I have a job, I can't travel all over the country every weekend to watch TW away. I can however make home games.
Ah yeah,I forgot you hold that deranged view. Let's not get into that again.
I don't want to get into the above argument or discussion. However ive been thinking...What Phoenix players would make Auckland City's lineup? Thoughts?Id possibly say Durrante for Berlanga , Bertos for Coombes and Greenacre for Tade. Apart from those 3 i don't think the others would make the starting lineup.Would love to see Auckland City in the A-league. Such a well balanced side and deadly in flank positions and going forward.
Why would ACFC ever want to go into the A-League?
No CWC no Oceania Champs League they can/are achieving far more now than the Phoenix ever can!! (unless FFA change rules on them entering ACL of course)
Id take SigmUnd back to ACFC any day
Greenacre is useless
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Jordy Bean your probably right in what you say and the standard is poor but it is a higher recognised competition world wide. However i agree CWC is valuable.
SigmUnd is a liability and players don't like him. He wouldn't fit back in at City.
Appreciate your reply.
SigmUnd is a liability and players don't like him. He wouldn't fit back in at City.
Appreciate your reply.
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Thats a big call about SigmUnd!!
Cant agree with you at all on that
He was a quality player when at ACFC
and was always a decent bloke too
I cant imagine that 3 years in Wellington has changed
him that much despite the arrogance of the club he plays for
Cant agree with you at all on that
He was a quality player when at ACFC
and was always a decent bloke too
I cant imagine that 3 years in Wellington has changed
him that much despite the arrogance of the club he plays for
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And thats the funny part. Because SigmUnd played at ACFC, he is ok... The rest by definition are shyte... Siggy was a Canty player until you guys started paying him. See how the hypocrisy works? I could add the argument about players at the Phoenix that would play in Auckland but shooting at fish in a barrel is too easy.
I'd actually be more inclined to go the other way and ask which ACFC players would make the Phoenix lineup. Before anyone at ACFC says Mulligan - been there done that. Failed. Oddly though, he is the best player in the Premiership I think and stands out quite considerably so. I guess that must make him quality because he is so good at Premiership level but not so anywhere else.
Jeff Vader2011-11-01 01:05:50
I'd actually be more inclined to go the other way and ask which ACFC players would make the Phoenix lineup. Before anyone at ACFC says Mulligan - been there done that. Failed. Oddly though, he is the best player in the Premiership I think and stands out quite considerably so. I guess that must make him quality because he is so good at Premiership level but not so anywhere else.
Jeff Vader2011-11-01 01:05:50
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Yep, that Paul Ifill guy sure is sh*t. He might make Waikato (but probably wouldn't fit into Edge's style :P) or Otago, but no chance of making the Auckland team.
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And thats the funny part. Because SigmUnd played at ACFC, he is ok... The rest by definition are shyte... Siggy was a Canty player until you guys started paying him. See how the hypocrisy works? I could add the argument about players at the Phoenix that would play in Auckland but shooting at fish in a barrel is too easy.I'd actually be more inclined to go the other way and ask which ACFC players would make the Phoenix lineup. Before anyone at ACFC says Mulligan - been there done that. Failed. Oddly though, he is the best player in the Premiership I think and stands out quite considerably so. I guess that must make him quality because he is so good at Premiership level but not so anywhere else.
I think you will find that Signund moved to Auckland after a work work promotion but once again Jeff dont let the truth get in the way of your proganda!
As for players either club would like from the other
Id go SigmUnd, Bertos , Durante and maybe Brown that id like at ACFC Ifill aint fit or in form but if he was he'd be more than useful
As for ACFC players good enough for Wellington and/or A-League
Spoonley
Vicelich
Hogg
Andreu (based on level played before havent seen enough of him yet to say for sure)
Exposito
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Four players Wellington should take for a trial:
Exposito - FW (age 29)
Andreu - MF (age 28)
Milne - MF (age 19)
Hogg - DF (age 21)
Auckland has no chance of holding onto these Spanish boys (too expensive?), and it would be good for Andrew Milne and Ian Hogg to develop in a professional environment.
chris.acfc2011-11-01 09:13:46
Exposito - FW (age 29)
Andreu - MF (age 28)
Milne - MF (age 19)
Hogg - DF (age 21)
Auckland has no chance of holding onto these Spanish boys (too expensive?), and it would be good for Andrew Milne and Ian Hogg to develop in a professional environment.
chris.acfc2011-11-01 09:13:46
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Haven't had a chance to see the Spanish two yet but Hogg and Milne are decent Kiwi prospects and I agree it would be great for them to be in a full time environment.
