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No habla Espanol - the NZFC bitch fight

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Moss and Gleeson will most likely go to World Cup 2014.

Gleeson and Marinovic will most likely get the gloves for the 2012 Olympic games.
Spoonley and Marinovic (or Imray) should be given the gloves for the 2012 OFC Nations Cup. The best becomes the third keeper for NZ.chris.acfc2011-11-08 13:15:23
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Does Spoonley want to go further ahead? I know he is doing a law degree so I can fully respect that taking priority and good on him too for thinking about life after football (or maybe football will become 2nd best) but once that is done, does he want to be 'the man'. Gleeson is playing MLS so on league reputation alone, you would suspect he would get the nod as the 3rd.
Moss is number 1 and clearly so. You have to ask with age and injury how much longer Paston will be around. He is year to year at the Phoenix for what its worth and keepers tend to last a bit longer in years that outfielders but for the purposes of development, then it might pay to give Paston the DCM for the All Whites and develop the next two. Whether thats 2 of the 3 mentioned above. I don't know Marinovic so... I don't think Imray is eligible for NZ yet?

Grumpy old bastard alert

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From http://www.fifa.com/clubworldcup/news/newsid=1539281/index.html:
In bidding to repeat their 2009 heroics, Auckland City�s players have been training every day for over a month, and the results speak for themselves, with four wins from as many matches. Those victories have included a 3-1 friendly win over professional opponents, Australia�s Central Coast Mariners, with Auckland�s players dedicating themselves to a demanding schedule despite full-time professional and study commitments.

�Some of our boys have had university exams and there are guys who work full-time in our squad,� explained Mulligan. �But as a squad we get on together and support each other � we�re a tight group. Although we play in an amateur competition, we have a lot of players with professional experience � our mentality is very strong.�
chris.acfc2011-11-08 17:05:45
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3-1 win for city over waitakere own goals x2 and David Mulligan got the third whilst Ross McKenzie scored for the westies

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Thoughts on the game...

Poor first half by both teams,  both sides were giving the ball away cheaply and wasn't much happening in the attacking third. 3 scrappy goals made it a game at halftime. Second half was slightly better, City had large amounts of possession but at times didn't get an end product, becoming very frustrating to watch even for the hardcore fans. Waitakere did ok but never looked like scoring.
Refereeing today was poorest ive seen in this country for a long time, infact it was appalling. Referee strutted around like he had a chip on his shoulder too.

Hope City improve a little bit, i know 3 points is what you want at the end of the day but football isnt pretty to watch...boring at times. I prefer last seasons approach.

Cheers


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What game were you watching? City were clearly the better side and Waitakere could get nothing done up front, through the middle or out in the wide channels. Ref made no difference to it either. If thats poor, you must be part of the knitting circle and not watch A League refs who are generally horrible.

I'm the first to bag them for what they are but they were so much the better side today..


Grumpy old bastard alert

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Same game as you Jeff...you said waitak couldnt get anything upfront...i said that they never looked like scoring...similar thoughts one would think. Yes City were the better side. But talking to City fans after the game and majority said it was one of our worst displays theyve seen for a long time. Shows how bad Waitak really were when City were below par and still picked up 3 points.

Cheers
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chris.acfc wrote:
Moss and Gleeson will most likely go to World Cup 2014.

Gleeson and Marinovic will most likely get the gloves for the 2012 Olympic games.
Spoonley and Marinovic (or Imray) should be given the gloves for the 2012 OFC Nations Cup. The best becomes the third keeper for NZ.


Spoonley is not good enough for national team, we have better keepers than him playing in the ASB premiership that dominate the penalty area and can catch a ball under pressure.
Ricki needs to take his blinkers off and give a few more locals a bit more of a look for all positions.
I have posted on here before he played a game that Warner was not a good signing for the Nix, does nothing to make you want to watch them when an average overseas lower grade club keeper gets signed as a back up.

