Why not make Hami Wandereres coach coach of Waikato.. im sure cozzie would do a much better job than Decklan.. Waikato has so many class players yet decklan opted for his academy players for his own selfish reasons.
I have no issues with people disagreeing with the strategy and direction of Waikato FC but theres a fine line between having an opinion and making personnel attack on individuals that are offensive . I have to say a few recent comments have stepped over the mark.
I am more than happy to clarify a few issues for people. Waikato has two very clear goals. One is become a finacially viable club. Last year we ended the year $20k in debt. The main reason for that is that we couldn't obtain the level of sponsorship and funding required plus their was no money from the WCC. The board took some tough financial decisions and we trimmed 40% of our operational budget. It was a case that if we didn't make these cuts we wouldn't be around today. I am pleased to say that we are forecasted to make a profit between $20 and $30k this year. We have obtain funding and sponsorship to the extent of $100k this year. 80% of our revenue each year comes from sponsorship or funding .10% from gate takings and 10% from other sources. The aim moving forward is to be less reliant of funding money.I held a number of meetings with funders/sponsorships about the reasons why we didn't get the dollars we asked for last year. The overwhelming response was that we would back a "local team". We listened to the feedback and I spoke to a number of key people in the football community that I have the upmost respect for and the decision was made to have each year 80% of the squad from the Waikato.
The other main goal is to work collectively with the local clubs. We are not in competition to any club. A strong Waikato FC franchise will mean so clubs. A lot of hard work has gone into building relationships with the clubs.Its fair to say that their has been some strong challending debate but the Melville, Wanderers,Ngaruawahia committees are supportive of Waikato FC.Its paramount that we retain a national league license so our young players have a clear pathway to the highest competition in NZ. Four of our current squad are part of the NZ Under 23 campaign
Waikato FC will defintely be reapplying for a national league license when the time comes.
The on field domain is purely the responsibillity of the Head Coach and his team. Its nots the boards role to select players . Any Head coach has KPI's and their are debfriefs throughout the year to review how the coach is perfoming against those KPI's. Of course part of the KPI is results but that is not the only criteria we measure success against.
The Board is very committed to the current strategy and we know their is going to be short tem pain for long term gain. We do have some senior players out with injuries like Matt and David but we are not going to change our strategy after 4 games .Its going to take time to build our strategy.We are trying to play a brand of football that is attractive to watch.
Of course we have made mistakes along the way but we are determined to learn from our mistakes and get up and do whats right for the football community in the Waikato.
As I stated on numerous occassions I am more than happy to discuss Waikato FC with anyone offline. My contact details are on the Waikato FC website
Regards
Brendon
Waikato FC - Chair
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Maybe if the BOP were involved with Waikato FC abit more theyd be more successful. Why is mens not WAIBOP like the womens squad?
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Waikato FC is a franchise arrangement . All the teams in the ASB Premiership are franchises and are totally seperate from the Federations
The teams in the Womens Leagues are run by the Federations hence why they are WAIBOP.
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Hi Brendon, I've previously restrained from replying to your postings on this and other forums out of respect for the position you hold, while thinking
" if you put your head above the parapet............." You have stated "Its paramount that we retain a national league license so our young players have a clear pathway to the highest competition in NZ". Tell me how any player from clubs other than Melville might acheive that goal? Lets say Duncan Lowry was appointed as coach and the entire makeup of the youth academy players were from the Matamata club, would that concern you or perhaps Mark Cossey enlisted the whole lot from the Wanderers U15 team (actually won something), or Tga, Taupo, Rotorua etc. What people want to see is the opportunity given to the best and most promising young talent. Of course I would expect you to publicly support the path that's been taken despite any misgivings you and or the board may now have. IMHumbugO Humbug2011-11-30 19:39:35
" if you put your head above the parapet............." You have stated "Its paramount that we retain a national league license so our young players have a clear pathway to the highest competition in NZ". Tell me how any player from clubs other than Melville might acheive that goal? Lets say Duncan Lowry was appointed as coach and the entire makeup of the youth academy players were from the Matamata club, would that concern you or perhaps Mark Cossey enlisted the whole lot from the Wanderers U15 team (actually won something), or Tga, Taupo, Rotorua etc. What people want to see is the opportunity given to the best and most promising young talent. Of course I would expect you to publicly support the path that's been taken despite any misgivings you and or the board may now have. IMHumbugO Humbug2011-11-30 19:39:35
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"The on field domain is purely the responsibillity of the Head Coach and his team. Its nots the boards role to select players . Any Head coach has KPI's and their are debfriefs throughout the year to review how the coach is perfoming against those KPI's. Of course part of the KPI is results but that is not the only criteria we measure success against".