On other points:
Siggy did move to Auckland with work.
Just to use him as an example though, he was dominating the NZFC when he got tapped up to come to Wellington. When he arrived he was carrying a few extra kilos, and by his own admission was miles off the pace and quality of A League football. That he got to where he is now is a tribute to his hard work and ability.
Remember that when you're looking at ASB Premiership players and comparing them to A League players.
Smithy2011-11-01 09:25:03Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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Muscat > any ASBP player.
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Also, just out of interest and totally unrelated to the current HAL/ASBP debate - what do you ACFC fans think of Emi?
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Four players Wellington should take for a trial:
Exposito - FW (age 29)
Andreu - MF (age 28)
Milne - MF (age 19)
Hogg - DF (age 21)
Auckland has no chance of holding onto these Spanish boys (too expensive?), and it would be good for Andrew Milne and Ian Hogg to develop in a professional environment.
Exposito - FW (age 29)
Andreu - MF (age 28)
Milne - MF (age 19)
Hogg - DF (age 21)
Auckland has no chance of holding onto these Spanish boys (too expensive?), and it would be good for Andrew Milne and Ian Hogg to develop in a professional environment.
If they wanted $1 to play for you that should be too expensive.
Allegedly
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I don't want to get into the above argument or discussion. However ive been thinking...What Phoenix players would make Auckland City's lineup? Thoughts?Id possibly say Durrante for Berlanga , Bertos for Coombes and Greenacre for Tade. Apart from those 3 i don't think the others would make the starting lineup.Would love to see Auckland City in the A-league. Such a well balanced side and deadly in flank positions and going forward.
Why would ACFC ever want to go into the A-League?
No CWC no Oceania Champs League they can/are achieving far more now than the Phoenix ever can!! (unless FFA change rules on them entering ACL of course)
Id take SigmUnd back to ACFC any day
Greenacre is useless
You'd also lose your source of funding, while at the same time have to pay your players (assuming your a good little amateur side and don't do it already). It can't happen without someone funding it, and FFA approval.
Out of interest, if ACFC did become an A league team, would you still support them?
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Agree Exposito and Vicelich would easily fit aswel as Hogg but ive heard CMM are interested in Hogg after his performance in the pre season fixture.
Milne hasnt shown enough yet i dont believe ,Andreu i have not seen but his CV is impressive.
SigmUnd was not liked, always moaned at his own players on the field and not popular in the dressing room. Also slow as a wet week. Ifil would be good for Auckland City though.
Cheers
SigmUnd was not liked, always moaned at his own players on the field and not popular in the dressing room. Also slow as a wet week. Ifil would be good for Auckland City though.
Cheers
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I don't want to get into the above argument or discussion. However ive been thinking...What Phoenix players would make Auckland City's lineup? Thoughts?Id possibly say Durrante for Berlanga , Bertos for Coombes and Greenacre for Tade. Apart from those 3 i don't think the others would make the starting lineup.Would love to see Auckland City in the A-league. Such a well balanced side and deadly in flank positions and going forward.
Why would ACFC ever want to go into the A-League? No CWC no Oceania Champs League they can/are achieving far more now than the Phoenix ever can!! (unless FFA change rules on them entering ACL of course) Id take SigmUnd back to ACFC any day Greenacre is useless
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No
Still doing the amateur thing eh!!
Whatever problem you lot have with how ACFC operate still doesnt alter the fact that they achieve far more than Wellington ever will
or can and do more for the other ASBP clubs than Wellington ever will and thats what pisses you off about them they win and represent NZ on the world stage while your mob struggle to winthe odd game in Australia
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In that case:
The City for the A-League campaign starts here.
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It doesn't actually bother me. In fact I and others support Auckland whenever they go to the cwc. It can only be good for NZF if they do well. So I'm not sure what your point is.
I can support both. The nzfc sides do the good work while the Phoenix bring the game out of local parks and gives it to the masses (general public). The Phoenix don't need a side full of kiwis to fulfill it's purpose,an nzfc side does.
