My concern though is he's be brought into play simply for the fact that he was the intended recipient of the pass.
My concern though is he's be brought into play simply for the fact that he was the intended recipient of the pass.
If he does not distract or prevent the defender from getting to the ball then it doesn't matter.
Given the information I've been presented with here, I can't see any way how the player in question could be penalised for offside under the current application of the law.
Yeah not sure if I've explained it perfectly, but the way I saw it was he only came back on side so that he could get goal side to defend our defender.
My issue is the whole "coming back onside". For me it shouldn't matter. If you were offside and you affect the immediate play then it should be called, regardless of whether or not you curved your run back onside first.
The issue then becomes what is the 'immediate play' and I guess I'm expecting a reasonable advantage, just like with any advantage played.
But as I said, that's how I think it should be. No idea if that is how the law works.
Cheers for the answers though.
My issue is the whole "coming back onside". For me it shouldn't matter. If you were offside and you affect the immediate play then it should be called, regardless of whether or not you curved your run back onside first.
The issue then becomes what is the 'immediate play' and I guess I'm expecting a reasonable advantage, just like with any advantage played.
But as I said, that's how I think it should be. No idea if that is how the law works.
Cheers for the answers though.
Fair enough, it's not like the offside law has never had its controversies. But like I said, under the current application of the law and guidelines for the referees, I can't see how a player in the situation you've described can be penalised for offside.
Think EG's got it pretty much spot on. What you have to remember is that a player can be in an offside position without being offside!
So much easier in the good old days.
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
There is nothing in the LotG stating that the referee has to wait for the player to get into his position before restarting play. But obviously a degree of common sense has to enter into the equation at times (especially with goalkeepers coming on).
And this is where I think the whole Little sending off episode started. The player being subbed off (Batty) was on the far post at the time. He ran all the way to halfway for the sub to happen, Little asked the ref to allow the substitute enough time to take his position, the ref looked at Little, and blew for play to carry on immediatly. Pretty disappointing, but consistant with showing no card following the awarding of a penalty, when the last defender bundled Terry over 10 yards inside the box. Head scratching all round.
The penalty didn't warrant a card. I think this highlights a lack of understanding of the rules around "sending off the last man". It has to be an obvious goal scoring opportunity, and it certainly wasn't.
It was a peculiar time to make a substitution, at a defensive corner. The referee was correct, as far as I can tell, to restart play as soon as the substitute entered the field of play. So this is perhaps more of a question for your coaching staff than the referee.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
The penalty didn't warrant a card. I think this highlights a lack of understanding of the rules around "sending off the last man". It has to be an obvious goal scoring opportunity, and it certainly wasn't.......<snip>
Exactly. there is nothing in the Laws Of The Game about "the last man" or " the last defender".
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
There is nothing in the LotG stating that the referee has to wait for the player to get into his position before restarting play. But obviously a degree of common sense has to enter into the equation at times (especially with goalkeepers coming on).
And this is where I think the whole Little sending off episode started. The player being subbed off (Batty) was on the far post at the time. He ran all the way to halfway for the sub to happen, Little asked the ref to allow the substitute enough time to take his position, the ref looked at Little, and blew for play to carry on immediatly. Pretty disappointing, but consistant with showing no card following the awarding of a penalty, when the last defender bundled Terry over 10 yards inside the box. Head scratching all round.
The penalty didn't warrant a card. I think this highlights a lack of understanding of the rules around "sending off the last man". It has to be an obvious goal scoring opportunity, and it certainly wasn't.
It was a peculiar time to make a substitution, at a defensive corner. The referee was correct, as far as I can tell, to restart play as soon as the substitute entered the field of play. So this is perhaps more of a question for your coaching staff than the referee.
Lets be honest, the sub was made mainly to waste time which everybody could tell, so the refs actions were easy to understand
Not really. Ref stops time when play stops for sub. Ref starts time when play restarts when sub gets in position. Ref tells sub to hurry up if he thinks sub is deliberately trying to waste time.
No time wasted.aitkenmike2011-08-08 13:17:56
No time wasted.aitkenmike2011-08-08 13:17:56
http://nz.sports.yahoo.com/opinions/show/2524252/no-feigning-required/
Interesting end to the article when they say the "resulting penalty was converted". Why was there a penalty given when the foul was committed when the ball wasn't in play?