I suppose one would need to be a fly on the wall to know what the KPI's are? And are they enduringly flexible
3bob2011-11-30 19:59:30
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Waikato FC is a franchise arrangement . All the teams in the ASB Premiership are franchises and are totally seperate from the Federations
The teams in the Womens Leagues are run by the Federations hence why they are WAIBOP.
Why is it run this way? Seems odd to me.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I beleive they were connected to the Fed until this year
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Just so Neil Moucher isnt blamed for this posting im not mr Moucher
i ve read this thread and at times i can not believe the attacks on indiviuals unbelivable.
WFC issues are as i see it they had a poor board poor finacials and no real structure, no long term strategic plan.
Board has got better but the rest I have no idea
The current coach is being paid ZERO the Players support staff all on the same pay rate of ZERO.
Im sure Declan would love to bring in a few quality experianced players but he doesnt have the money so he has to develop for the future, before the days of the franchise Waikato had no national league repesentation so we had real lack of depth of players with experiance at that level since the Franchises have been in place we have brought players in from ALK who to be honest in my opinion was a waste of money.
I attended WFC coaching session last week coach players happily spoke about what they were trying to achieve and realistic about the results that will come along this year, I havent been to WFC game for few years as I dont wana watch players from ALK playing for Waikato but last weekend i went along yes score line not pretty and at times the young WFC players made some dreadful mistakes but their is no doubting their skills and things would be much better for them if they had a few more senior players along side them, what is sad a very experiance senior waikato player will play for WFC but he is over priceing him self.
Bruce / Brendon I think you have both mentioned Melville, Wanderers, Narras all on board in some manor supporting WFC this is Great but with respect their are lot more clubs in the Waikato than the big 3 i think you called them Bruce, the so called little clubs Claudland, Westham, Western united,TA, Ham North, Rotokauri just to name a few all have some thing to offer get them involved, even better this region also covers the bay of plenty.
As for the federation they should be helping its part of growing the game ( no charging the WFC stupid fees)
I think Declan is doing the best he can with the resources he has available, and its fantastic to see him trying to develop quality players. i for one is starting to get my passion back for Waikato football.
I think thats it for now I dont think I made any personal attacks on any one just offered an opinion.
Sorry for poor spelling and grammer should of spent more time in school
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I disagree with Neil. Im certain Alex Barlow, Adam Wallace, Jordan Shaw, Tewi Te Poe, Sam Margates and any other Hami locals would of played for waikato for free. The question is how do we define a successful season for waikato? A) Waikato FC gets thrashed in NZFC but the franchise make a profit. B) Waikato has a good/average season and makes playoffs/comes close to playoffs but the franchise makes a loss. Board members would go with A but players and fans would go for B.
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Hey i cant say thy would or wouldnt but i can say lot of plays wana b paid thats fair enough but their aint the money.
You cant define success if theirs no long term plan. Dont get me wrong i would love success il take ugly wins over pretty losses but the foundations have never been laid down in the begining. Im not a board member but every year they to busy clearing debt from previous season cant be good
You cant define success if theirs no long term plan. Dont get me wrong i would love success il take ugly wins over pretty losses but the foundations have never been laid down in the begining. Im not a board member but every year they to busy clearing debt from previous season cant be good
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I'll still go and watch whatever happens. I'm glad we have a waikato based team, although I don't know too many of them. It is good the young players have a pathway as there are a number of outstanding players about highlighted in this years U15 competition. It;s also great to here the financial side of the club are finally in order, great job Brendon and team.
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Why dont Waikato just pick a good squad? This seems to work for Auckland and Waitakere. I agree with AITK. You could easily put together a Waikato Squad that are unpaid and would produce better results than the current squad.
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Why dont Waikato just pick a good squad? This seems to work for Auckland and Waitakere. I agree with AITK. You could easily put together a Waikato Squad that are unpaid and would produce better results than the current squad.
Why dont Waikato just PAY a good squad?
No rich sugar daddies.
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This weekend againest Hawkes Bay will be good. Barlow and the Margates bros. will be out to prove a point.
