English (and other British lower league) Football Discussion

Coliseum Sports - EPL Overlords

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over 12 years ago
paulm wrote:
Frankie Mac wrote:

I also thought that the World Cup had to be on free-to-air TV?  I know that is definitely the case in the UK but I thought that FIFA imposed that rule on all countries when confirming the television rights.

European Champs will probably be a different story


I believe a certain portion of it has to be free-to-air, not every game live or anything like that

yeah i think semi's and final are live free to air and some of group and 1/4 finals

go gunners

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over 12 years ago
paulm wrote:
Frankie Mac wrote:
paulm wrote:
[quote=Tegal]

 Its already starting to be shown what a bit of competition can do, we have more football and sport in general on than we ever have before when sky was the sole provider. 

Anyway, I feel like I've had this conversation about 4 times now. Just scroll back through the thread, its all there. 


you have more football than ever before.  Personally, I had significantly more football when Sky was the sole provider.


His statement is still correct - there is more football on than ever before, you are just choosing not to view it. 

not correct.  All of this football was available last season if you choose to "view it" (all you needed to do was purchase a massive, fuck off satelite dish that picked up Aussie or UAE channels). 

It is not choosing not to view it, it is choosing not to pay it.

All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight

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over 12 years ago

Ok. So those without sky now have more through sommet sports at the very least. Those who couldn't afford $80 or whatever for sky per month, but can afford $140 a year for EPL have more content. So that argument kind of collapses, and isn't really the point anyway. There is more sporting content available for customers now than before. Whether you choose to pay for it, or watch it or not is up to the individual - as it was before. 


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over 12 years ago

Never really bothered with NFL, but might give it a try since its still free. Could grow to like it. Assume its free all season then?


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over 12 years ago
Frankie Mac wrote:
paulm wrote:
Frankie Mac wrote:
paulm wrote:
[quote=Tegal]

 Its already starting to be shown what a bit of competition can do, we have more football and sport in general on than we ever have before when sky was the sole provider. 

Anyway, I feel like I've had this conversation about 4 times now. Just scroll back through the thread, its all there. 


you have more football than ever before.  Personally, I had significantly more football when Sky was the sole provider.


His statement is still correct - there is more football on than ever before, you are just choosing not to view it. 

not correct.  All of this football was available last season if you choose to "view it" (all you needed to do was purchase a massive, fuck off satelite dish that picked up Aussie or UAE channels). 

It is not choosing not to view it, it is choosing not to pay it.


For your benefit I'll update my sentence;
"there is more football on nz-based television than ever before, you are just choosing not to view it."



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over 12 years ago
paulm wrote:
Frankie Mac wrote:
paulm wrote:
Frankie Mac wrote:
paulm wrote:
[quote=Tegal]

 Its already starting to be shown what a bit of competition can do, we have more football and sport in general on than we ever have before when sky was the sole provider. 

Anyway, I feel like I've had this conversation about 4 times now. Just scroll back through the thread, its all there. 


you have more football than ever before.  Personally, I had significantly more football when Sky was the sole provider.


His statement is still correct - there is more football on than ever before, you are just choosing not to view it. 

not correct.  All of this football was available last season if you choose to "view it" (all you needed to do was purchase a massive, fuck off satelite dish that picked up Aussie or UAE channels). 

It is not choosing not to view it, it is choosing not to pay it.


For your benefit I'll update my sentence;

"there is more football on nz-based television than ever before, you are just choosing not to pay the required additional money for it."


ok, and for your benefit I have updated your sentence again

All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight

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over 12 years ago

There's more football available on NZ free-to-air television than ever before, including a reasonable amount of EPL. No need to update my sentence either.



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over 12 years ago
Tegal wrote:

Never really bothered with NFL, but might give it a try since its still free. Could grow to like it. Assume its free all season then?


No idea. could be but then they could easily take it away at any point. 
Sommet have got NFL on monday mornings starting next week. 2 games. first at 5am then another straight after at 8.
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over 12 years ago
Frankie Mac wrote:
paulm wrote:
[quote=Tegal]

 Its already starting to be shown what a bit of competition can do, we have more football and sport in general on than we ever have before when sky was the sole provider. 