Both have value to NZF.
I can support both. The nzfc sides do the good work while the Phoenix bring the game out of local parks and gives it to the masses (general public). The Phoenix don't need a side full of kiwis to fulfill it's purpose,an nzfc side does.
Both have value to NZF.
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^ agree with this, two seperate competitions doing different things for NZ footy, if ACFC wants to be in the a-league then let the campaigning begin, then we'll see how good the team really is.
Queenslander 3x a year.
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No Phil
What pisses everyone off is your dogged attitude that the Phoenix are all things evil and ACFC are all things righteous and holy and yet when many hypocracies are exposed in your arguments, you just fire back with more rubbish rather than admit your foolishness. In effect, you bring the distain because of your attitude.
As I said earlier, if you stopped spouting off about how righteous and holy ACFC are, you might find other people will jump on board the ACFC bandwagon in seeing it for what it is - an overachieving well run football club in a backwater footballing country.
Essentially thats why I take pot shots at your lot, because of you and attitude. Its just too easy.
Grumpy old bastard alert
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No Phil
What pisses everyone off is your dogged attitude that the Phoenix are all things evil and ACFC are all things righteous and holy and yet when many hypocracies are exposed in your arguments, you just fire back with more rubbish rather than admit your foolishness. In effect, you bring the distain because of your attitude.
As I said earlier, if you stopped spouting off about how righteous and holy ACFC are, you might find other people will jump on board the ACFC bandwagon in seeing it for what it is - an overachieving well run football club in a backwater footballing country.
Essentially thats why I take pot shots at your lot, because of you and attitude. Its just too easy.
Jeff i do not want to enter your argument with the above. But i disagree with your statement that Auckland City is an overachieving club.
Poor sides can over achieve, good sides should achieve and thats what Auckland City have done. They have worked hard and recruited well and on n off the park they are organised. Their success is a result of their effort and quality along with ambition.
Cheers
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Think it was meant more as a compliment. An amateur side competing so well in the cwc is certainly overachieving.
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I am a big supporter of ACFC and support them whenever they are representing the NZFC and NZ overseas. I also think they are a very well run club.
But let's cut through some bullsh*t here. There is one major factor in their success that overrides all others and that is their ability to consistently extract in the region of $450k per annum in funding from the Trillion Trust (that goes up to around $700k per annum if you include their sister club Central United). ACFC and Waitakere United are way out in front of every other NZFC franchise on this score, receiving approximately double the amount of community trust funding of the next closest franchise (I might post some numbers later if I can be bothered).
ACFC obviously have a very close and rewarding relationship with the Trillion Trust. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, nor I am saying that any of that money goes towards paying players to play. I do think that it is very interesting, however, that since 2005 ACFC have only ever had 2 applications declined by Trillion, and they were both in the last year. Anyone who has ever been involved in applying for community trust funding knows that is a simply outstanding record. And it's not as if the Trillion Trust aren't declining lots of applications from lots of other worthy looking applicants, because they are.
My overall point here is that while what ACFC have achieved is very impressive anyone who thinks this has been achieved on a level playing field is just absolutely blind. ACFC have a lot to thank the Trillion Trust (and the gamblers who put money into their machines) for.
Sources: Trillion Trust website and Societies.govt.nz website
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Think it was meant more as a compliment. An amateur side competing so well in the cwc is certainly overachieving.
ok maybe it was a compliment. But hardly an amateur side when they train 5 times a week and play a game leaving one day off. However they have amateur status as such. no argument.
cheers
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Having a job to pay the bills and still finding time to train 5 times per week is commitment.
Wonder why some don't pack it in and play proffesionally rather than trying to juggle a job and football,since apparently most of the squad is better than the Phoenix.
Seems an odd choice to make. If they got paid to play they could train 5 times a week,without also having to spend the rest of their time working a job.
Someone should point this out to them.
Wonder why some don't pack it in and play proffesionally rather than trying to juggle a job and football,since apparently most of the squad is better than the Phoenix.
Seems an odd choice to make. If they got paid to play they could train 5 times a week,without also having to spend the rest of their time working a job.
Someone should point this out to them.
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Success at CWC would probably pay a few bills tegal...and atleast they know they are getting their money unlike the Phoenix players at times.
