Kiwi Players Elsewhere

Marko Stamenic (Swansea City | Wales)

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16 Jul 00:12
Will be an interesting watch to see how this one pans out.

Stamenic made it quite clear last year he has no intentions of playing in the Championship.

Olympiacos taking him back would be odd considering they played him basically no meaningful minutes last season, unless they’re enforced by big boss Marinakis to take him on.

We need him playing heavy minutes heading into the World Cup next year. If that’s at Olympiacos or another T5 League side elsewhere. 

mrsmiis
Seems there’s a possibility he’ll head on another loan to Olympiakos this season. Really not ideal, that. Greek fans don’t rate him at all, but Marko really wants the move
16 Jul 02:26
His last few appearances were better at Olympiacos.
16 Jul 02:37
I don’t quite understand his aversion to the championship.

It would be better quality than the Danish, Serbian and Greek leagues.




Auckland will rise once more

16 Jul 02:51
yeah tbh I had similar thoughts but watching the Greek league last season it was a lot more competitive top to bottom than I first anticipated it would be. The Bottom half teams are are very physical and hard to break down when they tend to sit deep from minute 1.

With the taste of UCL early in his career I can understand why he chooses the leagues he has. European football is hard to turn down when it’s put out infront of you. Although I do think a championship season for him would be great.

Preferably I’ve always wanted to see him in like a mid table Serie A / Bundesliga side. Think he would thrive in that kind of environment. He’s played for some powerhouse clubs like Oly, Red Star and FCK where starts aren’t easy to come by consistently. 
AucklandPhoenix
I don’t quite understand his aversion to the championship.

It would be better quality than the Danish, Serbian and Greek leagues.



16 Jul 03:47 · edited 16 Jul 04:09 · History
Of little to no relevance, but just to get under the skins of those who think football begins and ends in England.

Last major football title
1966 Ingerland
1992 Denmark
2004 Greece

Hell lets use some artistic licence and give Czechoslovakia's 1976 Euros title to Yugoslavia/Serbia!! The final was in Belgrade
Yugoslavia were beaten Euros finalists in 1960 & 1968


I would truth be told also like to see Stamenic in The Championship. If just because it would be easier to watch highlights of his games. But yeah if he sees a return to Olympiakos as being best for him trust his judgement. I'm sure he's had a bit of a talk to his AWs skipper and Forest team mate.
16 Jul 07:56
I agree, though the championship has a pretty broad range - his future prospects after a successful season with a Birmingham or a Southampton would be quite different to one with a Derby County or an Oxford United. But yes, agree that a wholesale dismissal of the championship is odd. 
16 Jul 08:35
Think Championship could be good for Stamenic for the simple fact that he'd get massive exposure in the U.K., esp to Premier league clubs and scouts. 

Have a breakout season there and he'd probably land a first team spot at a PL team (either through a transfer or Forrest calling him back and playing him).

I think it's a great training ground for young players wanting to break into the premier league. I guess the higher tier European leagues and clubs like Olympiakos probably fulfil a similar role, but maybe less visible to PL teams/coaches etc.
16 Jul 19:38
Why would Marko be keen to return to Olympiacos? Apart from Athens being a wonderful city, the coach didn't rate him all that much last season? Has there been a change? He could do worse than the first tier in Greece, but at the same time he could do a whole lot better

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16 Jul 19:42 · edited 16 Jul 19:42 · History
I’m sure Athens would be a better place to live then Middlesbrough but he didn’t  tear up trees in Greece and if a championship club was interested I think he should bite their hand off.

Auckland will rise once more

16 Jul 20:06
If he was to go back to Olympiacos then you could imagine he’s been told that he’ll have a bigger role than he did last season. 

I can’t imagine why logically it’d be a good idea for Olympiacos to keep him on the bench as his value keeps on dropping. 
16 Jul 21:41 · edited 16 Jul 21:41 · History
newzealandpower
Why would Marko be keen to return to Olympiacos? Apart from Athens being a wonderful city, the coach didn't rate him all that much last season? Has there been a change? He could do worse than the first tier in Greece, but at the same time he could do a whole lot better

Spot on. 
Going to the Champ makes a lot more sense. He's signed for an English club, a country he has never played in before. Why not go to a Championship side, and learn about some physical football, where the season is a bit of a slog - rather than playing against, I dunno.....Volos FC. Who? Exactly. How is that preparing him for playing in the EPL.....
17 Jul 00:48
And Championship is such a long season he’s going to get some game time. 

