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Smithy wrote:
nope - its terrible
 
1.) portrays the result in Manama as the luckiest, flukiest result of all time - and says they "should have crushed us".
2.) then talks about Bahrain as if they are terrible - from the Middle East's "football backwaters". Actually, they qualified as the top side from the Middle East. and were 5th in asia last time around as well.
3.) ok, am an hardly objective, but he portrays Elliott as past it and not up to the World Cup - even though he was comfortably our best player in south africa at confed (other than moss) and in fact showed he was one of only a few that could perform respectably against quality international sides
4.) i think mcglinchey did well and should probably start in welly, but come on, rattue has probably only watched him played 20 mins of football ever - and he's sooo much better than anyone else.
5.) he reckons bahrain lookes far more worthy world cup finalists. p!ss off. one game, in their back yard, it was a draw. they've proven nothing yet.
6.) yes, obsesses over how we will get thrashed in SA - importantly, with the suggestion that maybe we shouldnt want to be there. ridiculous and, yes, missing the point.
 
to me, it smelt of somebody who knows f all about the game and never watches it
 
I think you took offence at the slight on your friend and that is clouding the rest of your review.
 
We were competitive in Bahrain.  They were better than us.  "Should have crushed us" might be overstating the case, but they did miss at least two gilt-edged chances to score.  We had the one real opportunity, when Chris Wood was offside.
 
Agree with you insofar as Elliot was our best Confed Cup player.  However he was anonymous in Bahrain and the article makes a fair contrast between him/Brown and McGlinchy.  I think you'd struggle to find anyone who thinks McGlinchy should not start in Wellington.  So the masses are with Rattue on that one, regardless of how much of him he's watched.
 
You tie yourself in a knot with 2. and 5.  You can't on the one hand say "the All Whites are performing credibly because Bahrain are the top middle eastern team" and then in the next breath say "they've proven nothing yet, it's only one game".  Certainly over the course of the past couple of years Bahrain are probably much worthier World Cup finalists than we are.  That's inarguable.
 
All he's written is a mild counterpoint to the "wasn't it wonderful" view that has otherwise been out there.  To me it's a credible view, even if it's a bit negative.
 
rubbish smithy, he totally exaggerated the game and belittled us.  as i said, mcglinchey prob should start - but my reading of that article is that Rattue hasnt watched the all whites in years or bahrain ever. he is trying to make informed commentary about football from a position of limited knowledge - he doesnt know the game and it shows.
 
And i disagree re Simon being anonymous even if he is a mate. he doesnt f around with the ball so when he has possession its gone before the commentator mentions him. there is a lot of one touch stuff from him - and its accurate. he had a lot of touches in the weekend. 
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Rattue hasnt watched the all whites in years or bahrain ever. he is trying to make informed commentary about football from a position of limited knowledge - he doesnt know the game
 
Disagree with you about the rest but agree completely on this score.
 
I just don't think he gets it wildly wrong.
 
In saying that, how many times had you watched Bahrain prior to Sunday morning?  I know I never had.
 

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
nope - its terrible
 
1.) portrays the result in Manama as the luckiest, flukiest result of all time - and says they "should have crushed us".
2.) then talks about Bahrain as if they are terrible - from the Middle East's "football backwaters". Actually, they qualified as the top side from the Middle East. and were 5th in asia last time around as well.
3.) ok, am an hardly objective, but he portrays Elliott as past it and not up to the World Cup - even though he was comfortably our best player in south africa at confed (other than moss) and in fact showed he was one of only a few that could perform respectably against quality international sides
4.) i think mcglinchey did well and should probably start in welly, but come on, rattue has probably only watched him played 20 mins of football ever - and he's sooo much better than anyone else.
5.) he reckons bahrain lookes far more worthy world cup finalists. p!ss off. one game, in their back yard, it was a draw. they've proven nothing yet.
6.) yes, obsesses over how we will get thrashed in SA - importantly, with the suggestion that maybe we shouldnt want to be there. ridiculous and, yes, missing the point.
 
to me, it smelt of somebody who knows f all about the game and never watches it


yeh basic w**kerism. We should get yellow fever to write a weeks worth of rugby columns in return. Only fair!

The All Whites showed moments of class, and some tactical courage. Certainly weren't crushed, dominated at points and could just as easily have won as lost. By about a goal post, being what Wood was offside.