ACFC and the CWC is good for local coverage no matter how it's funded.
I'm all for anything that gets more of local [A league down] football into the print media/ TV/Radio but a lot of what gets in has nothing to do with the Nix or local football and that is the main issue we on this forum have.
Take the latest issue of Skysport magazine 6 pages of football and all about overseas teams that 5 people followed, no mention of going to watch the Phoenix or ASB teams. That sort of tripe does not make you go and buy that magazine, I can read that type of article in 424 over 170 odd pages.
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so you missed the nix game tonight? Warner was stellar! kept us in the gamne for long periods, I doubt even Paston could have done better.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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Would you prefer a nz youngster to be sitting on the bench at the nix as backup keeper every week,or playing every week for an nzfc (or other) side...?

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Think people should stop having a go at auckland city for their spanish imports...waitak on the weekend had just as many englishman and possibly more. Lets give Auck City more credit, their imports are better than waitaks.
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Greyhound wrote:
Think people should stop having a go at auckland city for their spanish imports...waitak on the weekend had just as many englishman and possibly more. Lets give Auck City more credit, their imports are better than waitaks.
 
 
I think you'll find that it's more of a pushback against a small group of ACFC fans who whinge about the Phoenix not promoting Kiwi players enough, but who don't see the same issue with their imports.
 
They're dummies though.
 
In general, a few good imports is great for any league/team.  ACFC's ones are decent from all accounts.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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the anti-spanish noise is a little annoying

the problem i have is with nzf who allow a player to be classified as local after only 6 months reg222011-11-15 20:48:30

360footballnews.com

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Greyhound wrote:
Think people should stop having a go at auckland city for their spanish imports...waitak on the weekend had just as many englishman and possibly more. Lets give Auck City more credit, their imports are better than waitaks.


Kiwis: Robinson (If you are counting Danko or Corrales then Danny has just as much right since he has been here a while) Rowley, Myers, Pearce, McKenzie, Butler, De Vries, Adams
Fijian: Krishna
English: Bullock
Welsh: Bale
Bench: Feni

You started with 4 imports and had Tade on the bench (depending on how you view Corrales).

I'll ask again what game were you watching?
http://www.asbpremiership.co.nz/index.php?id=1579
Jeff Vader2011-11-15 22:12:02

Grumpy old bastard alert

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So just because you have lived in NZ for 6 years like Robinson has you become an NZ citizen do you?
He's English   
Koprivcic is an NZ citizen
both sides had 4 non nz eligible players in starting line ups

Out of the 52 players registered at ACFC 8 are not eligible to play for NZ
Not sure on Waitakere
but would imagine it would be similiar
not a bad percentage     
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Smithy wrote:
Greyhound wrote:
Think people should stop having a go at auckland city for their spanish imports...waitak on the weekend had just as many englishman and possibly more. Lets give Auck City more credit, their imports are better than waitaks.
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[DIV]I think you'll find that it's more of a pushback against a small group of ACFC fans who whinge about the Phoenix not promoting Kiwi players enough, but who don't see the same issue with their imports.[/DIV]
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[DIV]They're dummies though.[/DIV]
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[DIV]In general, a few good imports is great for any league/team.� ACFC's ones are decent from all accounts.[/DIV]


So do you think that they do promote enough NZ players?
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Yawn

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Wasnt directed at you dickhead!!!

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Dickhead. You're clever.

Just a few fixes to help you out in future:

Wasn't
Dick head is two words.
You shouldn't use more than one exclamation mark at the end of a sentence.

But that was a very nice try. I'm so very proud of you!

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Front up on saturday with your little crew then, then we will see how proud you are
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Going to stab me with your knitting needles?

Unfortunately I have to work (new twilight movie is out,ugh). Would like to watch the nix with a big Auckland crowd,then watch an nzfc game on your turf.

Unless that was a threat.......in which case I'd rather not.

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No needles just a pint and heated discussion
have to save it for Jan 29th at Newtown then
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Sounds good. As long as I'm not getting abused.

It is always an interesting discussion, without the pathetic crap (from both sides). I know from me it's just banter, used to make a boring drawn out attack at least vaguely amusing for us. But an actual chat over a pint would be interesting,as long as you can keep it a that - which in my current opinion - you can't. so yeah maybe I would wimp out.

