Exodus Team Wellington 2010/2011

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I saw a video camera set up in the stand towards the "non-zoo" end.

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion.

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Ricki was there. As was Gouldie.

I think you'll find it is Team Welly video it for their analysis. so won't be available to the public.

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

That was one of the more enjoyable games I've watched at Newtown. Might get up next week and watch the return match in Auckland.

Would be interesting if Wellington won because that would mean that the Wellington and Auckland would represent NZ in the O League next year and Dawkins United would be out in the cold despite being this years possible representative at CWC

Grumpy old bastard alert

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

Incorrect. The only way TW can play in the O-League is to win he grand final.

The team that finishes first in the league gets 1 spot and if that team also wins the championship the 2nd placed team in the league gets the 2nd O-League spot.

A dog with a bone :)

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

nightz wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

That was one of the more enjoyable games I've watched at Newtown. Might get up next week and watch the return match in Auckland.

Would be interesting if Wellington won because that would mean that the Wellington and Auckland would represent NZ in the O League next year and Dawkins United would be out in the cold despite being this years possible representative at CWC

Incorrect. The only way TW can play in the O-League is to win he grand final.

The team that finishes first in the league gets 1 spot and if that team also wins the championship the 2nd placed team in the league gets the 2nd O-League spot.

No I think you need to re-read. I shall even bold it for you to make it easy.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

nightz wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Incorrect. The only way TW can play in the O-League is to win he grand final.

The team that finishes first in the league gets 1 spot and if that team also wins the championship the 2nd placed team in the league gets the 2nd O-League spot.

No I think you need to re-read. I shall even bold it for you to make it easy.

Thanks Vader that made it easy for me! You're talking about getting up to watch next weeks game and than say what you have in bold. I would take that to mean you are reffering to that game you just mentioned as you have not said anything about winning the championship.

Hope we do (win) and you can get up to Auckland for both games

A dog with a bone :)

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Sorry Jeff, as loath as I am to agree with Nightz, in the context of what you had written previously (even though a new paragraph was started) it seemed like what you were talking about the Waitak game.

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Sadly its one of my many flaws that I can't fix, so I have decided to embrace.

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Smithy guest speaker

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Traveller wrote:

Smithy guest speaker.

Fixed.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Awards were held last night at Molly's before the Ryan Nelsen event.

Winners:
Young Player - Richie 'Greyhound' McLay
Supporters Player - Michael Fifii (close run thing with Karl Whalen)
Players player - Michael Winsauer
Player of the season - Chris Davies
Golden Welly - Greg Draper.

Special Award for TeeDubs services to the lads from Exodus.

Good night with most then traipsing off to hear Ryan speak.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Supporters?

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I asked Greene.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

so TW mgmt want to bail and get CF to run the club. hmm

Founder

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I think the problem is that there is no management/back office, and the board is looking a little light as well.

Maybe no one willing to step up and take it on ?

Maybe NZF's new restrictions unworkable ?

Maybe no one cares and Bluemagic is right ?
Hard News2010-08-26 21:59:43

How's my driving? - Whine here

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

why not just skip ahead to what will happen in a few years anyway and have YF run TW? You guys have the money, the........enthusiasm, the.....

Well maybe you could supply the money and bring in the people with the brains and the ability to organise things.

All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

We were getting close last year. Sponsors, ground announcers, matchday commentaries, website updates, bar emptiers... gues which role Feverish stepped up for.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Hard News wrote:

board looking light? well maybe they should ask for some new board members then? so they can't afford mgmt (yet they are saying they aren't going to pay players unlike in the past)

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

New NZF rules say they can't pay players.

No one said they can't afford mgmt, just they don't currently have any.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

havin a laff.

well hire some.

tell me why CF should get involved when their members have just told them in a recent survey that they are wanting CF to carry out core business to a higher level and not put importance on peripheral activities?

Founder

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I can see why the board is chucking it in - obviously no one gives a crap about TW..

Founder

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Like I said. BlueMagic ftw.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Feverish wrote:

I can see why the board is chucking it in - obviously no one gives a crap about TW..

I think a lot of people give a crap but no one has the
time for an expensive amateur management heavy model.
If C/F take over management watch the team levies increase to cover extra costs they incur.

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Feverish wrote:

I can see why the board is chucking it in - obviously no one gives a crap about TW..

A lot more people, and a lot more clubs would have been involved over the last few years with TW but the antics of some board members as well as the attitute of the coaching staff has made this impossible.