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Smithy wrote:
nope - its terrible
 
1.) portrays the result in Manama as the luckiest, flukiest result of all time - and says they "should have crushed us".
2.) then talks about Bahrain as if they are terrible - from the Middle East's "football backwaters". Actually, they qualified as the top side from the Middle East. and were 5th in asia last time around as well.
3.) ok, am an hardly objective, but he portrays Elliott as past it and not up to the World Cup - even though he was comfortably our best player in south africa at confed (other than moss) and in fact showed he was one of only a few that could perform respectably against quality international sides
4.) i think mcglinchey did well and should probably start in welly, but come on, rattue has probably only watched him played 20 mins of football ever - and he's sooo much better than anyone else.
5.) he reckons bahrain lookes far more worthy world cup finalists. p!ss off. one game, in their back yard, it was a draw. they've proven nothing yet.
6.) yes, obsesses over how we will get thrashed in SA - importantly, with the suggestion that maybe we shouldnt want to be there. ridiculous and, yes, missing the point.
 
to me, it smelt of somebody who knows f all about the game and never watches it
 
I think you took offence at the slight on your friend and that is clouding the rest of your review.
 
We were competitive in Bahrain.  They were better than us.  "Should have crushed us" might be overstating the case, but they did miss at least two gilt-edged chances to score.  We had the one real opportunity, when Chris Wood was offside.
 
Agree with you insofar as Elliot was our best Confed Cup player.  However he was anonymous in Bahrain and the article makes a fair contrast between him/Brown and McGlinchy.  I think you'd struggle to find anyone who thinks McGlinchy should not start in Wellington.  So the masses are with Rattue on that one, regardless of how much of him he's watched.
 
You tie yourself in a knot with 2. and 5.  You can't on the one hand say "the All Whites are performing credibly because Bahrain are the top middle eastern team" and then in the next breath say "they've proven nothing yet, it's only one game".  Certainly over the course of the past couple of years Bahrain are probably much worthier World Cup finalists than we are.  That's inarguable.
 
All he's written is a mild counterpoint to the "wasn't it wonderful" view that has otherwise been out there.  To me it's a credible view, even if it's a bit negative.
 


So if the Phoenix are constantly reported as 'first season wooden-spooners the Phoenix' that'll be fine with you too?

The main thing about it is the well if they get in they could get hammered, not really worth it is it angle. Like getting to the world cup means nothing, and like this team with the recent Fifa exemptions actually woulld have no possiblity of a suprise result...




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I would have done a lot for hulking Wood to have been 30cm the other way.
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I wrote in the sky thread, I believe the media is corrupt, I believe the NZRFU is putting pressure on the media to downplay any sport they deemed to be in competition with Union.

Why else would tvnz lead the sports with a story about  Hawkes bay rugby and not the All Whites.
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Wow TV 3 sport on soon - top 3 stories are Rugby, rugby , rughy - will poor Luke's ankle let him go on tour ..
grrrrr
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Stevo wrote:
For any lazy media reading - put white on the team in yellow, and you have�quite an uncanny�replay of saturday's game.
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Well if that is the case then if you replace the Yellow with White in this game, then maybe it is the prediction for the Nov 14th game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6u8fPVqAQI&feature=related

Listen to the commentators and check the type of game that it could turn out to be like. It has the ht analysis and then a fair bit of video of the game.AllWhitebelievr2009-10-14 18:43:46
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I think its more that it was an interestingly negative angle to take on what was a very positive result that leaves it all to play for in the 2nd leg.

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karori wrote:
Wow TV 3 sport on soon - top 3 stories are Rugby, rugby , rughy - will poor Luke's ankle let him go on tour ..
grrrrr
I always like to time the rugby vs the rest of sport in the entire world ratio. Its usually very terrible,and is so again tonight (though am not physically timing it tonight)
 
Yes,im weird.

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To their credit (TV3) they did have a good bit about the 'nix...
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Tegal wrote:
karori wrote:
Wow TV 3 sport on soon - top 3 stories are Rugby, rugby , rughy - will poor Luke's ankle let him go on tour ..
grrrrr
I always like to time the rugby vs the rest of sport in the entire world ratio. Its usually very terrible,and is so again tonight (though am not physically timing it tonight)
 
Yes,im weird.
 
Rugby still is the national sport by quite some distance, as big as this game is and it is massive our media will still relfect the popularity of rugby in New Zealand.

