Really hope I'm wrong, but with Waineo back to the bench this morning and PV signing big unit Faal (1.96m) on loan from Wrexham, could see this going similar to Mansfield Town. From memory at MT, Waine started a few games early on, didn't really grab his opportunities, and then was very much a bit part player.
Very early days and hope I'm wrong, but he needs to score or have an assist or two soonest you feel. Has to offer more than just a high work rate, and working his butt off.
Really hope I'm wrong, but with Waineo back to the bench this morning and PV signing big unit Faal (1.96m) on loan from Wrexham, could see this going similar to Mansfield Town. From memory at MT, Waine started a few games early on, didn't really grab his opportunities, and then was very much a bit part player.
Very early days and hope I'm wrong, but he needs to score or have an assist or two soonest you feel. Has to offer more than just a high work rate, and working his butt off.
Just come back to Welly and get some minutes and goals. Enough of the on at 77.
Port Vale fans sounded really positive after the game, seemingly against a playoff favourite for a team just promoted. Championship has to be the level where you say it's comfortably better to be in than the A League you think? It's probably a very big season for the direction of his career, depending on if he want to persist in England at lower leagues or if he can keep developing and pushing higher
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There new signing Faal being the 60 minute sub, leaving waine on the bench. Shades of last season. Yes very concerning. Two late goals 88 and 90+ minutes sinking the Villians. Waine will be gutted if he sits on the bench right through the international window. Bring him home !!!!
Still young and I think he made the right decision to try another season there. But yeah you as a striker need to offer more than just a high work rate.
He’s had starts at 3 clubs there now, and really not provided goals or assists. But it’s a long season and an injury or two may provide an opportunity
Maybe it’s time he reinvented himself as a RWB, I’ve always liked his energy and the fact that even as a striker he does abit of defending. Also I have a feeling that during his time at the Nix maybe he got tried here during an injury crisis….. maybe he was shark at it?
Maybe it’s time he reinvented himself as a RWB, I’ve always liked his energy and the fact that even as a striker he does abit of defending. Also I have a feeling that during his time at the Nix maybe he got tried here during an injury crisis….. maybe he was shark at it?
Him and Sotirio played a game or two there during the Chatswood injury crisis.
He’s still best placed as a striker, but needs to actually play. He should come back home on loan (although he still won’t score many with the team we’ve got presently).
Yeah, I've never seen two fan bases bond so much over slagging off a player (argyle and PV). They've had no reason to be impressed yet. Least touches of anyone on the pitch who played the full 90 today, and needless to say offered nothing unfortunately. Couldn't have any impact at Mansfield last year either at the same level.
Honestly watching him today, looked like he hasn't really grown as a player since he left us which is a worry. League One is absolutely a tougher league than the A-League, but he really has not kicked on.
Hoping he can get that first goal, boost his confidence, and go from there. Last season or two has been tough for him so the psychological battle will be the big one.
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Bang on both points. It’s been nearly 3 years since he left and he still looks the same player.
The UK is a tough tough out though at all levels. Anyone that thinks A League is League one level is oblivious and just a suck off for the league.
The pressure of promotion/relegation definitely impacts it too for players. You’re going from the a league which has zero pressure to English Football that has players fighting for their lives week in week out.
That’s coming from someone that thinks the A League is a vastly improving level too and gets too much stick.
This is probably Waine’s last straw in the English pyramid this season and if he doesn’t kick on then he might be looking at a return home or elsewhere.
We need someone to pick up the mantle after Woodsy and so far it’s not looking promising at all. Struggling L1 player and Mata at L2 both now aged 24/25 not getting any younger and both have stagnated the last few years. Jazzy Jeff
Yeah, I've never seen two fan bases bond so much over slagging off a player (argyle and PV). They've had no reason to be impressed yet. Least touches of anyone on the pitch who played the full 90 today, and needless to say offered nothing unfortunately. Couldn't have any impact at Mansfield last year either at the same level.
Honestly watching him today, looked like he hasn't really grown as a player since he left us which is a worry. League One is absolutely a tougher league than the A-League, but he really has not kicked on.
I think Waine just needs a goal or two, a bit of luck, and he can get through this rut.
The tough reality is that Professional football (UK in particular), is ruthlessly cut-throat.
But I do believe he just needs to get on the scoreboard, so to speak, and earn a consistent spot in the starting 11. That, and say 7-12 goals plus a few assists would be a successful season in my books and something to build upon.
He played well last night, his pace behind the line was great. He had opportunities and got fouled by the last defender, but couldn't convert into points. Just needs someone to give him time.
He played well last night, his pace behind the line was great. He had opportunities and got fouled by the last defender, but couldn't convert into points. Just needs someone to give him time.
That’s the other consideration- what service is he getting? When Wood wasn’t getting the ball from Brennan Johnson people were thinking his career was over. But yeh I guess we’ll see.
Bang on both points. It’s been nearly 3 years since he left and he still looks the same player.
The UK is a tough tough out though at all levels. Anyone that thinks A League is League one level is oblivious and just a suck off for the league.
The pressure of promotion/relegation definitely impacts it too for players. You’re going from the a league which has zero pressure to English Football that has players fighting for their lives week in week out.
That’s coming from someone that thinks the A League is a vastly improving level too and gets too much stick.