May be this is what TW needed...." cleansing process", as for CF "taking over" the running of TW well that is another issue. CF need to get their house in order first and make sure that their number 1 priority is to look after the WN Clubs. I am not saying that they shouldn't help out with TW but lets make sure that we get this right....

CF must ensure that the WN Clubs do not become the "cash cows" so TW can achieve their goals.... the old saying...strong and viable local Clubs =strong CF = strong TW, but if the Clubs are once again are treated as cash gathering entities then I am afraid we will fail ....

The politics of not "using" local players from certain Clubs just because they were not "Member Clubs" MUST stop....Let's remember as to why TW was set up..... TO PROVIDE A "VEHICLE" FOR OUR LOCAL PLAYERS TO BE ABLE TO PLAY IN THE HIGHEST POSSIBLE COMPETION IN NZ.

Lets hope that we get it right this time...

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Da Boss wrote:

Feverish wrote:

I can see why the board is chucking it in - obviously no one gives a crap about TW..

Lets hope that we get it right this time...

There were no politics. From what I understand, everyone had the opportunity to be a feeder club for TW. Those who didnt partake made their choice. There should be no moans about losing players to other clubs or not having their players selected.
If CF do take it over, then all clubs will contribute, and all players will be eligible.
The existing feeders would probably come off better but everyone will be included.
As you say Da Boss, Lets hope we get it right this time.
What a pity transfer rules prevent it being a Phoenix reserve/youth team. (Or is that ttomorrow's headline)?

We're Forever Causing Trouble

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Hogster wrote:

Feverish wrote:

I can see why the board is chucking it in - obviously no one gives a crap about TW..

anyone at the meeting tonight? CF's proposal to get involved in TW mgmt (approved unanimously by the CF board) was pretty much shot down by the clubs that were there (and they were the 50% of clubs who were more likely to support it).

I was very surprised at how much CF seem to want to ram it down the clubs throats given a) the recent club survey which told them clubs wanted a focus on core services b) the dubiousness of the budget revenue figures (not helped by TW having no annual accounts).

Wgtn needs an NZFC side, but having CF levy clubs is not the answer in my book. There is a real risk for the clubs there which seems to have been taken lightly.

Hopefully something will be sorted (but not through a club levy). Maybe Miramar can conjure something (have TW got a coaching contract in place?)

Founder

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Feverish wrote:

Hogster wrote:

Feverish wrote:

I can see why the board is chucking it in - obviously no one gives a crap about TW..

Wgtn needs an NZFC side, but having CF levy clubs is not the answer in my book. There is a real risk for the clubs there which seems to have been taken lightly.

Hopefully something will be sorted (but not through a club levy). Maybe Miramar can conjure something (have TW got a coaching contract in place?)

Regardles of what happens now the first thing is that TW board must 'close" their accts, audited them and then resign.

I am sure that who ever wants to get involved (clubs or individulas) with TW again, they will need to start on a clean slate. no debts ......

Very hard to see this happening due to the very very tight timeframes .....we have to get it right this time....in the last 6 years the only thing they managed to do was to leave a bunch of questions unanswered and possibly some debt...

Also the new rules for the new competion are : NO PLAYER PAYMENTS....JUST EXPENSE RE-EMBURSMENTS....it will be very interstring to see how many players really stay in the competition...

As for the coaching contract..I would assume that they do have one...and that could well become a majior issue if the "licence' will be taken over by someone else apart from TW...

Look I would love to maintainthe TW concept here in WN but not in the detriment of the WN clubs (ie levies etc...)

An open invitation to the TW Board...can they please produce the original document as to which clubs and why TW was set up....and why then they change this ...I just want to see their thinking behind this...

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

da boss - you guys at Olympic have had some beefs with TW (some I agree with some I don't but that's by the by). I guess the point is though that if the clubs aren't levied then who pays? I agree though that if the clubs are paying then the focus needs to go back on what this is about - a vehicle for wellington players to play at the highest level.

Normo's coming home

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I'm pretty sure last year no clubs were levied, and (at a guess) a team featuring two All Whites and quite a few imports wasn't done on the cheap. I also had the impression that budgets were balanced although I don't actually know that for sure.

I'm a little baffled as to why the subject of levies now reappear, as it ceratinly appeared to be run as a going concern without them last season.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

part of that was surpluses in previous years HN. I think there will be a large loss for the year. Though slashing 80k off player payments will help.

Well said Da Boss. Though as far as the original concept/mandate goes -it was pretty sound. Miramar were driving it (John Cameron, Ian Wells, maybe Bruce Cullen) and were welcoming CF clubs on board.

