English (and other British lower league) Football Discussion
4 people who don't watch English football not purchasing PLP doesn't equate to a problem. They're not the target audience.
Of course they are Tegal don't be naive
How are people who don't watch English football, the target audience for a football league in England?
Go back and look at my previous post Tegal but first take the blinkers off
The post you have since edited?
Even then, no way are people who don't watch english football the target audience for an english football league. You're talking nonsense.
Yes, Tegal the post I edited slightly because of grammar. Touché
Can confirm, an entire paragraph was added.
I think PLP should be targeting those four guys not because they like their football, but because buying PLP is a big way to say "F**k you" to Sky. That's why I subscribed to PLP last season, I don't really care about English Football until the end of the season when the A-League is over and the title race is close.
Expected better from a mod Patrick. Post it then
as well as a further edit of the current end paragraph about the comm games
Expected better from a mod Patrick. Post it then
I'm just posting fact, and the history stored on the server doesnt lie. The first version of the post was just:
"In a round about way I think you four have answered collesiums biggest problem. The four of you like your football and should be their target audience. You won't however pay extra money for it. However, when it was on sky I dare say you did watch it. Not getting up at 3am but perhaps waking up on a Sunday morning, hung over, having your bacon and eggs and switching on the tv and watching the second half of some game"
In a round about way I think you four have answered collesiums biggest problem. The four of you like your football and should be their target audience. You won't however pay extra money for it. However, when it was on sky I dare say you did watch it. Not getting up at 3am but perhaps waking up on a Sunday morning, hung over, having your bacon and eggs and switching on the tv and watching the second half of some game.
That is where sky works and why people have it. I would never buy an Internet package to watch the commonwealth games but hey if it was on in the evening when I was channel flicking, I would/have watch three hours of gymntastics if the women looked interesting
Didn't I say I only watched the 1 hour highlights package? And even then it's not religiously. Maybe 2/3 times a month. I prefer to watch A-league because I can probably name all the players and wtaching all the games in the round is manageable.
In a round about way I think you four have answered collesiums biggest problem. The four of you like your football and should be their target audience. You won't however pay extra money for it. However, when it was on sky I dare say you did watch it. Not getting up at 3am but perhaps waking up on a Sunday morning, hung over, having your bacon and eggs and switching on the tv and watching the second half of some game.
That is where sky works and why people have it. I would never buy an Internet package to watch the commonwealth games but hey if it was on in the evening when I was channel flicking, I would/have watch three hours of gymntastics if the women looked interesting
Didn't I say I only watched the 1 hour highlights package? And even then it's not religiously. Maybe 2/3 times a month. I prefer to watch A-league because I can probably name all the players and wtaching all the games in the round is manageable.
Sounds like you're just the kind of customer PLP are targeting. They'll be very concerned that you haven't signed up.
I think the idea that some start ups are going to overtake established players is pretty fanciful. SKY in NZ made $80mn profit, they have income of close to half a billion kiwi.
Just because barriers to entry are lower doesn't mean that a load of new players can afford to flood the market - huge outlay ina acquiring sporting rights.
You've missed the point. New players are coming in because rights owners have high value sporting rights that people want to watch. Going direct allows them to clip a bigger overall ticket, because they can set the market value of their sport/rights with the public, and not be bundled as part of an offering.
It's especially relevant for sports where multiple events happen simultaneously i.e 3pm kickoffs in the Premier League, where internet delivery can ensure customer choice.
I imagine the 'bigger' sports are very interested in the success (or not) of PLP, and it will be how Premier League rights end up being distributed more widely.
Name me one major sports that offers its product direct to the public in their main market. Does not happen - and it's not even happening here. PLP is just another form of pay TV. You guys are talking like pay television, which is built on sporting rights, is going to be dismantled overnight.
These companies are not just TV companies, they are media companies, in the UK SKY provide my TV, internet and telephone. There are all sorts of add ons, access to various catch up services etc. The SKY box is just a way to get their company into your home.
Do you think they would suddenly just accept losing sporting rights - the fact is it's probably worth more to them to buy football rights and use that as a way to get people to subscribe to their TV service and then sell them all their other products and services than it is for the premier league just to sell its premier league direct to people who will pay to watch premier league only. i.e. the pay TV companies can make more money off those rights than the rights holder can.
Normo's coming home
I really wanted to watch QPR this season. Might still yet. That text thing, is it still active. I might give it another try. I didn't get a reply at the first text.
The way they did it before spreading games over a few channels was fine and they would still be able to show 4 games live (unless Sky Sport 5 and 6 became more permanent then more), and then the rest straight after them.
The thing that really p*ssed me off when Sky had the rights was that although they had the ability to do what you have described here, they hardly ever did! Only very occasionally during the season would they show more than 2 games at once.
I would get so frustrated knowing a game I wanted to see was on live right now, but i had to wait another 2 hours or more to see it, even though multiple channels were being used for replays or other non-live sport content.
When it came down to it they were a monopoly and they knew it, they would take full advantage, and it was fricken annoying.
I'm in Patrick's boat, and I'm enjoying watching them squirm throughout this process and having to show frankly amateur commentators/presenters on club-dedicated channels to get any semblance of the football viewership.
I think the idea that some start ups are going to overtake established players is pretty fanciful. SKY in NZ made $80mn profit, they have income of close to half a billion kiwi.
