All Whites, Ferns, and other international teams
I can understand the logic of the FIFA 5 year rule.
It needs to be there to stop countries dishing out passports to footballers making their national team magic overnight.
But, making the 5 year rule post the age of 18 is just a nonsense. It serves no sense at all.
There must be many who have played for under 17, under 20 and under 23 teams who have never met that criteria.
There is something rotten in the state of [metaphorical] Denmark.
I know, I know, its serious!
What a total clusterfudge.
The only thing I can take solace in is that if PNG get their way and have the tournament replayed, at least we weren't in Micronesia's group. Not sure I could stand losing out on the Olympics and officially being beaten by them 3-0.
Roux - 3 Wynne - 14/15
http://content.radionetwork.co.nz/weekondemand/rad...
Pine says at about 7:20 "Wynne came to New Zealand as a very young boy....he came at the age of about 2 or 3 I believe." If you listen to Wynne talk he does have a touch of the South African accent but it doesn't sound like he came here at 14 (
).
It's not definitive but what is the source that he came here at 14/15? Google doesn't provide me anything.
In the stuff article it said he's been here for 15 years.
A lot of blame here on the OFC and general mud throwing at the OFC because we fielded a player who seemingly was ineligible under FIFA rules. Can't see where OFC are to be blamed. Exact same would happen to a nation in Europe, Asia, or wherever to a team who did that.
Edit: Of course, if it turns out he is actually eligible, game on for mud throwing!!
Roux - 3 Wynne - 14/15
http://content.radionetwork.co.nz/weekondemand/rad...
Pine says at about 7:20 "Wynne came to New Zealand as a very young boy....he came at the age of about 2 or 3 I believe." If you listen to Wynne talk he does have a touch of the South African accent but it doesn't sound like he came here at 14 (
).
It's not definitive but what is the source that he came here at 14/15? Google doesn't provide me anything.
In the stuff article it said he's been here for 15 years.
Theoretically they could have got their information from Piney and Pine is wrong.
off ABC website..
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Article 7 of the FIFA statutes relate to a player acquiring a new nationality. Under the article, either the player or a parent or grandparent needs to be born in the country they wish to represent.
If they are ineligible under the first three criteria, they can represent the country if they have lived there for five years continuously since the age of 18, making the 20-year-old Wynne too young to qualify under that clause.
Such a clause, however, would restrict many age-group players, particularly those wanting to play in the under-23 Olympic tournaments from representing a country they were not born in or had any family ties to.
Article 6 of the statutes, which applies to players who have nationality to represent more than one country, has the same criteria as Article 7, though the time limit is restricted to two years and has no age requirement.
Wynne easily meets the January 1, 1993 birth deadline to make the Olympics, indicating the eligibility issue could be related to the South African-born player's passport.
The 20-year-old Wynne has played for the senior All Whites side, as well as playing in the under-20 World Cup recently held in New Zealand.
"so what nationality is he if article 6 applies.
A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen
Impossible. Even theoretically.
This is a huge blow to Hudsons plans. He will have been making use of the Olympics to build his squad and ideas.
off ABC website..
"
Article 7 of the FIFA statutes relate to a player acquiring a new nationality. Under the article, either the player or a parent or grandparent needs to be born in the country they wish to represent.
If they are ineligible under the first three criteria, they can represent the country if they have lived there for five years continuously since the age of 18, making the 20-year-old Wynne too young to qualify under that clause.
Such a clause, however, would restrict many age-group players, particularly those wanting to play in the under-23 Olympic tournaments from representing a country they were not born in or had any family ties to.
Article 6 of the statutes, which applies to players who have nationality to represent more than one country, has the same criteria as Article 7, though the time limit is restricted to two years and has no age requirement.
Wynne easily meets the January 1, 1993 birth deadline to make the Olympics, indicating the eligibility issue could be related to the South African-born player's passport.
The 20-year-old Wynne has played for the senior All Whites side, as well as playing in the under-20 World Cup recently held in New Zealand.
"
so what nationality is he if article 6 applies.
He only has one FIFA nationality and it's South African
A lot of blame here on the OFC and general mud throwing at the OFC because we fielded a player who seemingly was ineligible under FIFA rules. Can't see where OFC are to be blamed. Exact same would happen to a nation in Europe, Asia, or wherever to a team who did that.
Edit: Of course, if it turns out he is actually eligible, game on for mud throwing!!
If Wynne is eligible, and OFC just wanted to have a party without us, there's nothing to sweat.
We'll have to play the final at another time but that wont be too big a drama.
A fan is a fan.
off ABC website..
"
Article 7 of the FIFA statutes relate to a player acquiring a new nationality. Under the article, either the player or a parent or grandparent needs to be born in the country they wish to represent.
If they are ineligible under the first three criteria, they can represent the country if they have lived there for five years continuously since the age of 18, making the 20-year-old Wynne too young to qualify under that clause.
