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over 6 years ago

ChopperNZ wrote:

Can I ask what the judging criteria is for "Cap 1 - Cap 11 Player of the Year" ?

Must be a hard pick from 1500 odd players hahaha

Ballon D'or has a few candidates too

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over 6 years ago

Feverish wrote:

keefy_NZ wrote:

Feverish wrote:

keefy_NZ wrote:

Well done to CF for their refocused football community awards this evening. A fine mix of recognition across all spectrums of senior football/futsal. Well hosted by Piney with some nice interviews. Mikaela's remark brought the house down!

nice. what was the remark (couldn't make it myself)?

they were talking about how successful WU have been and she said it wasn't like then when she started and said to someone in the audience "when you were playing we used to lose by 10"

12-0.

sounds like the Wharf cleaned up the womens awards

The 'audience member' was Nat. Mickey's current NWL coach.

"He's operating a turnstile down the left flank"

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Feverish
over 6 years ago

ChopperNZ wrote:

Can I ask what the judging criteria is for "Cap 1 - Cap 11 Player of the Year" ?

Must be a hard pick from 1500 odd players hahaha

I find it odd its 1-11. The nominations were from Cap1, Cap2 and Cap4. Not sure on criteria, the winner scored something like 35 goals this season, the Cap 4 guy from Miramar scored something like 25. Not sure on Cap2 guy from Waikanae

I thinnk it should be Cap 1-4 based on stats then 5-11 by a vote.

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ChopperNZ
over 6 years ago

So Capital Football lost money during the last financial year, have conceded that its own football development programme was not very good and has handed back the lions share of this responsibility back to clubs, and yet is still looking to replace an outgoing Football Development Officer with another? 

https://www.sporty.co.nz/capitalfootball/newsartic...

Would this money not be better spent on a grants/sponsorship manager? Or simply discontinue the role?
Where do you get the most bang for your buck in this climate?

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over 6 years ago

So Capital Football lost money during the last financial year, have conceded that its own football development programme was not very good and has handed back the lions share of this responsibility back to clubs, and yet is still looking to replace an outgoing Football Development Officer with another? 

https://www.sporty.co.nz/capitalfootball/newsartic...

Would this money not be better spent on a grants/sponsorship manager? Or simply discontinue the role?
Where do you get the most bang for your buck in this climate?

potentially they are light on admin/core business and long on FDO's? 

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over 6 years ago

That sounds like the way up here in AKL. They have all these football guys that just go around clubs. What not stick to running the game and investing in the product they deliver, and leave the clubs to do what they do.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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about 6 years ago

What are the Capital Football subs this year? 

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about 6 years ago · edited about 6 years ago · History

Navigate to Capital football Web site -> Click on Clubs then Club Information Then click Capital Football Affiliation Fees

It is public information 

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about 6 years ago

You'd have to think they'll continue to hemorrhage social teams if they refuse to make the price competitive with the better leagues on offer. 

Valley FC til I die?

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about 6 years ago

Nelfoos wrote:

You'd have to think they'll continue to hemorrhage social teams if they refuse to make the price competitive with the better leagues on offer. 

better leagues?

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about 6 years ago

Other leagues maybe.

Must say though it's getting so expensive - even for a professional like myself. I could see the appeal for students who want to play socially to go elsewhere, play less and enjoy getting reffed by Pedro every week!


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about 6 years ago

Other leagues maybe.

Must say though it's getting so expensive - even for a professional like myself. I could see the appeal for students who want to play socially to go elsewhere, play less and enjoy getting reffed by Pedro every week!

i think you should clarify that with professional 'worker'. Pedro hmmm. How much you pay?

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about 6 years ago

Still young enough to make it as a pro I reckon :)
Pedro should pay me for the privilege of reffing me!!

Last year we paid $246 for the season. I know it was a closed team and we had about 17-18 players, but that's quite a lot of dosh really.


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about 6 years ago · edited about 6 years ago · History

Feverish wrote:

Nelfoos wrote:

You'd have to think they'll continue to hemorrhage social teams if they refuse to make the price competitive with the better leagues on offer. 

better leagues?