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Its going to be hard. But will be watching ACFC play their O-League game before the Nix play this Saturday.

Will be listening for the anti Phoenix chants again.
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Ard Choille wrote:
Its going to be hard. But will be watching ACFC play their O-League game before the Nix play this Saturday.


Why would it be hard? They play great football.

Three for me, and two for them.

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JordyBean wrote:
So just because you have lived in NZ for 6 years like Robinson has you become an NZ citizen do you?
He's English   
Koprivcic is an NZ citizen
both sides had 4 non nz eligible players in starting line ups

Out of the 52 players registered at ACFC 8 are not eligible to play for NZ
Not sure on Waitakere
but would imagine it would be similiar
not a bad percentage     

Thoughts on this Jeff Vader?


If anything have a go at waitak because their imports are worse than local talent apart from possibly Danny Robinson. Auckland City have imports that have simply lifted the standard of the league and helped young players come through at the club.
Greyhound2011-11-16 11:22:08
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JordyBean wrote:
Front up on saturday with your little crew then, then we will see how proud you are
Now you're just embarrassing yourself.
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Save it for Newtown Park then I guess.
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Buffon II wrote:
Ard Choille wrote:
Its going to be hard. But will be watching ACFC play their O-League game before the Nix play this Saturday.


Why would it be hard? They play great football.


I don't know Spanish or Croatian.
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Greyhound wrote:
JordyBean wrote:
So just because you have lived in NZ for 6 years like Robinson has you become an NZ citizen do you?
He's English   
Koprivcic is an NZ citizen
both sides had 4 non nz eligible players in starting line ups

Out of the 52 players registered at ACFC 8 are not eligible to play for NZ
Not sure on Waitakere
but would imagine it would be similiar
not a bad percentage     

Thoughts on this Jeff Vader?


If anything have a go at waitak because their imports are worse than local talent apart from possibly Danny Robinson. Auckland City have imports that have simply lifted the standard of the league and helped young players come through at the club.
 
I go back to your orginal quote greyhound. Your ascertinon was that we should give Waitak sh*t for having just as many if not more imports than ACFC (the term you used was 'Englishman'). It been clarified how Robinson is viewed, as an Englishman. That gives both sides with 4 in the starting line up, Waitak had 1 on the bench and you guys had 2.
 
I understand that Rex or Neil have no issue with the Phoenix nor do they have an issue if they take their players and can see the bigger picture. Thats not an accusation against ACFC but again at a small section of knitters. I don't have to give Waitakere sh*t because I don't see them coming on here spouting about how righteous and holy they are for good honest coalface grassroots NZ footballers where as the Phoenix are so evil.
 
One day, you will understand this point. Its been made many times from more than a few posters on this forum including the mods. Get your head around this and you will understand why I am paying out Espanol City.
Jeff Vader2011-11-16 13:45:26

Grumpy old bastard alert

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Jeff Vader wrote:
Greyhound wrote:
JordyBean wrote:
So just because you have lived in NZ for 6 years like Robinson has you become an NZ citizen do you?
He's English   
Koprivcic is an NZ citizen
both sides had 4 non nz eligible players in starting line ups

Out of the 52 players registered at ACFC 8 are not eligible to play for NZ
Not sure on Waitakere
but would imagine it would be similiar
not a bad percentage     

Thoughts on this Jeff Vader?


If anything have a go at waitak because their imports are worse than local talent apart from possibly Danny Robinson. Auckland City have imports that have simply lifted the standard of the league and helped young players come through at the club.
 
I go back to your orginal quote greyhound. Your ascertinon was that we should give Waitak sh*t for having just as many if not more imports than AFC (the term you used was 'Englishman'). It been clarified how Robinson is viewed, as an Englishman. That gives both sides with 4 in the starting line up, Waitak had 1 on the bench and you guys had 2.
 