Most are probably quite content with their daily lifestyle knowing that they get to attend a tournament that many pros dont get a chance to play at. Some do it for the love of the game and for their mates. Could be a factor why they are successful at both national and international level.
Cheers
Most are probably quite content with their daily lifestyle knowing that they get to attend a tournament that many pros dont get a chance to play at. Some do it for the love of the game and for their mates. Could be a factor why they are successful at both national and international level.
Cheers
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I'm sure they're just playing for the pride in the shirt, and don't even worry about the money.
They are amateur footballers after all.
They are amateur footballers after all.
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Worry about what money? Dogged amateurs. Corinthian if you will.
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Think it was meant more as a compliment. An amateur side competing so well in the cwc is certainly overachieving.
ok maybe it was a compliment. But hardly an amateur side when they train 5 times a week and play a game leaving one day off. However they have amateur status as such. no argument.
cheers
It was a compliment. They perform well. You can not deny what they have done at CWC and O League, and their build up this year. HOWEVER
They are technically an amatuer side but its quite well known that these players are paid despite the denials to the contrary. I would have have a ton more respect for ACFC if they just cut through the crap and owned up that they pay their players and their sole goal is to win at the highest level. Instead we get this guts and glory story about developing grassroots NZ football 'for the love of the game, salad and a powerade'. The players that come in even owned up to getting paid (read 3 or 4 pages back) and I guess they will say that until someone gives them a memo telling them to spout the company line about coaching. I was talking with a Dad of a kid at Waitakere getting $100 win bonus and $10k lump at the end of the season and he is only a school kid. If thats the going rate, then what do the players more senior get? The kid was not shy in admitting that as well. If they can get it, good on them and I do not begrudge them that, but tlets call it was it is. A professional club in disguise whose sole goal is winning, not developing NZ grassroots talent because they are the torch bearer.
Again, I come back to the same conclusions and no one has said anything to refute it. These quality Spanish imports (and All Whites, fringe or otherwise) are here to be big fish in a small pond, get a wad of cash for very few games, CWC and 'coach some kids'. I should be able to get at least that much of an admission from an ACFC knitter.
Grumpy old bastard alert
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I am a big supporter of ACFC and support them whenever they are representing the NZFC and NZ overseas. I also think they are a very well run club.
[QUOTE=Jeff Vader] [snip]HOWEVER They are technically an amatuer side but its quite well known that these players are paid despite the denials to the contrary. I would have have a ton more respect for ACFC if they just cut through the crap and owned up that they pay their players and their sole goal is to win at the highest level. Instead we get this guts and glory story about developing grassroots NZ football 'for the love of the game, salad and a powerade'. The players that come in even owned up to getting paid (read 3 or 4 pages back) and I guess they will say that until someone gives them a memo telling them to spout the company line about coaching. I was talking with a Dad of a kid at Waitakere getting $100 win bonus and $10k lump at the end of the season and he is only a school kid. If thats the going rate, then what do the players more senior get? The kid was not shy in admitting that as well. If they can get it, good on them and I do not begrudge them that, but tlets call it was it is. A professional club in disguise whose sole goal is winning, not developing NZ grassroots talent because they are the torch bearer.Again, I come back to the same conclusions and no one has said anything to refute it. These quality Spanish imports (and All Whites, fringe or otherwise) are here to be big fish in a small pond, get a wad of cash for very few games, CWC and 'coach some kids'. I should be able to get at least that much of an admission from an ACFC knitter.
But let's cut through some bullsh*t here. There is one major factor in their success that overrides all others and that is their ability to consistently extract in the region of $450k per annum�in funding from the Trillion Trust (that goes up to around $700k per annum if you include their sister club Central United). ACFC and Waitakere United are way out in front of every other NZFC franchise on this score, receiving approximately double the amount of community trust funding of the next closest franchise (I might post some numbers later if I can be bothered).
ACFC obviously have a very close and rewarding relationship with the Trillion Trust. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with that, nor I am saying that any of that money goes towards paying players to play. I do think that it is very interesting, however, that since 2005 ACFC have only ever had 2 applications declined by Trillion, and they were both in the last year. Anyone who has ever been involved in applying for community trust funding knows that is a simply outstanding record. And it's not as if the Trillion Trust aren't declining lots of applications from lots of other worthy looking applicants, because they are.