Pity the football landsscape has changed since then (as it was rather good in the first year or two)

Feverish2010-09-02 12:40:19

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

james dean wrote:

james dean - yes we did have some "differences of opinions" but irrespective of this I would love to see TW be right upthere with the Waitakere and the Auckland City, but the reality is that we will not ...as we are already behind the 8th ball.

If the Clubs are to get behind this proposal...then I am affraid we run out of time...as we need to have a special AGM of CF (21 days...) then the clubs have to advise their members...and so on and so forth...so as you can appreciate there is only 10 days time left...before the actuall aplication/invitation needs to be signed off.

To me and that is just my personal opinion the best option for this is for an individual or a Club ( possibly a consortium of a say 3 clubs...) to take this over and run with it....To be honest I can not see them doing any worse that what the previous regime did.

Anothe huge point is that not just TW but also the other clubs/franchises must find players that will play for just expenses.....

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

If NZFC is the highest level of football competition in NZ and TW is the best team in Wellington for players to play for, why is it that so few spectators turn up to watch or support this concept?

Asking all football players to pay a levy to support TW is the easiest option but the wrong one. Parents of juniors have already been teated with contempt and disdain by NZ Football for increasing and galloping levies of over $10 per player "to support the national team". Will CF dictate the clubs and milk the kids like NZ Football? Or will CF fleece the juniors like what NZ Football has been doing?

Can CF levy all senior players to re-start the rep and fed tournaments for the development of young players?

Present TW model isn't working and turn it over to another bunch of people to have a go.

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Da Boss wrote:

As for the coaching contract..I would assume that they do have one...and that could well become a majior issue if the "licence' will be taken over by someone else apart from TW...

yeah I think anyone incl Miramar would be a bit screwed if Stu and Charlie have a contract locked down (if this is the case then this should have been something mentioned last night IMO)

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Feverish wrote:

Da Boss wrote:

As for the coaching contract..I would assume that they do have one...and that could well become a majior issue if the "licence' will be taken over by someone else apart from TW...

yeah I think anyone incl Miramar would be a bit screwed if Stu and Charlie have a contract locked down (if this is the case then this should have been something mentioned last night IMO)

Well if and that is IF the case is as we assume...that there is an existing contract in place....that will create a employment issue for the new TW board or new owner of the licence.and if that occurs who is then responsible for the payout to the contracted coaches...????????????? may be another $10 levy would sort that one as wel....

That is one of the rweasons that some of the clubs last night did vote NO... Not enough clear information....too cloudy...I was expecting a lot more clarity from the TW Chairman...but may be there is nothing really to worry about....and its just us assuming things.... That is the main reason that we should have had not only more information but that info should have been cross referenced with the current TW club members as from my understanding from last nights discussion there was not that much effective communication between them....

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

with all your wise words I'm beginning to think you should get the licence Da Boss

The 08 P&L we got last night did not even match that submitted to the Companies Office. There is 40k of WCC money sliding round from yr to yr. Add in the uncertainty over last yrs/ this years Oceania money + WC player bonus + TW member equity (if any) and I dont see how the clubs could say yes. Complete lack of info/discussion.

Feverish2010-09-02 16:55:33

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Feverish wrote:

with all your wise words I'm beginning to think you should get the licence Da Boss

The 08 P&L we got last night did not even match that submitted to the Companies Office. There is 40k of WCC money sliding round from yr to yr. Add in the uncertainty over this years Oceania money + WC player bonus + TW member equity (if any) and I dont see how the clubs could say yes. Complete lack of info/discussion.

Wise words ...naaaa its just that I dont want to see any more financial strain on any Clubs. It is bad and hard enough that we somehow try and keep them going..."

To be honest if Olympic had the $$ and the financial backing of "old ......I would have said yes...but times are tough .....it wil be great to see something sorted...but it needs to be done soon...and siting around a round tabe and talking about it ....its not going to happen....the (TW Board) they need to get off their a**es and go and see Miramar and hopefully something will get done.

CF need to understand that they are there for the WN CLUBS. and TW is not a WN CLUB, we will support it to the best of each clubs' ability as a rep team.

Anyway thats just me...and yes it may be an onesided view but we are all entitled to have an opinion...good or bad....

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I see from the draw that TW have not gone back to playing their games at times that suited the crowds the first 3 seasons. As per last year they are playing their home games at either 2pm or 3pm on a summers afternoon.

I guess they must be happy with the crowds they got by playing at that time last season

A dog with a bone :)

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over 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

not sure about the TW board bailing cos the league is getting watered down through non-payment. Stu Kelly to City to join Mulligan. Talk of a big money tug of war for Clapham. Clubs are still throwing the cash.

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