As one of his loudest critics here, I need to congratulate Hudson on the teams performance on the 'tour'. Not for the results (even though they are great), but for how we played. We actually put into practice a lot of what he has been talking about since he took over, and I hope it continues as it is incredibly positive.
No one is saying you aren't entitled to your opinion, just thought I'd offer one from someone inside the camp who can give a different perspective than the conjecture all through this thread.
Not sure if this is a repetition of what you posted, or from another source and slightly different info, but this popped up on the stuff live feed for the game
Oct 12, 2016 3:08 PM
Ryan
A source has said that the players rate Hudson technically but say he has a bit to learn as a man manager, apparently he's making up for it though apologising personally to the players for some of the issues that have happened and also talking to the players often even if they're not in the squad.
No one is saying you aren't entitled to your opinion, just thought I'd offer one from someone inside the camp who can give a different perspective than the conjecture all through this thread.
Not sure if this is a repetition of what you posted, or from another source and slightly different info, but this popped up on the stuff live feed for the game
Oct 12, 2016 3:08 PM
Ryan
A source has said that the players rate Hudson technically but say he has a bit to learn as a man manager, apparently he's making up for it though apologising personally to the players for some of the issues that have happened and also talking to the players often even if they're not in the squad.
That's a pretty good summary of my initial post, and I doubt anyone else has the source!
Valley FC til I die?
Yeah that was me, didn't want to link back here as the source was compromised.
Its allgood, I wouldn't post it on here if I didn't want people to talk about it
Valley FC til I die?
Seems I too owe Anthony Hudson a apology. We really look a decent side now. Problem was, we looked anything but a good side in the Oceania Nations and got through that by sheer luck. I get that the conditions over there were difficult etc but it really was awful viewing. Still, a good coach can adapt to situations and AH is proving himself to be a very good coach. Well done him and his squad.
Its interesting how we had different tactics against USA than we did against Mexico. Not something you usually see with an All Whites team..
a.haak
although i think it may have been a case of us getting dragged around less today
mexico are very fluid, play 3 back and keep 3 up at all times with a 4th joining them most of the time (giovanni). pretty awkward to play against
Given how well we have played over the last two games... perhaps we as a collective have really underestimated how hard it is over in New Caledonia etc to play and all the rhetoric is actually simply fact.
Its just so hard to reconcile our games in qualifying for the Confeds to this.
Well, his teams were rank for a long while there. Losing to Thailand 'C' was a low point. Honiara and Port Moresby had one difference- we snuck through in the end in the later. Otherwise in both we watched the islands play all the football.
Overall the AWs looked the part here.
I think though that this team needs some strikers. At least two more goal scorers. If we go with Ernie's theory of the 6 yard goal scoring. Noticed Wood shooting long a lot in this game, but needed someone to make runs in the box or be strong and hold off players to slot Kosta's delivery in. IMO. Patterson and Wood had some good combination play, but too much outside the box I think.
Great to watch- seems like the players have buy-in and Reid is a beast. We need him. Dura, Themi and Boxall are all of good experience and I'm sure Tommy will be welcomed back, though where he'd play is a question after the last two games.
Marinovic is back to being human after a long perfect streak- has to fight now each game and to keep Gleeson out. I hope he can get a better team. They are both good keepers.
Hudson has apparently taught Tommy Smith some humility. Maybe he is the Chosen one.
Hudson has apparently taught Tommy Smith some humility. Maybe he is the Chosen one.
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
I hope his back injury comes right before March! Hmmm
Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet
Gosh what a difference two average performances against New Caledonia make, in the nearly always crappy OFC qualifying games. Who cares if the AWs don't play the Island nations off the park. As long as they get through to the South American playoff matches - ugly win or ugly draw.
A true judge of how they are really tracking will come when they play quality opponents (like Mexico & USA) - the players are highly motivated and hopefully Reid is available. Bring on the Confeds Cup
We seem to be about as good as whoever we play. When we play the Island teams we look poor, and when we played Mexico and the US we looked good. I'm looking forward to watching the WC playoff vs Argentina and seeing Moses Dyer reaching Messi levels of skill.
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
We seem to be about as good as whoever we play. When we play the Island teams we look poor, and when we played Mexico and the US we looked good. I'm looking forward to watching the WC playoff vs Argentina and seeing Moses Dyer reaching Messi levels of skill.
Grumpy old bastard alert
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We seem to be about as good as whoever we play. When we play the Island teams we look poor, and when we played Mexico and the US we looked good. I'm looking forward to watching the WC playoff vs Argentina and seeing Moses Dyer reaching Messi levels of skill.
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
I remember the past 18 or so AW coaches and although there were no forums etc., Hudson is certainly one of the most controversial.
The thing that gets me the most is that he picks players that are actually less than average.
If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid
i always liked iain marshall. he conducted himself with little fuss and put together a team of real men who formed a good strong unit.
he didn't hand out caps for the sake of it or to fill an agenda.
his team became a hard team to crack; you had to be really good to get into his squads and some felt unfairly so because many very good players never got a look in
What gets me is that he started his strongest team in the most favourable conditions for us. If anything, I would have thought he would have started his best team in the island and get the result there and then take a chance on some of the others at home in conditions more favourable to them.
Grumpy old bastard alert
I remember the past 18 or so AW coaches and although there were no forums etc., Hudson is certainly one of the most controversial.