Yup. Refs and turf every game, much better than the sharke Cap Football gives us. Standard of football is gonna be dire no matter where I'm playing so I'm not too worried about that.

There's no two ways about it - both Wellington Sunday League and Better Football offer better 11 aside options at a significantly lower price for social footballers than Capital Football do, having played in all 3 myself.

Valley FC til I die?

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Oska
about 6 years ago · edited about 6 years ago · History

Nelfoos wrote:

Feverish wrote:

Nelfoos wrote:

You'd have to think they'll continue to hemorrhage social teams if they refuse to make the price competitive with the better leagues on offer. 

better leagues?

Yup. Refs and turf every game, much better than the sharke Cap Football gives us. Standard of football is gonna be dire no matter where I'm playing so I'm not too worried about that.

There's no two ways about it - both Wellington Sunday League and Better Football offer better 11 aside options at a significantly lower price for social footballers than Capital Football do, having played in all 3 myself.



Any with no affiliation to any of them ;)
Tbh - I actually thought that the Sunday football was cheaper than $250... did I read that right?
I personally prefer to play on Saturdays so I can have a bevy and recover on Sunday.
(not saying it shouldn't be cheaper mind you...)
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about 6 years ago

Nelfoos wrote:

Feverish wrote:

Nelfoos wrote:

You'd have to think they'll continue to hemorrhage social teams if they refuse to make the price competitive with the better leagues on offer. 

better leagues?

Yup. Refs and turf every game, much better than the sharke Cap Football gives us. Standard of football is gonna be dire no matter where I'm playing so I'm not too worried about that.

There's no two ways about it - both Wellington Sunday League and Better Football offer better 11 aside options at a significantly lower price for social footballers than Capital Football do, having played in all 3 myself.

you no longer play CF affiliated footy?

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about 6 years ago · edited about 6 years ago · History

Feverish wrote:

Nelfoos wrote:

Feverish wrote:

Nelfoos wrote:

You'd have to think they'll continue to hemorrhage social teams if they refuse to make the price competitive with the better leagues on offer. 

better leagues?

Yup. Refs and turf every game, much better than the sharke Cap Football gives us. Standard of football is gonna be dire no matter where I'm playing so I'm not too worried about that.

There's no two ways about it - both Wellington Sunday League and Better Football offer better 11 aside options at a significantly lower price for social footballers than Capital Football do, having played in all 3 myself.

you no longer play CF affiliated footy?

My team, which was Cap 6 Olympic last season, is moving to Sunday League because of all the advantages listed above. This will be the first season in 20 years I haven't played Saturday football.

I've played Sundays over summer for 3-4 seasons.

I've got no affiliation with WSL, but I do referee for Better Football for full disclosures sake.

Valley FC til I die?

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about 6 years ago

Nelfoos wrote:

Feverish wrote:

Nelfoos wrote:

You'd have to think they'll continue to hemorrhage social teams if they refuse to make the price competitive with the better leagues on offer. 

better leagues?

Yup. Refs and turf every game, much better than the sharke Cap Football gives us. Standard of football is gonna be dire no matter where I'm playing so I'm not too worried about that.

There's no two ways about it - both Wellington Sunday League and Better Football offer better 11 aside options at a significantly lower price for social footballers than Capital Football do, having played in all 3 myself.

Example 1 "$825.00 for 10 games"

Example 2 "The ability to pay the Registration Fees; $1000 Admin, and Referee fees, if you own your own ground to use each week i.e. school or military, and from $2,300 including ground fees to play on turf." 

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about 6 years ago

Nelfoos wrote:

Feverish wrote:

Nelfoos wrote:

Feverish wrote:

Nelfoos wrote:

You'd have to think they'll continue to hemorrhage social teams if they refuse to make the price competitive with the better leagues on offer. 

better leagues?

Yup. Refs and turf every game, much better than the sharke Cap Football gives us. Standard of football is gonna be dire no matter where I'm playing so I'm not too worried about that.

There's no two ways about it - both Wellington Sunday League and Better Football offer better 11 aside options at a significantly lower price for social footballers than Capital Football do, having played in all 3 myself.

you no longer play CF affiliated footy?