Anyway, I feel like I've had this conversation about 4 times now. Just scroll back through the thread, its all there. 


you have more football than ever before.  Personally, I had significantly more football when Sky was the sole provider.

ditto! thanks to the split I've lost access to all of the EPL games I used to watch. Not prepared to pay an additional $150 for content I used to get as part of my $1200 annual fee. If this kind of split continues i can see people like me who don't have ooodles of cash to splash on sports tv losing out - and I suspect me and Frankie aren't the only ones. It's either going to end up with people having to hook up their PC's to the tv and paying for mega data packages or 4/5 different boxes to make the telly work......just daft if you ask me.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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over 12 years ago

Is that not sky's fault for bundling the sport, rather than coliseums for offering it cheaper (and free to air)? Also, doesnt it just mean that sky are ripping you off more than they were before? theyre now giving you less content without lowering the cost. 

I see it as more of a step, rather than the final product. 



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over 12 years ago
theprof wrote:
Frankie Mac wrote:
paulm wrote:
[quote=Tegal]

 Its already starting to be shown what a bit of competition can do, we have more football and sport in general on than we ever have before when sky was the sole provider. 

Anyway, I feel like I've had this conversation about 4 times now. Just scroll back through the thread, its all there. 


you have more football than ever before.  Personally, I had significantly more football when Sky was the sole provider.

ditto! thanks to the split I've lost access to all of the EPL games I used to watch. Not prepared to pay an additional $150 for content I used to get as part of my $1200 annual fee. If this kind of split continues i can see people like me who don't have ooodles of cash to splash on sports tv losing out - and I suspect me and Frankie aren't the only ones. It's either going to end up with people having to hook up their PC's to the tv and paying for mega data packages or 4/5 different boxes to make the telly work......just daft if you ask me.

 

Wooooaaahhhhh there cowboy.  I actually do have ooodles of cash, I am just not paying for these things (Sommett and CSM) as I am leaving the country.

Start making me out to be a pauper and I really will have no chance of being able to impress anyone on here.

All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight

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over 12 years ago
Tegal wrote:

Never really bothered with NFL, but might give it a try since its still free. Could grow to like it. Assume its free all season then?

I hope so.  Was free all last season, not sure why though.  It's quite good to watch those games on delay so you can fast forward through the US ads (there are a ton of them in each game!!).

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over 12 years ago

Yeah I find myself watching all American sports deliberately on delay just so I can fast forward through the ads. 


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over 12 years ago

Feel sorry for all the football supporters in NZ.

Nothing has changed in Aussie. Still getting 8  plus EPL games live every weekend.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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over 12 years ago

Why feel sorry? We are getting every game live.


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over 12 years ago

My beef with sky is that there isn't a Rugby game on every week so they had to fill the middle of the night with something, so why not football? Will Sky have learned from this? me thinks not but hey that's their choice. I've got Sommet on my DVD Recorder and Sky on my Tbox.

Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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over 12 years ago
Tegal wrote:

Why feel sorry? We are getting every game live.



At what cost?

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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over 12 years ago

Do you have 8 games live and free to air in Australia then? 


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over 12 years ago
Tegal wrote:

Do you have 8 games live and free to air in Australia then? 



No, but it is pretty cheap with the rest of the Sky package which includes ESPN. SBS is free to air and they have live games. It was a civil question.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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over 12 years ago · edited over 12 years ago · History

It only costs $11.50 a month here. Pretty cheap, and we get all games live. 


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over 12 years ago
Tegal wrote:

Why feel sorry? We are getting every game live.

In worse quality.  I am sure that if you asked all football fans which they would prefer - every game in average quality or most games in great quality, pretty much all of them would want the great quality.  For that reason alone we are now in a worse off position than pretty much everywhere.  Aus, Middle East, the states get every game in high def, we don't. For that, I feel sorry

All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight

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over 12 years ago

As one of my mates was saying the other day, "I have asked all the people I know who have it (which isn't that many people) and they all said it was fine.  Well fuck that, why should we accept fine?"



All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight

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over 12 years ago

Yeah, but now you can watch it while sitting on the bog.


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over 12 years ago
terminator_x wrote:

Yeah, but now you can watch it while sitting on the bog.


2 hours?  the pins and needles would be unbearable 

All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight

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over 12 years ago · edited over 12 years ago · History

Yeah would be good to have HD, I agree. Have been told that they will introduce it at some point. The sooner the better. Can understand some reasons as to why they didnt start out with it, but would prefer to have the option for sure. Having said that, the SD quality is still good for me at least. Its like having sky without the HD ticket. 

As I said earlier, I see it as more of a step toward something better, rather than the full product. So am more willing to accept watching it in SD rather than HD. 


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over 12 years ago
Frankie Mac wrote:
terminator_x wrote:

Yeah, but now you can watch it while sitting on the bog.