But again, like Libby, you imagine rainy cold Britain doesn’t compare much to the climate of Athens! 


17 Jul 01:29
martinb
And Championship is such a long season he’s going to get some game time. 

But again, like Libby, you imagine rainy cold Britain doesn’t compare much to the climate of Athens! 

yeah Championship squad limitations will require the full 25 players through the year.  46 games for the league is brutal for anyone! Add any extra cup competitions then you're playing a tonne of footy in a 10 month window.

Queenslander 3x a year.

17 Jul 01:50 · edited 17 Jul 01:52 · History
Rusty Dunks
newzealandpower
Why would Marko be keen to return to Olympiacos? Apart from Athens being a wonderful city, the coach didn't rate him all that much last season? Has there been a change? He could do worse than the first tier in Greece, but at the same time he could do a whole lot better

Spot on. 
Going to the Champ makes a lot more sense. He's signed for an English club, a country he has never played in before. Why not go to a Championship side, and learn about some physical football, where the season is a bit of a slog - rather than playing against, I dunno.....Volos FC. Who? Exactly. How is that preparing him for playing in the EPL.....

Yes but Olympiakos also have Champions League football, so whoever from PSG, Man City, Real Madrid, Inter, Barca, Bayern etc. Then once the Athens team are out of that, maybe some Europa or UEFA Conference league stuff in 2026.

I imagine alot depends on whether the coaching staff at Olympiakos are promising Marko more game time this season, and what is happening to 18 yr old midfield star Christos Mouzakitis. Is he leaving Athens or staying
17 Jul 01:54
I don’t think clubs drop down anymore to europa etc if they are eliminated from the champions league after group stage.

Hopefully seeing Libby being signed by a championship club opens his eyes. 

Auckland will rise once more

17 Jul 02:10
Once teams are eliminated out of Europe that’s it no dropping down like the old days.

But you made my point, it’s quite hard to turn down UCL Football especially if the coaches have had a chat with him about what his role could look like. End of last season both parties seemed to be fully set on mutually parting ways but it seems something may have changed.

I’d rather play 8 guaranteed UCL games and potentially more if they make the top 24 which is very much possible to, then play in a wet miserable evening in Preston on a Wednesday night. 
coochiee
Rusty Dunks
newzealandpower
Why would Marko be keen to return to Olympiacos? Apart from Athens being a wonderful city, the coach didn't rate him all that much last season? Has there been a change? He could do worse than the first tier in Greece, but at the same time he could do a whole lot better

Spot on. 
Going to the Champ makes a lot more sense. He's signed for an English club, a country he has never played in before. Why not go to a Championship side, and learn about some physical football, where the season is a bit of a slog - rather than playing against, I dunno.....Volos FC. Who? Exactly. How is that preparing him for playing in the EPL.....

Yes but Olympiakos also have Champions League football, so whoever from PSG, Man City, Real Madrid, Inter, Barca, Bayern etc. Then once the Athens team are out of that, maybe some Europa or UEFA Conference league stuff in 2026.

I imagine alot depends on whether the coaching staff at Olympiakos are promising Marko more game time this season, and what is happening to 18 yr old midfield star Christos Mouzakitis. Is he leaving Athens or staying
17 Jul 02:23 · edited 17 Jul 03:00 · History
 Dont think it matters what European competition Olympiakos are in  unless he can secure a promise of some decent game time whats the point of going there to sit on the bench. Surely he has to be better off getting decent game time in the Championship than getting splinters.

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17 Jul 05:45
coochiee
Rusty Dunks
newzealandpower
Why would Marko be keen to return to Olympiacos? Apart from Athens being a wonderful city, the coach didn't rate him all that much last season? Has there been a change? He could do worse than the first tier in Greece, but at the same time he could do a whole lot better

Spot on. 
Going to the Champ makes a lot more sense. He's signed for an English club, a country he has never played in before. Why not go to a Championship side, and learn about some physical football, where the season is a bit of a slog - rather than playing against, I dunno.....Volos FC. Who? Exactly. How is that preparing him for playing in the EPL.....

Yes but Olympiakos also have Champions League football, so whoever from PSG, Man City, Real Madrid, Inter, Barca, Bayern etc. Then once the Athens team are out of that, maybe some Europa or UEFA Conference league stuff in 2026.