Such a clause, however, would restrict many age-group players, particularly those wanting to play in the under-23 Olympic tournaments from representing a country they were not born in or had any family ties to.
Article 6 of the statutes, which applies to players who have nationality to represent more than one country, has the same criteria as Article 7, though the time limit is restricted to two years and has no age requirement.
Wynne easily meets the January 1, 1993 birth deadline to make the Olympics, indicating the eligibility issue could be related to the South African-born player's passport.
The 20-year-old Wynne has played for the senior All Whites side, as well as playing in the under-20 World Cup recently held in New Zealand.
"
so what nationality is he if article 6 applies.
Someone earlier said that article 6 related to where your nationality allowed you to play for 2 associations (e.g. Tahiti/France).
I think that's wrong. Doesn't he acquire the ability to represent another country once he receives NZ citizenship? Therefore, it's article 6 that applies, not 7
Normo's coming home
Maybe he has only just got his NZ passport, would that change things? What if he only held a SA passport until just before he was selected for any NZ teams?
ok , not sure if this is relevant, but England nearly called up Adnan Januzaj. They felt he had passed the residency criteria, but were tripped up on the unique rules of the home office criteria mentioned earlier regarding schooling. He only moved to England when he was 16
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c...
"While we firmly believe tonight's match should have been delayed, we will continue to do everything in our power to ensure that any final decision is only reached after a proper and fair process has been carried out. We trust that Oceania Football Confederation will change its position and conduct that proper and fair process" Martin said.
Lulz
Doesn't he acquire the ability to represent another country once he receives NZ citizenship? Therefore, it's article 6 that applies, not 7
No. FIFA have those eligibilty rules to prevent countries dishing out citizenship to footballer who have just started playing in a different country.
Unauthoritative Wikipedia has whole raft of changes over last 8 years.
Article 17 also appears relevant and this as at 2008.
http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/administration/81/10/29/circularno.1147-eligibilitytoplayforrepresentativeteams_55197.pdf
If he doesn't have dual nationality then toast me thinks.
A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen
And it is 2015, so therefore the 5 year rule can be questioned unless he arrived after July 1st.
moved here in 2010 - piney wrong
Any source? Or just general knowledge?
which means he wouldn't have been a citizen when he played for NZ last year!!! What the fudge is going on here?
friend knows someone in family - relaying
also said his father refers to moving to nz 8 month ago on facebook in nov 2010
Jesus wept.
I hate the fudgeing off season.
Mods take contr... meh.
"Phoenix till they lose"
Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion.
Genuine opinion: FTFFA
Slightly off topic, but just saw this on stuff.co.nz - Now I don't entirely trust the footballing articles that get put up on that website, but I did find this very interesting.
Stuff.co.nz understands Wynne has at least one offer of a trial at an overseas club which he plans to take up after the Pacific Games
Should he earn an overseas contract, Wynne would not spend the required five continuous years living in New Zealand after the age of 18, and would therefore not be considered a New Zealand player in the eyes of Fifa.
Could someone please verify if this would be correct?
Trial, yes not a contract offer per se, but would throw a spanner in the works looking ahead to WCQ for 2018 and beyond. Hudson would not be a happy man.
well let's see. Something big going to happen here either way (we're seriously fudgeed and someone at head office takes the hit, or world wide eligibility changes are clarified). Pretty certain aussie will have breached this and both Saido Berahino and Fabrice Muamba definitely breached it for England (although I think they were refugees).
Normo's coming home
Still 0-0. Going to extra time
Rosario Central, the All Whites, Waitakere United and the mighty Phoenix! speaker of engrish
Great game by the way...
Rosario Central, the All Whites, Waitakere United and the mighty Phoenix! speaker of engrish
so how does Tommy Smith qualify?
I think in 2009 the rule was two years
Founder
wasn't he after Fallon and the rules changed at the time Fallon changed?
the change allowed Fallon To switch as there was 21 age limit to change. Tommy came along after we qualified. The current rule was last amended in 08 iirc
Question, If one is South African and obtains permanent residence of NZ is one still not a South African, if so, then one is not “acquiring a new nationality””
Vanuatu might win this
Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet
Oceania should be shut down can you imagine if they send an island nation to the Olympics where it’s just the best 16 nations .
They do give their vote to Sepp Blatter so maybe they will keep automatic entry into the Olympics if they send a PI team to the Olympics, then again Sepp may not be there after Rio.
Best decision Australia ever made to leave Oceania and join Asia … hopefully NZ can as well …
Just as an aside this is an article when Abini was first selected to play for Australia in the U 20 squad that may help .. shows when he came to Australia he was only 1 but still needed international clearence when he was 18.
Socceroo/ Mariner / Whangarei
Question, If one is South African and obtains permanent residence of NZ is one still not a South African, if so, then one is not “acquiring a new nationality””
5 years thereafter provided you have met time criteria you secure your new nationality