This is probably Waine’s last straw in the English pyramid this season and if he doesn’t kick on then he might be looking at a return home or elsewhere.
We need someone to pick up the mantle after Woodsy and so far it’s not looking promising at all. Struggling L1 player and Mata at L2 both now aged 24/25 not getting any younger and both have stagnated the last few years. Jazzy Jeff
Yeah, I've never seen two fan bases bond so much over slagging off a player (argyle and PV). They've had no reason to be impressed yet. Least touches of anyone on the pitch who played the full 90 today, and needless to say offered nothing unfortunately. Couldn't have any impact at Mansfield last year either at the same level.
Honestly watching him today, looked like he hasn't really grown as a player since he left us which is a worry. League One is absolutely a tougher league than the A-League, but he really has not kicked on.
you can't take one player and extrapolate it for two entire leagues. There are players that have gone straight from the AL to leagues higher in quality than league one - that's not going to be THE barometer for the quality of either league.
Bang on both points. It’s been nearly 3 years since he left and he still looks the same player.
The UK is a tough tough out though at all levels. Anyone that thinks A League is League one level is oblivious and just a suck off for the league.
The pressure of promotion/relegation definitely impacts it too for players. You’re going from the a league which has zero pressure to English Football that has players fighting for their lives week in week out.
That’s coming from someone that thinks the A League is a vastly improving level too and gets too much stick.
This is probably Waine’s last straw in the English pyramid this season and if he doesn’t kick on then he might be looking at a return home or elsewhere.
We need someone to pick up the mantle after Woodsy and so far it’s not looking promising at all. Struggling L1 player and Mata at L2 both now aged 24/25 not getting any younger and both have stagnated the last few years. Jazzy Jeff
Yeah, I've never seen two fan bases bond so much over slagging off a player (argyle and PV). They've had no reason to be impressed yet. Least touches of anyone on the pitch who played the full 90 today, and needless to say offered nothing unfortunately. Couldn't have any impact at Mansfield last year either at the same level.
Honestly watching him today, looked like he hasn't really grown as a player since he left us which is a worry. League One is absolutely a tougher league than the A-League, but he really has not kicked on.
you can't take one player and extrapolate it for two entire leagues. There are players that have gone straight from the AL to leagues higher in quality than league one - that's not going to be THE barometer for the quality of either league.
What level do you think the A-League is comparable to then?
I don't think it would to be that dissimilar from the league 1 but the quality within squads is greater in the AL - so you may come up against someone above L1 level in a game at the same time you will likely come up against someone maybe not at L1 level. The number of games at league 1 probably put a certain strain on squads that you would not experience here.
A metric, opta power rankings, puts 5 alm teams in the 24 for L1, and for instance Perth basically equivalent to bottom of L2 https://theanalyst.com/articles/who-are-the-best-football-team-in-the-world-opta-power-rankings
It's probably changed a bit from his days in the A League, but Paul Ifill said with the ALM he'd never played in a league with such a wide range of player quality. From guys that could easily play in The Championship, to guys who would only be down in the National league (5th tier) in the UK. It was pretty well quoted reference by Ifill at the time??
I guess that's sort of a factor of being the only full time pro league, in these parts. No five tiered pyramid structure, that filters all the players to about their true level over time.
A League perhaps similar in some ways to the early days of the MLS?? When Beckham went to LA Galaxy in 2007, he was frustated by how poor many of his team mates were. Some of them were even part time from memory.
It's probably changed a bit from his days in the A League, but Paul Ifill said with the ALM he'd never played in a league with such a wide range of player quality. From guys that could easily play in The Championship, to guys who would only be down in the National league (5th tier) in the UK. It was pretty well quoted reference by Ifill at the time??
I guess that's sort of a factor of being the only full time pro league, in these parts. No five tiered pyramid structure, that filters all the players to about their true level over time.
A League perhaps similar in some ways to the early days of the MLS?? When Beckham went to LA Galaxy in 2007, he was frustated by how poor many of his team mates were. Some of them were even part time from memory.
Yea, also the lifestyle pull for a lot of foreign players of elite quality (i.e., Broich, Fornarolli, Davila - in their primes would all be top 10 league players imo).
There's no real lifestyle pull for a Brazilian to go to Stevenage FC.
Also marque salaries in the A-league have historically allowed some clubs to afford top quality players.
So agree, re the wide range of quality in the A-league.
It's probably changed a bit from his days in the A League, but Paul Ifill said with the ALM he'd never played in a league with such a wide range of player quality. From guys that could easily play in The Championship, to guys who would only be down in the National league (5th tier) in the UK. It was pretty well quoted reference by Ifill at the time??
I guess that's sort of a factor of being the only full time pro league, in these parts. No five tiered pyramid structure, that filters all the players to about their true level over time.
A League perhaps similar in some ways to the early days of the MLS?? When Beckham went to LA Galaxy in 2007, he was frustated by how poor many of his team mates were. Some of them were even part time from memory.
That’s kind of funny. Part of the reason squad quality was low was rather than improve overall they splurged their money on a galatico.
Unused sub as PV lose 1-0 to Birmingham City in the League Cup. Gauci in goal for PV
Other way round - was a 1-0 win for Vale! Big scalp for them, and apparently a fantastic performance from Gauci in net. Villa fans are understandably rapt that one of their own managed to help pull that off