Just because barriers to entry are lower doesn't mean that a load of new players can afford to flood the market - huge outlay ina acquiring sporting rights.
You've missed the point. New players are coming in because rights owners have high value sporting rights that people want to watch. Going direct allows them to clip a bigger overall ticket, because they can set the market value of their sport/rights with the public, and not be bundled as part of an offering.
It's especially relevant for sports where multiple events happen simultaneously i.e 3pm kickoffs in the Premier League, where internet delivery can ensure customer choice.
I imagine the 'bigger' sports are very interested in the success (or not) of PLP, and it will be how Premier League rights end up being distributed more widely.
Name me one major sports that offers its product direct to the public in their main market. Does not happen - and it's not even happening here. PLP is just another form of pay TV.
NFL through GamePass, MLB through MLB TV, NHL through Gamecenter, NBA through "LeaguePass" (Or are you deliberately ignoring the American market because it doesn't match your argument?)
Name me one major sports that offers its product direct to the public in their main market. Does not happen - and it's not even happening here. PLP is just another form of pay TV. You guys are talking like pay television, which is built on sporting rights, is going to be dismantled overnight.
MLB, NHL for two obvious examples.
I'm not saying overnight, but yes, paytv is in decline in some markets - the early adopters ones- movie channels are haemorrhaging to netflix. Why is sports any different? Content will be king, on demand is crucial. And this in a market where majority of connections are cable with huge bandwidth for the provider, not satellite!
http://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/first-ov...
On demand, and Live is what is the market seems to want for sports, not to be limited by fixed bandwidth broadcast channel delivery.
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These companies are not just TV companies, they are media companies, in the UK SKY provide my TV, internet and telephone. There are all sorts of add ons, access to various catch up services etc. The SKY box is just a way to get their company into your home.
Do you think they would suddenly just accept losing sporting rights - the fact is it's probably worth more to them to buy football rights and use that as a way to get people to subscribe to their TV service and then sell them all their other products and services than it is for the premier league just to sell its premier league direct to people who will pay to watch premier league only. i.e. the pay TV companies can make more money off those rights than the rights holder can.
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You're talking about the UK- a market where the premier league is not even available live (for the 3pm kick off games!). Do you think the PL controls the market and distribution, or Sky? (bear in mind sky don't even have all the games - BT have a portion as well).
Sky don't have to be wedded to satellite delivery, and like most monopolies/duopolies, they will exploit their market as long as they can for maximum profitability. History is littered with companies who did this for too long - wedded to a certain distribution method. Evolution is not compulsory, neither is survival.
Hell you could even add WWE to this, not truly Sports, but they are now also moving to a direct distrubution method as well.
Sounds like the peeps in Taiwan and the Philippines have the best all round deal.
A Sky type equivalent (ie another TV company has the rights) and then $49 for PLP.
Just tuned in but must have missed that. Could you summarise any points of note?
Edit: Ah he's still on taking questions from listeners now. Anything interesting he said before now?
If you go here - http://www.radiosport.co.nz/listen-on-demand/weeko...
You can listen to the interview, just choose Fri and then the 1000:1015 option to start with and then the subsequent ones until 11am.
I think some Gaelic football and hurling is broadcast online as well.
Just tuned in but must have missed that. Could you summarise any points of note?
Edit: Ah he's still on taking questions from listeners now. Anything interesting he said before now?
If you go here - http://www.radiosport.co.nz/listen-on-demand/weeko...
You can listen to the interview, just choose Fri and then the 1000:1015 option to start with and then the subsequent ones until 11am.
Thanks for that. I tuned in live about 10.30 when they did a bit of a phone in.
Listening to it, Marty Devlin isn't the most objective interviewer, he sounds like Tim Martin's best mate...said they're off to the US together to watch a NFL game later in the year.
Interesting interview though...
He's probably unlike 99.9 per cent of the population is not paying for it and has a freebie. Always amazes me that people support things that make them poorer.
I've just re-subscribed.
Interestingly most people who called the show hadn't purchased last season.
buying any product makes you poorer.
As I've said previously, I don't mind paying for better quality. That may not appeal to everybody, but that's the nature of any product.
Absolutely. My issue with this is that for me it has so far been worse quality.
Edit: Only just occured to me that I have only used it on Chrome as that's what I use for everything. Could Firefox have made a difference when connecting it to the TV? Doubt it as it was perfect on the laptop itself.
in terms of all games live and OD, plus the split screen being particularly useful for the final round. Plus more highlights and preview shows.
On my tv it's just as good, though yeah appreciate its weirdly stutters for you. Hopefully a playstation app is developed and that fixes the issue!
He's probably unlike 99.9 per cent of the population is not paying for it and has a freebie. Always amazes me that people support things that make them poorer.
Really? It's saving me money. Given me a reason to turn off sky, and choose what i want - detest the nature of sky's bundling. Would consider keep sky if i only had to pay for the sports channels - would prefer to be able to get them via skygo.
Really enjoying having access to other online options that guarantee the sports i want live.
If people are buying PLP to spite SKY you should not bother with PLP and just support the free football on Sommet. :)
If you are fanatical about the EPL or an EPL team then I see the PLP as good value (for some it might not be as good as user experience as they currently experience with Sky but not that bad). Though I don't yet see them anytime soon being willing or able to produce local content (I think they have said they don't envisage doing so in the future). So all local sport is still Sky's domain.
From Piney just now...
