Hawke's Bay United

article doesn't say who got third HBU goal?

Facundo Babero

sweet thanks. pissed I missed it now - but the weather was complete shark

I've been trying to find that out on twitter for the last couple of hours. Saul got the first two eh?

think so.

just saw twitter going off about Angel. Sounds like the officials didn't do a very good job there?

here's a brief summary

2 minutes Saul Halpin nets from spot HBU 1-0

10 minutes Ben Harris equalises 1-1

21 minutes Halpin makes it 2-1

45+1 Tom Jackson equalises half time 2-2

During 1st half Angell had a bit of "banter" with Team Wellington bench and (after a bit) was told by 4th official to settle down

5 mins into 2nd half Tom Jackson scored from the spot TW 3-2

In discussion over whether or not it was a pen (it was), Angell given final warning by 4th official

66th minute a tackle from Chettleburgh in front of the dugout incenses both benches, TW claiming it was 2 footed and over the ball, Angell claiming it was OK. result Chettleburgh booked and Angell sent off

Angell went to the area in front of the changing rooms so was off the field, he continued to both talk and pass notes to his players (subs). The ref pulled him up and told him to go upstairs (to which someone upstairs said we don't want him!), he disappeared for a bit but then was back.

with about 10 to go HBU's Facundo Babero made it 3-3

Ref then had more words with Angell - basically said if he didn't do as he was told HBU would be losing the game

He retreated to the changing room after this

Given the conditions it was a entertaining game of football (even without the Angell sideshow)

He was passing out instructions by passing notes along after being kicked out apparently. 

He got kicked out of one of our home matches too. Can't deny his passion for the game, but hopefully this won't have any negative lasting effects.

I don't know what else a referee is supposed to do? Walk him up to the clubrooms and handcuff him to a radiator? They sent him away repeatedly and he kept coming back to pass notes. 

should have phoned them

I do think they could have threatened him with the loss a bit earlier. The damage had been done by the time they did threaten it with 2 minutes to go. 

So when Jose Mourinho gets sent to the standards can't tell me that he is not communicating with his bench by phone, so passing notes isn't really any different. but it is a bit of a piss take. 

The issue is the size of Davey F, when Angell got sent he left the field of play (ie the grass) but stood in front of the changing rooms so it was easy for him to pass notes and also speak to his team.

after a while the ref did tell him to go upstairs, but he didn't and this is what may get him a big ban

Coaches getting sent off is a bad look. It doesn't help the team. Usually distracts them and the game gets even worse. HB finish was an exception to this. As a coach you are most effective on the sidelines encouraging players and making subs and using your footballing brain. Getting sent off makes you look like a boof head idiot every single time. Angell has anger management issues. He has acted like this for some time now. HB franchise need to sort it internally. The public even expect him to blow every game. Not a good look for domestic football. The players language and moaning is already embarrassing as it is.

Classic comments in the Hawkes Bay local rag from their captain. He thinks that the referees aren't "mature enough" to deal with Angell. Oh dear. When your match report has 21 paragraphs on how your coach is playing up, I don't really think it's the referee's fault.

Hawkes Bay Today

I guess to be fair he was still doing all of that after being sent off. He just had to do it via passing notes and repeatedly ignoring referees instructions. 

Its everyone elses fault but his. 

I used to say that when I was an active alcoholic. Its quite typical behaviour of certain personality types.

See Wenger sent to the stands this morning and had a run in with 4th official. What does Angell say that gets him in trouble? Obviously questions decisions but what is he actually saying. 

If I were to have a complete guess, it probably something along the lines of

'fudgey mcfudgewittery fudgehole arse cod bollocks'

That alone is probably not an issue but when you say it at a million decibels with 20 pax and 30 kids around, its a bit of an issue. 

Emirates, you could probably scream in the dugout and the guy next to you would not hear it.

before he was 'sent off' someone tweeted that he was averaging an F bomb every 10 seconds. That's clearly exaggeration, but gives you an idea as to what he said that may have got him sent off. He apparently also entered the field of play after a tackle. 

After reading on the stuff on social media about this latest episode, I find it amusing that once upon a time 'passion' used to have a positive meaning when talking about football and used to stand for admirable qualities. Now it's a word which is trotted out as an excuse for people acting like imbeciles. 

here's a bit more in depth report than by brief summary above

Completely different

Wenger was sent to the stands for protesting a decision, very similar.  The push came when he was in the tunnel after already being sent to the stands and the 4th official was telling him to leave the tunnel, as it has come through the wire at some stage over the last day.

Law 12

Team officials 

The coach and other officials indicated on the team list (with the exception of players or substitutes) are deemed to be team officials. 