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Hogster, the league is an amateur league, what good is paying players. Also, Waikato have themselves in a good financial position at the moment, why blow it for what? What do you win if you win the NZFC? It's not guaranteed that spending money on players will bring you league success with the strength of both Auckland teams. Better to build for the future.
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Danyon Drake in the Waikato side, I really rate him, he and Tommy should be 1 and 2 in some order in the goalkeeping ranks
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Hogster, the league is an amateur league, what good is paying players. Also, Waikato have themselves in a good financial position at the moment, why blow it for what? What do you win if you win the NZFC? It's not guaranteed that spending money on players will bring you league success with the strength of both Auckland teams. Better to build for the future.
You win the chance in O-League and a chance for the world club champs! Thats big for Waikato
ASUS2011-12-02 14:14:52
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and to give some objectivity in that, pretty much only 2 teams have competed in the last 8 years. If thats the norm, what luck does Waikato have even when you consider it is sitting right behind the next teams behind Auckland and Waitakere.
I'm not saying don't have a go, but don't try going to make a Angus Fillet steak when all you have to work with is mince...
Grumpy old bastard alert
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Hogster, the league is an amateur league, what good is paying players. Also, Waikato have themselves in a good financial position at the moment, why blow it for what? What do you win if you win the NZFC? It's not guaranteed that spending money on players will bring you league success with the strength of both Auckland teams. Better to build for the future.
He mentioned selecting good players like Auckland - to do that they need to find an income stream to pay that typr of player. Simple Hogster2011-12-02 18:11:13
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Hey Jeff
They now make steak out of mince, along with sweepings from the floor and use a special glue to bind it, marbleing and all, perhaps some teams could wear a mask of messi.............................. trouble is it don't taste to good
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Danyon Drake in the Waikato side, I really rate him, he and Tommy should be 1 and 2 in some order in the goalkeeping ranks
The best young keeper in the Waikato in the past two years is the lad that played for St Pauls. Tommy was first class for HW this year.
This of course is OMHumbugO'sHumbug2011-12-02 18:22:30
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The best keeper in the Waikato is Max Tommy but for some reason moucher and fulcher have been in goal and have been poor.
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hi all, you can view declan edge's match programme notes vs waitakere here:
http://www.footballnews.co.nz/new-zealand/new-zealand-insight-and-analysis/131-waikato-fc-programme-notes-27-novreg222011-12-03 21:08:23
http://www.footballnews.co.nz/new-zealand/new-zealand-insight-and-analysis/131-waikato-fc-programme-notes-27-novreg222011-12-03 21:08:23
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I see Waikato are leading Hawkes Bay 1 - nil in the White Ribbon Cup just before half time, no live-up dates so unsure of scorer.
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[QUOTE=reg22]hi all, you can view declan edge's match programme notes vs waitakere here:
http://www.footballnews.co.nz/analysis/6-an-new-zealand/131-waikato-fc-programme-notes-27-nov[/QUOTE]
http://www.footballnews.co.nz/analysis/6-an-new-zealand/131-waikato-fc-programme-notes-27-nov[/QUOTE]
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I see Waikato are leading Hawkes Bay 1 - nil in the White Ribbon Cup just before half time, no live-up dates so unsure of scorer.
Waikato now 2 - nil up.
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Congratulations to Waikato FC. It will give confidence to the youngsters.
It would be interesting to see can they repeat it in couple of weeks time.
It would be interesting to see can they repeat it in couple of weeks time.
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[QUOTE=reg22]hi all, you can view declan edge's match programme notes vs waitakere here: http://www.footballnews.co.nz/analysis/6-an-new-zealand/131-waikato-fc-programme-notes-27-nov[/QUOTE]
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Did anyone see the waikato-HB game?
And if so, what exactly was the message from the Margetts boys?
And if Waikato got the message, did they simply misunderstand it?
Or is this HB team just an embarrassment to the league?
And was their coach just on an ego trip etc to field such a team when he must have had other players in the province to choose from?
Surely he could produce a better team from players in the province, etc?
Answers please.
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Waikato- Drake,Lissette,Smith,Kramer,EdgeJ,Edge H,Hicks,Boyd,Greene,ThomasA,Thomas R
Hawkes Bay - Peta,Neil,Barlow,Roberston,Cowan,MargettesS,Margetts J, Tinnion,Wilson,Bauerffeind,Watson
Waikato scored in the 17th min from a well worked corner when Tyler Lissette powered home a header at the far post from an Adam Thomas cross. Jason Hicks then hit the post 5 mins later and the rebound come quickly back to Tyler Boyd to missed an open goal. In the 29th min,Ryan Thomas played a delightful through ball that put Jason Hicks clear who rounded the keeper to make it 2-0. The talking point was the seven yellow cards handed out by ref Chris Kerr, 5 to Waikato. The general consensus were a number of these cards were harsh.