2 hours?  the pins and needles would be unbearable 


But if your team wins you will have two (good) results.

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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over 12 years ago

I must say it was pretty handy being able to watch the liverpool game tuesday morning off my phone on the way to a course that started at 9 and stopping at the supermarket to grab a couple things all while watching the game.  Didn't get that with sky!  Pretty damn cool its the way it should be in this day and age.

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over 12 years ago

I am finding the option to watch on the iPad on a Sun/Mon morning quite appealing. I've had no issue with buffering etc, it seems to run well. I am however frustrated why there is no 'fast-forward' button like there is when viewed on the browser.

I asked them last week and received this response via Twitter 'think that's in the notes to the developers. Not quite sure why it's not there'

I have watched Spurs's 4 games as follows...(FYI - I've watched no other games at all)

  1. Live using HDMI hookup to TV
  2. Delayed on Laptop
  3. Delayed on iPad
  4. Depayed on iPad

I used to get up and watch in the lounge on a Sun/Mon morning around 0630 and as my boys woke would join me and we'd watch together, so that's one of the things that has disappeared since PLP snapped up the rights. I could fix that by attaching the laptop etc to the TV but again just more of a hassle.

I'd also got used to watching a 90min game in 60mins or so as I'd fast forward through parts. With PLP I tend to watch the whole game mainly due to lack of easy fast-forward options I think. Although I have downloaded a free app for the iPhone which allows me to use the iPhone as a remote control for the Laptop so I can control the system from the couch which worked well for the only game I have watched via the TV.

I think I'm in the 'would prefer SKY had the rights' camp, I remain unimpessed with the picture quality, for me it's "ok". Nothing like the HD SKY Broadcast on a 42" HDTV, but the ability to watch on the iPad is a good feature. Although that is something SKY are bringing to market later this year (apparently).

The whole PLP thing from Day One (and it continues to be) has always appeared somewhat amateurish from misleading information on their site, the lack of apps for kickoff, to the at times condescending tone from the person(s) runnning their Twitter account.

PLP give the impression of a team of 4-5 Generation Y types kicking around in a trendy warehouse come office trying to be hip and cool.

I am fortunate I won a free season pass, but they'd do well to remember people pay for this service and expect a professional response.

I belong to a large football club in Ch-Ch and I'm amazed at how few people have signed up for PLP. Die hard football fans in the older generation find this all too difficult and make do with SKY and their Spurs TV/Arsenal TV etc.

Bottom line, I dislike the picture quality but like the iPad app! And arent fussed by the ability to watch when I want...

"You can never get a bloody tradesman at Easter, it's a wonder Jesus got crucified" - Karl Pilkington

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over 12 years ago

Good post. Can appreciate all of that, and some good points. 

Have you tried an Apple TV? That could work quite well for you on a Sunday morning by the sounds of it. i havent used one, so cant confirm if it is any good or not. Though yeah the lack of a fast forward button is frustrating. 

What is the iPhone remote app called? That'd come in handy for a lot of people, myself included 


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over 12 years ago

Cheers, the app is called 'Mouse Lite'


"You can never get a bloody tradesman at Easter, it's a wonder Jesus got crucified" - Karl Pilkington

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over 12 years ago
robags wrote:

I must say it was pretty handy being able to watch the liverpool game tuesday morning off my phone on the way to a course that started at 9 and stopping at the supermarket to grab a couple things all while watching the game.  Didn't get that with sky!  Pretty damn cool its the way it should be in this day and age.


Was that using mobile data? (e.g. 3G/4G)
How much data did you use watching the game?
I've only watched via terrestrial broadband (Wifi/and Ethernet cable) and been pretty happy so far, but heading away in a couple weeks time and hoping to watch a game on the go without it costing an arm and a leg

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over 12 years ago
michaelme wrote:
robags wrote:

I must say it was pretty handy being able to watch the liverpool game tuesday morning off my phone on the way to a course that started at 9 and stopping at the supermarket to grab a couple things all while watching the game.  Didn't get that with sky!  Pretty damn cool its the way it should be in this day and age.


Was that using mobile data? (e.g. 3G/4G)

How much data did you use watching the game?

I've only watched via terrestrial broadband (Wifi/and Ethernet cable) and been pretty happy so far, but heading away in a couple weeks time and hoping to watch a game on the go without it costing an arm and a leg

Yeah using 3g, Don't really know how much it used only watched the last 10 min after watching the earlier parts from home.  My plan has 3gb of data and I never use it all so didn't pay too much attention.  Watching a whole game would chew up just over a gig of data I believe.
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over 12 years ago

Just purchased MLB TV for the rest of the season for $10 (USD) since Its a crucial part of the season and ESPN aren't showing many games anymore now that the NFL (and occasionally champions league) has started.

