leaves us with NOTHING CREATIVE OUTSIDE OF WEE mAC.
Would have either Kost or Marco, probably Marco in place of Killen
At least Marco will be fresh, would bring all that knowledge playing training with top class players old has beens at fantastic training facilities.
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Very impressed with that squad...now if only we can uncover a handy right back thats convieniently been eligible to play for the AWs all along....
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Very impressed with that squad...now if only we can uncover a handy right back thats convieniently been eligible to play for the AWs all along....
Maybe Vince Lia if the Fifa agree...
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Highly unlikely Abris. Traunmeuller however...
You know we belong together...
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Paston
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Reid Nelsen SigmUnd Smith
4 6 2 18
Brown
Bertos 8 Brockie
7 McGlinchey 11
14
Wood Smeltz
13 9
12 Gleeson
5 Vicelich
3 Lochhead
16 Keat
15 Rojas
17 Barbarouses
10 Killen
I'd like to see something like this, with lots of time for Keat, Marco and Kosta. Second half to Gleeson perhaps.Oska2012-02-09 16:49:37
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Reid Nelsen SigmUnd Smith
4 6 2 18
Brown
Bertos 8 Brockie
7 McGlinchey 11
14
Wood Smeltz
13 9
12 Gleeson
5 Vicelich
3 Lochhead
16 Keat
15 Rojas
17 Barbarouses
10 Killen
I'd like to see something like this, with lots of time for Keat, Marco and Kosta. Second half to Gleeson perhaps.Oska2012-02-09 16:49:37
You know we belong together...
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Ricki sticks with what works, and for him and NZ thats three at the back.
Which will be a shame as it will probaly mean a couple of our younger players being on the bench and not starting.
Paston
Reid Nelsen SigmUnd (shouldn't start - great for NIX, but League is not the strongest)
Brockie Brown Keat Lochead
McG
Wood Smeltz
Although i suspect Vicelich will get ahead of Keat.
I would love to see the following though...
Gleeson
Brockie Reid Nelsen Smith
Marcos Keat McG Barbs
Wood Smeltz
A nice young attacking team (except Nelsen, Smeltz). But Brown will start and probaly SigmUnd as well.
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no way we should be playing jeremy brockie at right back.
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Starting XI:
Gleeson
SigmUnd, Reid, Nelsen, Smith
Brown, McGlinchey, Brockie
Rojas
Wood, Smeltz
Subs:
Paston
Lochhead
Vicelich
Bertos
Keat*
Barbarouses*
Killen*
*These substitutes should get some good game time, especially Keat. The others should get a run out too even if just the last 15-20 mins.
Gleeson
SigmUnd, Reid, Nelsen, Smith
Brown, McGlinchey, Brockie
Rojas
Wood, Smeltz
Subs:
Paston
Lochhead
Vicelich
Bertos
Keat*
Barbarouses*
Killen*
*These substitutes should get some good game time, especially Keat. The others should get a run out too even if just the last 15-20 mins.
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no way we should be playing jeremy brockie at right back.
This
What rationale is there for playing an A League striker at RB?????
Grumpy old bastard alert
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Paston
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Reid Nelsen SigmUnd Smith
4 6 2 18
Brown
Bertos 8 Brockie
7 McGlinchey 11
14
Wood Smeltz
13 9
12 Gleeson
5 Vicelich
3 Lochhead
16 Keat
15 Rojas
17 Barbarouses
10 Killen
I'd like to see something like this, with lots of time for Keat, Marco and Kosta. Second half to Gleeson perhaps.
1
Reid Nelsen SigmUnd Smith
4 6 2 18
Brown
Bertos 8 Brockie
7 McGlinchey 11
14
Wood Smeltz
13 9
12 Gleeson
5 Vicelich
3 Lochhead
16 Keat
15 Rojas
17 Barbarouses
10 Killen
I'd like to see something like this, with lots of time for Keat, Marco and Kosta. Second half to Gleeson perhaps.
This is probably closest. If we are going to play with a psuedo-DM in Brown, you've got to cover that with Nelsen and SigmUnd in the middle to allow for an attacking front sector. The widemen roles are probably the only real spots up for debate. I think if it's Brockie, he is on the right. I think Rojas is on the left purely cause he can play both wings where as none of the others can. Leo did at one point play the maverick role but those days are gone.
Grumpy old bastard alert
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no way we should be playing jeremy brockie at right back.
This
What rationale is there for playing an A League striker at RB?????
Quite right, there isnt. He has played his way in by being up front, needs to be further up.
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