My overall point here is that while what ACFC have achieved is very impressive anyone who thinks this has been achieved on a level playing field is just absolutely blind. ACFC have a lot to thank the Trillion Trust (and the gamblers who put money into their machines)�for.
Sources: Trillion Trust website and Societies.govt.nz website
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[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Jeff Vader] [snip]HOWEVER They are technically an amatuer side but its quite well known that these players are paid despite the denials to the contrary. I would have have a ton more respect for ACFC if they just cut through the crap and owned up that they pay their players and their sole goal is to win at the highest level. Instead we get this guts and glory story about developing grassroots NZ football 'for the love of the game, salad and a powerade'. The players that come in even owned up to getting paid (read 3 or 4 pages back) and I guess they will say that until someone gives them a memo telling them to spout the company line about coaching. I was talking with a Dad of a kid at Waitakere getting $100 win bonus and $10k lump at the end of the season and he is only a school kid. If thats the going rate, then what do the players more senior get? The kid was not shy in admitting that as well. If they can get it, good on them and I do not begrudge them that, but tlets call it was it is. A professional club in disguise whose sole goal is winning, not developing NZ grassroots talent because they are the torch bearer.Again, I come back to the same conclusions and no one has said anything to refute it. These quality Spanish imports (and All Whites, fringe or otherwise) are here to be big fish in a small pond, get a wad of cash for very few games, CWC and 'coach some kids'. I should be able to get at least that much of an admission from an ACFC knitter.
Everything said the way it is. I'm sick of ACFC folk glossing over what is actually going on up there. Good from you both.TopLeft072011-11-01 20:43:31
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Actually Aucklnd City very rarely comment. Once upon a time Uli Steleike used to post all their press releases but he's gone to ground.
Some of their fans and volunteers comment but none should be taken as the word of the club.
Some of their fans and volunteers comment but none should be taken as the word of the club.
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Sorry I missed the word "folk" in there. Folk - fans/knitters etc.
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Maybe Jordybean or Greyhound could at least answer these questions:
What does ACFC spend the approx. $450k per annum funding received from Trillion Trust on? Is any of it paid to ACFC players for coaching? If so, how much and who are they coaching? (It's just that I can't find any reference on the ACFC site to delivery of coaching programmes).
Also, ACFC's accounts for the year ended June 2010 (the year to June 2011 is not available yet) show that they spent $743k on personnel expenses. That's a massive sum. What was it for? Are any payments to ACFC players included in that? If so, what was the original funding source and what were the payments for?
What does ACFC spend the approx. $450k per annum funding received from Trillion Trust on? Is any of it paid to ACFC players for coaching? If so, how much and who are they coaching? (It's just that I can't find any reference on the ACFC site to delivery of coaching programmes).
Also, ACFC's accounts for the year ended June 2010 (the year to June 2011 is not available yet) show that they spent $743k on personnel expenses. That's a massive sum. What was it for? Are any payments to ACFC players included in that? If so, what was the original funding source and what were the payments for?
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Actually Aucklnd City very rarely comment. Once upon a time Uli Steleike used to post all their press releases but he's gone to ground.
Some of their fans and volunteers comment but none should be taken as the word of the club.
Some of their fans and volunteers comment but none should be taken as the word of the club.
And they don't because they know that if they did, the whole charade would be up.
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Jeff are you really that stupid and naive to believe everything read on a forum?
As for how ACFC spends there money i have no idea but id imagine
that the 2 clubs that compete in the O-League would have far larger expenses than the teams that dont
As for Waitak kid getting 10k you've either been misled or your just talking sh*te and stirring
he could probably get that IF they win the O-League as some of the prizemoney does go to the players
As for how ACFC spends there money i have no idea but id imagine
that the 2 clubs that compete in the O-League would have far larger expenses than the teams that dont
As for Waitak kid getting 10k you've either been misled or your just talking sh*te and stirring
he could probably get that IF they win the O-League as some of the prizemoney does go to the players
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And if only terminator spent as much time looking at ACFC site as he does on gaming trust sites he might just find numerous stories re coaching clinics by ACFC players but then what else can one expect from a bitter man hiding behind a false name on a forum
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Good too see you've got your ass in the air mate at least we can hear the sh*te you're talking then!!
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