I understand that Rex or Neil have no issue with the Phoenix nor do they have an issue if they take their players and can see the bigger picture. Thats not an accusation against ACFC but again at a small section of knitters. I don't have to give Waitakere sh*t because I don't see them coming on here spouting about how righteous and holy they are for good honest coalface grassroots NZ footballers where as the Phoenix are so evil.
 
One day, you will understand this point. Its been made many times from more than a few posters on this forum including the mods. Get your head around this and you will understand why I am paying out Espanol City.
Espanol City- real mature Jeff.

If the Phoenix didnt turn down the chance to Play Auckland City in a pre season fixture i dont think people would be slagging off the Phoenix. Wellington Phoenix shat it when Auckland City came calling. The Mariners didnt and were brave and respectful after the whistle. Phoenix are running scared..NZ football know who they realy want at the top eventually... and thats Auckland City. But good things take time Jeffery Vader
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 yes all A league teams are scared to play you in a PRESEASON fixture, except the Mariners who were brave warriors for coming up against the mighty and scary Auckland city.
 
Do you hear yourself sometimes?

Allegedly

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Greyhound wrote:
 
If the Phoenix didnt turn down the chance to Play Auckland City in a pre season fixture i dont think people would be slagging off the Phoenix. Wellington Phoenix shat it when Auckland City came calling. The Mariners didnt and were brave and respectful after the whistle. Phoenix are running scared..NZ football know who they realy want at the top eventually... and thats Auckland City. But good things take time Jeffery Vader
 
 
I actually did laugh out loud when I read this. Really loud. Comedy gold.    

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Greyhound wrote:

If the Phoenix didnt turn down the chance to Play Auckland City in a pre season fixture i dont think people would be slagging off the Phoenix. [/quote]

ACFC fans has been kvetching about the Phoenix for years, so you're wrong on that count.

Greyhound wrote:
Wellington Phoenix shat it when Auckland City came calling. The Mariners didnt and were brave and respectful after the whistle. Phoenix are running scared..


That's a big assumption. Considering the Nix have played against Waitakere before, I doubt it's fear. It may have been scheduling. It may have been accommodation, given the rugby. No justification has been published, so we may as well say the Nix didn't want to embarrass Auckland City by putting seven goals past them and it'd be just as valid as your assumption.

[QUOTE=Greyhound]
NZ football know who they realy want at the top eventually... and thats Auckland City. But good things take time Jeffery Vader

I'd be concerned if NZF did have a bias towards to particular club in their league. If NZF wanted the ASBP to rise above the A-League on the development pyramid, fair enough. I'm pretty sure NZF aren't that delusional however. If they wanted one particular ASBP club on top, they wouldn't be fit to administer the sport. NZF needs to work for ALL clubs. Instead, I think they're comfortable with both the Nix and ASBP being part of a developmental structure:



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Greyhound wrote:
Espanol City- real mature Jeff.

If the Phoenix didnt turn down the chance to Play Auckland City in a pre season fixture i dont think people would be slagging off the Phoenix. Wellington Phoenix shat it when Auckland City came calling. The Mariners didnt and were brave and respectful after the whistle. Phoenix are running scared..NZ football know who they realy want at the top eventually... and thats Auckland City. But good things take time Jeffery Vader
I could say more but its really too easy. And the reality is that I don't actually need to say anything because even most posters can see that you and the knitters are doing it to yourself.
 

Grumpy old bastard alert

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Ard Choille wrote:

Buffon II wrote:
Ard Choille wrote:
Its going to be hard. But will be watching ACFC play their O-League game before the Nix play this Saturday.


Why would it be hard? They play great football.
I don't know Spanish or Croatian.


Good football is good football in any language.

Three for me, and two for them.

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Hard News wrote:

The level above Grassroots is Coalface isn't it?

He has it listed there. Its that little blue square that says ACFC... Didn't you know they are the embassadors for promoting storied youngsters like Andrew Milne who came back to NZ from Rangers, a fairly decent club? Not these Spanish types that might have stood in the same carpark as Messi once. They would never believe that hype and play them over quality NZ youngsters...

Grumpy old bastard alert

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