Want to watch the rays wild card race! Plus the divisional series games that ESPN won't show (usually the national league ones)


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over 12 years ago
Junior82 wrote:
Frankie Mac wrote:
terminator_x wrote:

Yeah, but now you can watch it while sitting on the bog.


2 hours?  the pins and needles would be unbearable 


But if your team wins you will have two (good) results.



1. Pins?
2. Needles?


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over 12 years ago
Fitzy wrote:
Junior82 wrote:
Frankie Mac wrote:
terminator_x wrote:

Yeah, but now you can watch it while sitting on the bog.


2 hours?  the pins and needles would be unbearable 


But if your team wins you will have two (good) results.



1. Pins?

2. Needles?



hemorrhoids? 
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over 12 years ago · edited over 12 years ago · History

Had a look at this as a rough calculator for how much data watching a game would cost:

http://streamingmediahosting.com/support/calculator

streaming quality options for the android app are 150kbps / 240kpbs / 400 kbps / 800kbps / 1200kbps

Assuming a game is 110mins (90mins of the game + 20min of build up+halftime+added/fergie time) the data usage per game should be roughly:

130MB @150kbps

210MB @ 240kbps

347MB @ 400kbps

693MB @ 800kbps

1.04GB @ 1200kpbs


Not bad really.  

Just signed up with 2degrees who offer rollover minutes/data.  When I'm at work/home my phone connects via wifi so I barely scratch my 1.5GB per month, should still be able to keep up with footy while away on holiday in Summer without breaking the bank :)

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over 12 years ago
robags wrote:
Fitzy wrote:
Junior82 wrote:
Frankie Mac wrote:
terminator_x wrote:

Yeah, but now you can watch it while sitting on the bog.


2 hours?  the pins and needles would be unbearable 


But if your team wins you will have two (good) results.



1. Pins?

2. Needles?



hemorrhoids? 

2 hrs on the big and a win = a job well done

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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over 12 years ago
michaelme wrote:

Had a look at this as a rough calculator for how much data watching a game would cost:

http://streamingmediahosting.com/support/calculator

streaming quality options for the android app are 150kbps / 240kpbs / 400 kbps / 800kbps / 1200kbps

Assuming a game is 110mins (90mins of the game + 20min of build up+halftime+added/fergie time) the data usage per game should be roughly:

130MB @150kbps

210MB @ 240kbps

347MB @ 400kbps

693MB @ 800kbps

1.04GB @ 1200kpbs


Not bad really.  

Just signed up with 2degrees who offer rollover minutes/data.  When I'm at work/home my phone connects via wifi so I barely scratch my 1.5GB per month, should still be able to keep up with footy while away on holiday in Summer without breaking the bank :)

so by that calc you get one game at the best quality before you smash your monthly data cap???

Queenslander 3x a year.

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over 12 years ago · edited over 12 years ago · History
theprof wrote:
michaelme wrote:

Had a look at this as a rough calculator for how much data watching a game would cost:

http://streamingmediahosting.com/support/calculator

streaming quality options for the android app are 150kbps / 240kpbs / 400 kbps / 800kbps / 1200kbps

Assuming a game is 110mins (90mins of the game + 20min of build up+halftime+added/fergie time) the data usage per game should be roughly:

130MB @150kbps

210MB @ 240kbps

347MB @ 400kbps

693MB @ 800kbps

1.04GB @ 1200kpbs


Not bad really.  

Just signed up with 2degrees who offer rollover minutes/data.  When I'm at work/home my phone connects via wifi so I barely scratch my 1.5GB per month, should still be able to keep up with footy while away on holiday in Summer without breaking the bank :)

so by that calc you get one game at the best quality before you smash your monthly data cap???


Yeah but I've found if you're watching it on a tiny screen there's not too much point of going highest quality anyway.


800kbps looks good, 400kbps is passable (dodgy stream quality), 240kbps is pretty blurry, haven't dropped to 150kbps but I'd imagine it's probably only good for audio (listen whilst driving etc).


I barely use 3G data and it accumulates month on month, signed up for the phone a couple of weeks ago and my cap has crept up to 1.8GB so far.  By the time I'll need it I should have 5GB+


Good to be able to watch the odd game away from home, but not a replacement for watching on a big screen with decent sound.

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