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bopman wrote:
Tegal wrote:
karori wrote:
Wow TV 3 sport on soon - top 3 stories are Rugby, rugby , rughy - will poor Luke's ankle let him go on tour ..
grrrrr
I always like to time the rugby vs the rest of sport in the entire world ratio. Its usually very terrible,and is so again tonight (though am not physically timing it tonight)
 
Yes,im weird.
 
Rugby still is the national sport by quite some distance, as big as this game is and it is massive our media will still relfect the popularity of rugby in New Zealand.
 
You really believe that..?

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brettdale wrote:
I wrote in the sky thread, I believe the media is corrupt, I believe the NZRFU is putting pressure on the media to downplay any sport they deemed to be in competition with Union.

Why else would tvnz lead the sports with a story about  Hawkes bay rugby and not the All Whites.
 
As conspiracy theories go, that's right up there. And completely false by the way.
 
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Tegal wrote:
bopman wrote:
Tegal wrote:
karori wrote:
Wow TV 3 sport on soon - top 3 stories are Rugby, rugby , rughy - will poor Luke's ankle let him go on tour ..
grrrrr
I always like to time the rugby vs the rest of sport in the entire world ratio. Its usually very terrible,and is so again tonight (though am not physically timing it tonight)
 
Yes,im weird.
 
Rugby still is the national sport by quite some distance, as big as this game is and it is massive our media will still relfect the popularity of rugby in New Zealand.
 
You really believe that..?


Yes, player numbers aside, the popularity of Rugby in terms of people following it is vastly superior to the popularity of any other sport in this country.
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Gangsta! wrote:
Tegal wrote:
bopman wrote:
Tegal wrote:
karori wrote:
Wow TV 3 sport on soon - top 3 stories are Rugby, rugby , rughy - will poor Luke's ankle let him go on tour ..
grrrrr
I always like to time the rugby vs the rest of sport in the entire world ratio. Its usually very terrible,and is so again tonight (though am not physically timing it tonight)
 
Yes,im weird.
 
Rugby still is the national sport by quite some distance, as big as this game is and it is massive our media will still relfect the popularity of rugby in New Zealand.
 
You really believe that..?


Yes, player numbers aside, the popularity of Rugby in terms of people following it is vastly superior to the popularity of any other sport in this country.
To the extent that it deserves 90% of the news coverage on one game,while every other sport in the world gets 10% ?Tegal2009-10-14 19:48:46

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Smithy wrote:
Rattue hasnt watched the all whites in years or bahrain ever. he is trying to make informed commentary about football from a position of limited knowledge - he doesnt know the game

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Disagree with you about the rest but agree completely on this score.

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I just don't think he gets it wildly wrong.

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In saying that, how many times had you watched Bahrain prior to Sunday morning?� I know I never had.

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Hmm, the general thrust of his argument is that we should consider whether it's a good thing going to the WC - that's just silly. Other major point is that the AWs need to think about more than just qualifying in Wellington- that's not just silly, it's naive. I don't think you can judge us and them util you've seen a bit more football from both sides, and he should known that

He'll never get the benefit of the doubt from me , he's generally terrible

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I'm with Smithy on this one - although I think that the tenor of the article is deliberately harsh and negative, the central, and at least to a certain extent, accurate point is that the AWs are still a long way from qualifying and from performing creditably with consistency at the highest stage.

Now, that does not mean we should stop trying, or not enjoy the ride while it lasts, however long that is, and that's where the cnut-ness of the article really strikes hard.

But if we're honest in the assessment of the first game, we were second best. By some margin. And if you disagree with that, ask yourselves this question - if it was us wearing red and them wearing white on Sunday, wouldn't we be bemoaning now how we played well enough to win 3/4-0, and just a lack of composure in front of goal cost us a deserved victory?el grapadura2009-10-14 21:13:18
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theres no arguing that. As i said above,while those points were correct,it was the angle he used them at which was rubbish.

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So we agree then.
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yes rugby is more popular in NZ than football
 
but i believe that rugby's unquestioned (and assumed to be everlasting) dominance is possibly under threat as the increasing range of sports now available offer more choice and better options for people who have skills and personalities suited to that wider range of sports
 
also NZ's ethnic mix is changing, which over time will influence sporting demographics
 
IF tv media truly represented the variety of interests out there and the relative numbers involved we would be seeing less air time for rugby and more for a range of other sports in my opinion
 
but tv media is more comfortable with the status quo as it is primarily funded by male industry heads/advertisers who come from a dying, monocultural generation
 
(rave, rave, rant, rant)
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This is a follow on from the previous one where he highlighted the difference between the easier path for this side and the '82 team.
 