The thing that gets me the most is that he picks players that are actually less than average.
Guessing Joe McGrath would be at the top of that list...?
The kind of mediocre coaching we're seeing from Hudson is what you'd expect from a guy who has minimal coaching experience.
It seemed a strange decision to appoint someone whose experience consisted of a couple of modest seasons coaching in the US third tier, followed by being sacked twelve games into his first full season at an English non-league club due to losing most of their games, then a couple of years coaching Bahrain's u-23 side at a time when no foreign coaches would touch the job due to government interference in the side and the jailing of national representative players. Hudson coached the Bahrain senior national side after its foreign coaches left the country but only for the last couple of qualifying games for the 2015 Asian Cup when the team had already done enough to qualify under its previous two foreign coaches who had quit.
Hudson's at the kind of level coaching-wise where he should be working as an assistant to someone more experienced and not in sole charge of a team. Or else coaching an Island team.
His team selections are so frustrating with kids who haven't merited selection based on domestic performance being chosen over overseas professionals, players like Thomas played out of position, a seasoned Greek Super League veteran sitting on the bench etc.
Could we swap coaches with PNG's veteran Dane, Flemming Serritslev? (Denmark u-21 record: 21 wins, 8 draws, 8 losses)
I'd imagine his scouting of players, team selections, man management and tactics would be a big improvement on Hudson's...
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I think the players we have are well suited to playing reactive, counterattacking football but not so suited to dominating a game and breaking down a defensive opponent. So we look better against sides that better than us.
Playing to the opposition's level is quite common for kiwi teams. It is as if each game is a new story and there is an element of us grappling to to get handle of the plot in order for us to be allowed to build some form of concerted pressure.
A fan is a fan.
The kind of mediocre coaching we're seeing from Hudson is what you'd expect from a guy who has minimal coaching experience.
It seemed a strange decision to appoint someone whose experience consisted of a couple of modest seasons coaching in the US third tier, followed by being sacked twelve games into his first full season at an English non-league club due to losing most of their games, then a couple of years coaching Bahrain's u-23 side at a time when no foreign coaches would touch the job due to government interference in the side and the jailing of national representative players. Hudson coached the Bahrain senior national side after its foreign coaches left the country but only for the last couple of qualifying games for the 2015 Asian Cup when the team had already done enough to qualify under its previous two foreign coaches who had quit.
Hudson's at the kind of level coaching-wise where he should be working as an assistant to someone more experienced and not in sole charge of a team. Or else coaching an Island team.
His team selections are so frustrating with kids who haven't merited selection based on domestic performance being chosen over overseas professionals, players like Thomas played out of position, a seasoned Greek Super League veteran sitting on the bench etc.
Could we swap coaches with PNG's veteran Dane, Flemming Serritslev? (Denmark u-21 record: 21 wins, 8 draws, 8 losses)
I'd imagine his scouting of players, team selections, man management and tactics would be a big improvement on Hudson's...
To get to the point, what you are saying is the guy is an imposter and we should get rid of him. I agree.
If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid
Was it an experienced panel of visionary football experts who appointed him?
Kotahitanga. We are one.
I think the players we have are well suited to playing reactive, counterattacking football but not so suited to dominating a game and breaking down a defensive opponent. So we look better against sides that better than us.
Playing to the opposition's level is quite common for kiwi teams. It is as if each game is a new story and there is an element of us grappling to to get handle of the plot in order for us to be allowed to build some form of concerted pressure.
New Caledonia didn't completely play reactively against us though, but they did target out midfield for pressure to try and swarm, but because they also defended deep if we managed to get the ball to our wide fast players they still didn't have space to run into so we just ran out of options.
I also think though that there's a crippling fear of failure against the Island teams now which makes our guys panic and resort to agricultural football. PTSD from the Horror in Honiara maybe.
People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.
I thought we looked like we wanted to play a possesion game in the first leg. Parts of that performance gave me hope (in terms of the players executing a game plan that aligned with what the coach has described as the type of football he likes)I don't understand the team selections for the second game, except for rotating the squad. There is a concensus on here that some of those players wern't up to it. Let's hope Hudson sees that too.
I like Thomas, Lewis, Tuiloma has impressed me more recently (brings brawn which we lack), McGlinchey was outstanding in North America.
We can still be Chile 2.0!
A fan is a fan.
Was it an experienced panel of visionary football experts who appointed him?
LOL!
"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...
I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...
Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...
Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."
...We can still be Chile 2.0!
Dreaming under Hudson.
He's had dinner with Bielsa.
LOL
Hudsons attacking football is light years away from the Bielsa method. The odd thing for me is the AW's have played quite a lot of hoof ball recently. When you consider the style of football that guys like Thomas, Rojas, Costa, weemac etc are playing at club level then hoof ball is totally alien to them. Which is probably why they look so bad at it. Hudson promised Beilsa style...high pressing, quick transfer of the ball etc etc but he appears unable to coach it. This current group of players seem to me to have the skill set to play a version of this style.
Hudson promised Beilsa style...high pressing, quick transfer of the ball etc etc but he appears unable to coach it.
So basically he's not very adaptable, nor is he any good.
Well i'm stunned.
Three for me, and two for them.
well... Bielsa was knocked out first round at 2002 WC, the worst result for argentina in 40 years