My team, which was Cap 6 Olympic last season, is moving to Sunday League because of all the advantages listed above. This will be the first season in 20 years I haven't played Saturday football.

I've played Sundays over summer for 3-4 seasons.

I've got no affiliation with WSL, but I do referee for Better Football for full disclosures sake.

ok fair play

ps Do you shout at yourself when you referee :)

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about 6 years ago · edited about 6 years ago · History

Feverish wrote:

Nelfoos wrote:

Feverish wrote:

Nelfoos wrote:

Feverish wrote:

Nelfoos wrote:

You'd have to think they'll continue to hemorrhage social teams if they refuse to make the price competitive with the better leagues on offer. 

better leagues?

Yup. Refs and turf every game, much better than the sharke Cap Football gives us. Standard of football is gonna be dire no matter where I'm playing so I'm not too worried about that.

There's no two ways about it - both Wellington Sunday League and Better Football offer better 11 aside options at a significantly lower price for social footballers than Capital Football do, having played in all 3 myself.

you no longer play CF affiliated footy?

My team, which was Cap 6 Olympic last season, is moving to Sunday League because of all the advantages listed above. This will be the first season in 20 years I haven't played Saturday football.

I've played Sundays over summer for 3-4 seasons.

I've got no affiliation with WSL, but I do referee for Better Football for full disclosures sake.

ok fair play

ps Do you shout at yourself when you referee :)

No because I agree with my decisions most of the time!

Valley FC til I die?

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FeverishOi Oi Edgecumbe
about 6 years ago

nelfoos think some sunday everyone one on here should beer up and turn up to your game and abuse the crap out of you.

you would run out of red cards

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BaFeverish
about 6 years ago

WATP wrote:

nelfoos think some sunday everyone one on here should beer up and turn up to your game and abuse the crap out of you.

you would run out of red cards

Think I could use the same one a few times actually

Valley FC til I die?

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Ba
about 6 years ago

nah you'd lose it and throw them at us

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about 6 years ago

Blew.2 wrote:

Nelfoos wrote:

Feverish wrote:

Nelfoos wrote:

You'd have to think they'll continue to hemorrhage social teams if they refuse to make the price competitive with the better leagues on offer. 

better leagues?

Yup. Refs and turf every game, much better than the sharke Cap Football gives us. Standard of football is gonna be dire no matter where I'm playing so I'm not too worried about that.

There's no two ways about it - both Wellington Sunday League and Better Football offer better 11 aside options at a significantly lower price for social footballers than Capital Football do, having played in all 3 myself.

Example 1 "$825.00 for 10 games"

Example 2 "The ability to pay the Registration Fees; $1000 Admin, and Referee fees, if you own your own ground to use each week i.e. school or military, and from $2,300 including ground fees to play on turf." 

Just to clarify the $825 is for 7-a-side not 11-a-side. 

11-a-side is a work in progress for us at the moment, but our recent season was 1300 for 7 games. This includes refs, photos, videos and player of the day vouchers. We probably sit a little bit higher in terms of $ to WSFL but we are quite happy with the product vs cost that we are providing. Looking to include linesman from next season as well. 

Hoping to bring some of the clubs into the discussion to provide opportunities for refs and club members for experience (while getting paid at the same time) and looking at ways at how we can support the clubs etc. 

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about 6 years ago

what's the story with defaults in Sunday League? they get punished for fking people around? Seems to be a few of them, maybe cos they pay less and don't care.

Anyhow, I'm sure a lot of folk like being part of a club, having a home base, moving through the tiers as you get older and sharkter, supporting the other teams, hating on the others clubs etc...

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about 6 years ago

Feverish wrote:

what's the story with defaults in Sunday League? they get punished for fking people around? Seems to be a few of them, maybe cos they pay less and don't care.

Anyhow, I'm sure a lot of folk like being part of a club, having a home base, moving through the tiers as you get older and sharkter, supporting the other teams, hating on the others clubs etc...



And you get playing kit, footballs, training grounds, clubrooms and banter - club footy is for me
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about 6 years ago

Yeah.... You don't get all of those things at all of the clubs which is a bit sad :(

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Nelfoos
about 6 years ago

NZF Media

18 March 2020

For immediate release

All community football postponed until 2 May

Out of concern for our community’s health amidst the COVID-19 pandemic, the start of the community football season has been postponed until 2 May.