WHile I think that was a fair point, we can only qualify through the route that was put in front of us.
 
At the last world cup Australia had a very similar route, Uruguay would I suspect be better than Bahrain but not worlds apart.  No-one has suggested that for aussie there was any problem with their qualifying route then.
 
So to answer his question - yes, even though they were better than us in the first leg if we qualify the ends will justify the means.  That doesn't mean that we would want this to be our way through every world cup, especially if we want to improve.  But to get to our first tournament in 27 years - hell yeah we want to qualiy!
 
I don't have a problem where he thinks that we were second best on the night - that's a given.  And I do agree that Ricki picked a team to get our best XI on the park.  But that's the natire of a 2 legged playoff where the prize is huge.  You don't get bonus points for how you qualify - that's for the 10 months leading up to the tournament!

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My problem is the assumption that we're a nation of 4 million Rugby fans.  There is an increasing number of the populace that couldn't care less about traditional sport before you even start on those that don't have an interest in Ruugby.

Unfortunately certain sections of the media can't seem to take this on board and still talk about a 'Rugby team of 4 million'.  It just gets tireseome.

As for the conspiracy theories run by the NZRFU ?  Ah, no.  A generation of sports editors still locked in to the Rugby is everything culture ?  Possibly. Conspiracy  ?  No.  A vested interest in supporting a code they have spent millions for the rights to ?  Possibly.  Conspiracy ?  No ?

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and let's get one thing right, rugby will ALWAYS be NZ's national game.  It is far far to bound up in our national and cultural identity for it ever not to be.

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james dean wrote:
and let's get one thing right, rugby will ALWAYS be NZ's national game.  We are repeatedly told it is bound up in our national and cultural identity for it ever not to be.


Fixed.

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I agree with you that we're not a nation of 4m rugby fans.  But there are still a lot more people who watch rugby and nothing else than there are people who watch any other sport with the same level of loyalty.  If you took the All Blacks out of it, maybe it would be fairly even, but the All Blacks are hugely popular - far more popular than any other sporting teams in NZjames dean2009-10-14 21:57:17

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...but it makes a huge generalisation that 4 million people care about any sports and that number as a percentage of the overall nation is decreasing at a rate of knots.

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Deaker on with Adshead, Fallon and Vicelich, watching the replay now. To much talk of 82 for me, I know what they acheieved is awesome but they have Ivan sitting there saying nothing, they should be talking about this game and the current quality of this squad.
 
Edit: Ok so they have spent all of the 2nd portion talking about the game. Ivan not the worlds most exciting character.
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Hah Agreed, Ivan dull as anything.

Well in Murray, for at least getting them on. But he explains how he only watched since half time. and then rants on about how we got completely dominated as were so lucky. Every time he asked a question, it was negative. And it was awkward, because every response that all three of them gave was resoundingly positive.

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He only saw the 2nd half?  So when he claimed on sunday that it was the first football game he woke up to watch, he actually meant he woke up at his usual time and there happened to be the game on.

NZ best sport broadcaster my asshole.  He should have watched it all if that was true.  He only know about rugby and that is it.


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Yeah Vicelish, was amazed when he said he only watched the second half. (The most expression he showed all night).

Was frustrating, how he Murray would start everything question or statement with "I don't know anything about soccer, but..." Still a fan though.


 

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scoop wrote:
Yeah Vicelish, was amazed when he said he only watched the second half. (The most expression he showed all night).

Was frustrating, how he Murray would start everything question or statement with "I don't know anything about soccer, but..." Still a fan though.


 

HE has been saying this for year.  This is he full-time job so farkin go learn about it.
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2ndBest wrote:
[HE has been saying this for year.  This is he full-time job so farkin go learn about it.
 
If you want to call 3 nights a week plus Sundays full-time then sure. But agreed, if you are going to have these guys on the show get up and watch it.

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Point take bopman.  THought he was on more than that.  if he really is NZ top sport broadcaster he should know more about football (and a lot of other sports).

But how many of us would be able to say in our jobs 'sorry boss, I don't know much about it...but I'm not going to find out the answer.
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I think if Deaker was being honest, he'd more likely say "I don't want to know anything about soccer..."
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