Waikato were well worth there 2-0 HT lead. In the second half Hawkes Bay came out fired up and the game became more even. Hawkes Bay were dangerous at set piecaes mainly through the aerial power of Bill Robertson . He had a header cleared of the line by Ryan Thomas.
Late in the second half, Peta made a great save from a shot from Jason Hicks. As Hawkes Bay pushed forwarded opportunities came and it easily could have been three with a chances going astray.
Overall, Waikato were deserved winners but there will be no doubt Hawkes Bay will be stronger and more determined when the two sides meet in Hamilton on the 18th Dec. Waikato passing game worked well today and the win will give the youngest a huge boost.The whole team played well but Josh Greene reading off the game was exceptional and Tyler Boyd was a real threat up front.
Bill Roberston was again leading from the front. Hawkes Bay missed McIvor and Milos
The Taupo club who hosted the game were superb. The ground was well presented and the aftermatch food was outstanding. To John and the club well done on a great day
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Well, #@*! me. F&^%$ sh*t.
On behalf of Humbug, Ray Mysterio, 3bob, intheknow, and the other negative Waikato fans I�d just like to say how majorly pissed off we are that Waikato FC have won.
If you thought we were angry when Waikato were losing, well we are totally pissed now they are winning.
Especially with a team of kids, just about all from the Declan Edge Academy. Where all they do is train and play every day.
Can�t believe they are no longer "paying the price" and we can�t grumble about them not "being there on merit", as me dad used to say.
And they even started Harry Edge, who we really love to hate. Bad enough that he scored a brilliant goal last week, now his first time in the starting XI and Waikato have their first win. Bugger.
So where does that leave the up and coming Waikato player who just wants to train Tuesdays and Thursdays, pick up some wedge and have a bit of a larf?
I�m also now confused as to who is sending who a message here. Can somebody explain what is happening? It's making me really angry.
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Good to get a win but before you get carried away this was in the 'cup' where if you look at teams selected by all teams except Waikato, coaches have used this cup as a chance to play their 'squads' resting their starting players and having a look at the reserves...
Add to that that HBU now have no actual experienced coach and lost to Otago last week..
So as I said congratulations on the win and I am sure it will do confidence the world of good BUT dont get too carried away. This win needs to be replicated in the real competition against an actual NZFC side..
Add to that that HBU now have no actual experienced coach and lost to Otago last week..
So as I said congratulations on the win and I am sure it will do confidence the world of good BUT dont get too carried away. This win needs to be replicated in the real competition against an actual NZFC side..
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Any truth to the rumour that Waikato hasn't paid their entry fee for the NZFC?
I let my guitar speak for me
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Well done waikato for finally getting a win. Hopefully a few positives are taken from saturday and you can go to better things. Except when you play Canty in January, of course.
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Firstly, congrats to Waikato for a good win - and to Danyon for keeping a clean sheet.
Ray Mysterio, I am at a loss to understand your post on a couple of points.
You say: if you look at teams selected by all teams except Waikato, coaches have used this cup as a chance to play their 'squads' resting their starting players and having a look at the reserves
I did have a look, and from what i could see all the Hawke's Bay players named above also played in the match the week previously - when presumably they WERE an "actual NZFC side". Bearing in mind squads get to name over 20 players, I don't see that your point gets much traction here.
But assuming, for the sake of argument, that your view is neverthelss correct, and Waikato are the odd ones out in terms of not having a look at their reserves in the White ribbon Cup -- does this mean that you now believe that the starting lineup in Taupo is Waikato's first choice, best XI?
If so, please expand on what made you change your mind from previous, highly sceptical posts. Just curious.
Regards.
Bruce Holloway2011-12-05 09:20:40
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The scoreline was hardly a reflection of waikato's dominance, they kept possession well and were creating plenty of chances but struggled to finish them, the score could easily have been 8+ nil. It has to be said though that Hawkes Bay were awful especially at the back, they were at sixes and sevens. Very disappointing and definitely not the best team HB could have put out, no where near it in fact.
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Any truth to the rumour that Waikato hasn't paid their entry fee for the NZFC?
I heard their is at least 3 who have not paid.
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