If a team official enters the field of play: 

• the referee must stop play (although not immediately if the team official does not interfere with play or if the advantage can be applied) 

• the referee must have him removed from the field of play and if his behaviour is irresponsible, the referee must expel him from the field of play and its immediate surroundings 

• if the referee stops the match, he must restart play with a dropped ball from the position of the ball when the match was stopped, unless play was stopped inside the goal area, in which case the referee drops the ball on the goal area line parallel to the goal line at the point nearest to where the ball was located when play was stopped

Mr Edge has it down pat at DF Park Leaves field of play and changes to a std top and sits behind dug out. Only communicates quietly to Assistant and not directly to players.  

Edit: can't quickly see restriction on instructions to the bench but did find a report of an expelled coaches cellphone being confiscated.

Back to work enough fun for today.

Always fault of the referee no matter what call he makes.

ahaha 

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/hawkes-bay-today/sport/n...

Angell's sharkhouse behaviour aside I wonder what Patrick based his assessment that he probaby got the job because he is English?

It seems to me HB have done ok over recent years on a fraction of the budget of some of the other Franchises.

Is there an over representation of English coaches in NZ? Probably. How many of these coaches are long term residents? I don't really know. But I have yet to see any NZ Football coachng courses saying NZer's need not apply. 

Despite what you may think Patrick, coaches and players from the UK, on balance, have brought a hell of a lot to the game in NZ and continue to do so. 

yeah think Patrick got a bit carried away with that one. But the rest of it about his behaviour was spot on. 

Be interested in stats to back that up...

Certainly a number of our prominent coaches have been English, and have made valid contributions.

But it's also true that we hire a number of coaches (and players) out of Britain from quite low levels of the game and give them quite significant responsibilities. That's a product of our backwateryness, our colonial history, and our immigration policies. But it is still a truth.

To claim that "on balance" those have "brought a hell of a lot to the game" you'd have to do some analysis that compared the few who have made significant contributions (Paul Ifill is a recent example) and who tend to be more well known with the masses who have done very little (except take money out of the game).

I don't know that there can be any clear conclusion from that analysis.

I reckon what Patrick said is defensible in as much as Angel being an ex-pat more than likely gave him greater credibility (and thus more employability) as a football coach when he applied for his current (and indeed most) role(s) in football in NZ.

But I don't know if he's actually good coach or a bad coach.

Agreed Smithy. My "on balance"  was nothing more than a gut feeling, but I could probably start rattling off a pretty large list who have made significant contributions at a very high level and also a list of those who have proven to be little more than oxygen thieves.  

In addition to the players and coaches of course is a huge number who have made significant contributions as administrators at all levels of the game.

Did Angells accent get him a foot in the door? Maybe? I have no idea what level of  coaching certifiction he may or may not have, which is of course another reason he may have gotten a foot in the door. The results achieved by HB under his watch would tend to indicte he is no mug in regards to coaching which is backed up by comments from Ifill and others, even though he has aa tendancy to act like an absolute Pok Chop at times.

The same argument of course could apply to those who turn up with any accent from a "footblling nation". A Spaniard who talks a good game is probably just as likely to get a foot in the door.

I haven't bother googling it, but from memory, Angel was employed in Manawatu as a development officer or something and then made the switch to Central Football and moved to Napier for that job. Both he and  Jonathan Gould were working for Central Football hen , I think angel was Gould's boss. He had quite a few years in that development role that didn't involve coaching HBU, I think his appointment came about when Central Football took a more hand son approach with the franchise and Angel ended up filling both roles. He might still be doing that. Without really knowing or being involved any more, I'd think Angel pretty much ran Central Football in an operational sense, might still do. So I don't think he got the job just because he was a Pom, he has a bit of credibility in HB football and did so before he got the job. Some might not know that he also played for Everton and was a prolific goal scorer in the lower English leagues for some years, he's no slouch in footballing terms.

Pretty sure he was reserve team coach at Bolton when the were a prem team and also work under Harry Redknapp at Portsmouth as Reserve team coach, althought i dont think he is a fan of Harry. Think possibly was involved with a Welsh age group side at some stage as well. Wouldn't think there are  to many other coaches in NZ that would have worked at similar clubs, but then agian i maybe wrong.

4 matches for both Angell and Chettleburgh

By the wording in the NZF it seems like Angell hasn't been punished for continually returning to the field to communicate with his subs. Just for abusing the refs.

how does someone who gets a straight red card for "violent conduct" get 2 games while someone who uses abusive language get 4 games, is it just me or does that seem back to front?

Wiki page Quite an interesting read.

Difference here (in the discplinary code) is vs player and vs official.