I imagine alot depends on whether the coaching staff at Olympiakos are promising Marko more game time this season, and what is happening to 18 yr old midfield star Christos Mouzakitis. Is he leaving Athens or staying

And ACFC had Boca, Benfica, and Bayern.......doesn't make it worthwhile playing for them. Your domestic league is your bread and butter football. 
17 Jul 05:57
ACFC got 3 games

Olympiakos will have min 8 UCL games, plus as someone posted above more, if they finish within the top 24 of 36 teams in the League phase

Basically can see it all coming down to what sort of playing time Marko thinks he’ll get in Athens, and who’s coming and going there.
20 Jul 00:28
Gets a half of football for Forest in pre-season. Who knows? Maybe he’ll be getting EPL minutes next season…


20 Jul 00:38
Was in the starting XI last week, relegated to the second half XI this week (with a fair few first teamers returning)
20 Jul 00:57 · edited 20 Jul 00:58 · History
I see they recently sold a central midfielder to a Brazilian team for 12 million quid, so the longer he can hang around the scene getting minutes the better.

Forest also have some serious work to do in the transfer market replacing Elanga and likely Gibbs White, which while not in his posi will take their initial focus.

Auckland will rise once more

20 Jul 00:59 · edited 20 Jul 01:01 · History
Taking views off Fan Forums, meh.
What were the scribblings on here after Ball & Davila's first Nix outings.

Edit - some serious money these days in Brazilian football.
20 Jul 01:54
Yeah sentiment was a lot more positive online today re: Marko. One guy even saying he’s an upgrade on Danilo who they just sold to Botafogo for £12 million
20 Jul 01:58
90% of the fans are saying he was very good. Some even calling for him to stay on as they think he’s better than Danilo who just left and could be a great backup for Sangere. 

I don’t think the rumours of him going back to Olympiacos are real. They’ve signed a couple midfielders in his position this window and I don’t think they’ve gotten rid of any yet. 

Unless Mouzakitas is sold and they see Stamenić playing in a No10 role… 

Stamenić being able to hold his own at Forest does not surprise me at all. He’s more than capable and it’s no fluke that he’s played at the biggest club in each of Greece, Serbia and Denmark…. 
20 Jul 09:04 · edited 20 Jul 09:05 · History
Sh817
90% of the fans are saying he was very good. Some even calling for him to stay on as they think he’s better than Danilo who just left and could be a great backup for Sangere. 

I don’t think the rumours of him going back to Olympiacos are real. They’ve signed a couple midfielders in his position this window and I don’t think they’ve gotten rid of any yet. 

Unless Mouzakitas is sold and they see Stamenić playing in a No10 role… 

Stamenić being able to hold his own at Forest does not surprise me at all. He’s more than capable and it’s no fluke that he’s played at the biggest club in each of Greece, Serbia and Denmark…. 

The forum I was reading was saying he has no place in the epl 😞

But then one sensible fan said... it's way too early to judge him.
20 Jul 23:48
Brutal from expectations from fans for a club that has been avoiding relegation the last few years. They have one good season in the last how many years?
22 Jul 19:57
Hasn’t been with Forest in Portugal the last few days. Not with Olympiacos in Netherlands either. 

Has to be a loan deal close to getting done somewhere for him to not have gone to Portugal. 
27 Jul 05:33
Didnt feature in squad for game against Fulham which featured a string of u21’s. Hopefully a move shortly so he doesn’t miss to much time to establish himself at new club 
02 Aug 21:34
Worst of both worlds for Marko. Not spending much time with the first team and also not securing a loan nice and early so he can have a good preseason
05 Aug 18:54 · edited 05 Aug 18:55 · History
Back in the team on the bench for today’s friendly 
05 Aug 19:13
I wonder if they are going to keep him around for the season

Auckland will rise once more

05 Aug 20:04
AucklandPhoenix
I wonder if they are going to keep him around for the season
I was wondering if maybe he picked up a injury which is why he got left out of the trip?
05 Aug 20:20
9 days out from the start of the season, it's probably a good indication that he is in their thoughts at least.

No point giving mins to a player this close to the season proper if you are not looking to play them/keep them around.
05 Aug 20:59 · edited 05 Aug 21:04 · History
70'
Four more changes for the Reds: Carmo, Stamenic, Awoniyi & Morato replace, Wood, Jesus, Murillo & Williams.

... decent minutes. Finished 0 - 0, but not so good for Forest, only scoring a single goal (header from Wood) in 6 pre-season games so far.
YellowAndBlack
Back in the team on the bench for today’s friendly 
05 Aug 23:17 · edited 05 Aug 23:18 · History
Encouraging footage.


06 Aug 00:17
But how did he go?