Interesting end to the article when they say the "resulting penalty was converted". Why was there a penalty given when the foul was committed when the ball wasn't in play?
Its no longer a problem.
http://nz.sports.yahoo.com/opinions/show/2524252/no-feigning-required/
Interesting end to the article when they say the "resulting penalty was converted". Why was there a penalty given when the foul was committed when the ball wasn't in play?
Because the infringement occured in the box!Interesting end to the article when they say the "resulting penalty was converted". Why was there a penalty given when the foul was committed when the ball wasn't in play?
http://nz.sports.yahoo.com/opinions/show/2524252/no-feigning-required/
Interesting end to the article when they say the "resulting penalty was converted". Why was there a penalty given when the foul was committed when the ball wasn't in play?
Because the infringement occured in the box - you go back to where the foul occurs.Interesting end to the article when they say the "resulting penalty was converted". Why was there a penalty given when the foul was committed when the ball wasn't in play?
Tofeeman is right, as the ball wasn't in play a penalty shouldn't have been given and play restarted with the original free kick to the blue team. No doubtr after a red to the keeper for violent condiuct
at the nix's game on Sunday nobody was allowed to stand directly behind the goals..when around 4 metres from the pitch...and space was so limited to view the match....WHY ???????.......ps.[ and no one was coaching the goal keepers!!]
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/5555274/Ref-Michael-Hester-blows-fulltime-on-careerQuick acknowledgment to Mike on his retirement from all football. As a fellow ref, he, along with Peter O'Leary, set the benchmark for refereeing in NZ and his WC match was rightfully awarded.
OtagoFan you are oh so right! An inspiration to referees around the country and overseas :-)
Every Ref in Wellington besides Jamie Cross are sh*te.
Thanks Jamie.
Thanks Jamie.
Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.
"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003
Every Ref in Wellington besides Jamie Cross are sh*te.
plonker.......
Every Ref in Wellington besides Jamie Cross are sh*te.
ChopperNZ2012-02-29 20:37:57
Check this link out: A Belgian ref has sent a player off (second yellow card) when he booked him for diving....
...oh, he was unconscious on the stretcher when the ref showed the card...
Didnt know Tasker had moved to Belgium
Founder
What`s the law when a defender takes a goal kick, passes it outside the box for the keeper to run out and collect it, and then bring it back into the box and picks it up, is that allowed?
It's a pass back.
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What`s the law when a defender takes a goal kick, passes it outside the box for the keeper to run out and collect it, and then bring it back into the box and picks it up, is that allowed?
It's not allowed. It used to be before the pass back rule, but would now be an ndirect free kick to the opposition.
What`s the law when a defender takes a goal kick, passes it outside the box for the keeper to run out and collect it, and then bring it back into the box and picks it up, is that allowed?
It's not allowed. It used to be before the pass back rule, but would now be an ndirect free kick to the opposition.
Where would the indirect kick be taken from? Inside the box where the keeper picked the ball up?
Yellow Fever - Misery loves company
Yes, just as with any back pass being picked upnn
What`s the law when a defender takes a goal kick, passes it outside the box for the keeper to run out and collect it, and then bring it back into the box and picks it up, is that allowed?
It's not allowed. It used to be before the pass back rule, but would now be an ndirect free kick to the opposition.
Thanks for the reply on this, we were playing against a certain ex All Whites Coach and now a Central League coach who was adamant he was allowed to do this. Somehow because of his so called `status` they continued on with this, even though we had assurance from a nearby official that he was incorrect!
It`s pretty simple I would have thought, there`s not many ex All White coach`s in Wellington, that are also a current Central League coach!!
I find it bizzare that some one would even try that, let along try and get away with it. Bizzare..
Name names!
I guess they were playing against Wests in a masters game. A dog with a bone :)
Should Petr Cech have been sent off for his foul on Adebayor?
Three for me, and two for them.
No.
If the referee applies advantage during an obvious goalscoring opportunity and
a goal is scored directly, despite the opponent�s handling the ball or fouling an
opponent, the player cannot be sent off but he may still be cautioned.
So if Bale had of stopped playing, and say Terry or Luiz ran in and thumped in an oggie, it would save Cech getting sent off?
Seems wrong to me.
Seems wrong to me.
Three for me, and two for them.