This difficult decision has been reached by NZ Football in agreement with the seven Federations, to help prevent community spread of COVID-19.

Measures being taken include:

  • Community football, including junior, youth, senior, social and regional competitions – all play postponed until 2 May
  • Community futsal including junior, youth, senior and social competitions - all play postponed until 2 May
    • The 2020 Secondary Schools Futsal Championships set for late March has been cancelled. Tertiary Futsal championships are postponed until a date to be confirmed, and all other competitions are being reviewed
  • Workshops and courses- including coaching and refereeing courses postponed until after 2 May
  • Meetings – all federation meetings postponed until further notice

All training should be suspended until 18 April, or two weeks prior to the start of the season. Recommendations around safe practice will be continually updated, aligning with Ministry of Health guidelines.

NZ Football updates will be posted at www.nzfootball.co.nz/covid19

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BaDoloras
about 6 years ago

Sky Sports "Live" College Football, like they do with the Rugby maybe??

Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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almost 6 years ago

So now that we have some clarification around how the season is going to be laid out, does anyone find it a bit of a joke from Capital Football that they will be charging Tier 2 and Masters grades, who will only be getting 14 games, the same amount of fees as Tier 1 sides?

Why is it that the "social" footballer is treated with such disdain by CF? We are already made to play the majority of our games on substandard pitches with no referees, yet we also have to foot the same amount of artificial fees as teams who get to play on them often. 

It's no surprise that CF has been losing social teams to other competitions and organisations when you see what is on offer.

Other organisations have taken an approach of offering a discount across the board, which seems a much fairer approach.

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Marron_MenRo
almost 6 years ago

Been a few years since going to an Club info evening

If I recall correctly clubs/Teams are charged separately for officials 

Do the council Charge (discount) ground charges based on pitch condition.

If I recall correctly Artificial Fees averaged based on block bookings (pre season n weather conditions) not what team/club uses them

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almost 6 years ago

Jump ship to Sunday League/Better Football. We did (Olympic Cap 6 last year), very much looking forward to social football with refs and turf this coming season, for a much cheaper price too.

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almost 6 years ago

ChopperNZ wrote:

So now that we have some clarification around how the season is going to be laid out, does anyone find it a bit of a joke from Capital Football that they will be charging Tier 2 and Masters grades, who will only be getting 14 games, the same amount of fees as Tier 1 sides?

Why is it that the "social" footballer is treated with such disdain by CF? We are already made to play the majority of our games on substandard pitches with no referees, yet we also have to foot the same amount of artificial fees as teams who get to play on them often. 

It's no surprise that CF has been losing social teams to other competitions and organisations when you see what is on offer.

Other organisations have taken an approach of offering a discount across the board, which seems a much fairer approach.

Fees haven't even been decided/released yet so what are you basing this on? There was some previous scenarios and fees but it is something still being worked on and will reflect the decisions around grade numbers.

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aitkenmiketheprof
almost 6 years ago

zonknz wrote:

https://wellington.govt.nz/your-council/news/2020/...

Wellington CC are waiving grounds fees for community sports teams through end of June - Doesn't include commerical leagues.


Does that mean fees apply after June?

Normal fees will apply from Wednesday 1 July, and seasonal fees will be reduced for winter sports due to the winter season being shorter than usual

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almost 6 years ago · edited almost 6 years ago · History

Gatherings to increase to 100 from Friday including all sport.

Are Sunday League n Better Football commercial league's ?

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almost 6 years ago

game on

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Blew.2Oi Oi Edgecumbe
almost 6 years ago

Yep, we hit the council up about that, and due us not being non-for-profit organisations we don't qualify for the waiver. Personally I think it's a bit harsh when we are literally 50% cheaper than some clubs, but that's what it is and we'll have to live with it. It's a shame as it would have fast-tracked a Free-Football initiative that we are working on, but ah well. 

On the positive side of things though, looking forward to the winter season and everything getting back to normal. Good luck to all of the teams playing in other comps this season and we hope to see you in ours for summer :P 

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