Interesting battle for the 2 bottom spots in Capital Premier, I watched UH v Miramar on saturday and went in for a beer afterwards, the Miramar guys weren't happy hearing all the results on Saturady, every game went the wrong way for them, they can't afford to drop players from CL team (its not won yet) so they might be in trouble. Cap premier v cap 1 play off could feature 2 CL teams playing each other Miramar, Wests or LH playing Olympic from Cap 1. Can anyone post the draw for the remaining games.
why would they be playing olympic from capital 1??
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...because they might finish second. You'd better not...
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This Week
Kapiti Coast United __ Marist __ Weka 1;
Miramar Rangers __ Western Suburbs __ Centennial;
Tawa __ Waterside Karori __ Redwood;
Island Bay United __ Upper Hutt City __ Wakefield 1;
Wairarapa United __ Lower Hutt City __ Sportsbowl.
Next Week
KCU V Tawa
LH V Miramar
Marist V Wairarapa
UH V Wharfies
Wests V IB (Sunday)
After that are the Catch up Matches
LH V Tawa
Marist V LH
Tawa V Kapiti
Wairarapa V Marist
Wharfies V LH
Wharfies V Wests
I believe thats the lot
Kapiti Coast United __ Marist __ Weka 1;
Miramar Rangers __ Western Suburbs __ Centennial;
Tawa __ Waterside Karori __ Redwood;
Island Bay United __ Upper Hutt City __ Wakefield 1;
Wairarapa United __ Lower Hutt City __ Sportsbowl.
Next Week
KCU V Tawa
LH V Miramar
Marist V Wairarapa
UH V Wharfies
Wests V IB (Sunday)
After that are the Catch up Matches
LH V Tawa
Marist V LH
Tawa V Kapiti
Wairarapa V Marist
Wharfies V LH
Wharfies V Wests
I believe thats the lot
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Just wanted to throw out a positive comment for once ;)
Good on the Tawa team for coming back to our clubrooms on Saturday. The weather was awful, no other games were being played, and our game was in Mirarmar, but they still made the effort to come back to Kilbirnie for a drink before heading home.
Good on the Tawa team for coming back to our clubrooms on Saturday. The weather was awful, no other games were being played, and our game was in Mirarmar, but they still made the effort to come back to Kilbirnie for a drink before heading home.
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Just wanted to throw out a positive comment for once ;)
Good on the Tawa team for coming back to our clubrooms on Saturday. The weather was awful, no other games were being played, and our game was in Mirarmar, but they still made the effort to come back to Kilbirnie for a drink before heading home.
Good on the Tawa team for coming back to our clubrooms on Saturday. The weather was awful, no other games were being played, and our game was in Mirarmar, but they still made the effort to come back to Kilbirnie for a drink before heading home.
needed to drink away sorrows somewhere.
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how can wests play rowe, harahap, ryan and cheriton. i thought it was only 3 dropped players from central league, or has ryan been playing continuously for them in the last month or so?? feld also?? not good they do this but if they are not breaking any rules then fairplay to them, they have won 5 games in a row i think. they obviously value being in premier league, lower hutt do not have the same luxury they don't play sundays and the clubs stance so far is first team comes first, only 2 players dropped on sat as 1sts played sunday and they were dragged at halftime, they were 2-1 down. so i think that shows hutt are going to try stay up with their young team that has played all season??
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how can wests play rowe, harahap, ryan and cheriton. i thought it was only 3 dropped players from central league, or has ryan been playing continuously for them in the last month or so?? feld also?? not good they do this but if they are not breaking any rules then fairplay to them, they have won 5 games in a row i think. they obviously value being in premier league, lower hutt do not have the same luxury they don't play sundays and the clubs stance so far is first team comes first, only 2 players dropped on sat as 1sts played sunday and they were dragged at halftime, they were 2-1 down. so i think that shows hutt are going to try stay up with their young team that has played all season??
I believe that some of the regular first teamers have been semi-permanently "dropped"
I must admit I will be... curious to see what LH do when we play them last game of the season (for us) if things are still close in the relegation fight
wulfsteam2008-07-29 17:49:07
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i love it how 'Mar have to play Wests and LH.
Laugh if Wests lose the rest of their CL games
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Mar Vs West this Sat and CL West Vs Napier on Sat..who will turn up for West's?
Miramar Will not have anyone dropped down as they are playing olympic I think in CL?
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close roy, olympic's home ground
CENTRAL MEN:
Wellington United __ Miramar Rangers __ Newtown 1;
Wellington United __ Miramar Rangers __ Newtown 1;
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lower hutt do not have the same luxury they don't play sundays and the clubs stance so far is first team comes first, only 2 players dropped on sat as 1sts played sunday and they were dragged at halftime, they were 2-1 down. so i think that shows hutt are going to try stay up with their young team that has played all season??
Not correct there Johnny, Lower Hutt droped 3 players from their CL team for Saturdays game. Miguel Baladeres played the whole game.
A dog with a bone :)
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lower hutt do not have the same luxury they don't play sundays and the clubs stance so far is first team comes first, only 2 players dropped on sat as 1sts played sunday and they were dragged at halftime, they were 2-1 down. so i think that shows hutt are going to try stay up with their young team that has played all season??
Not correct there Johnny, Lower Hutt droped 3 players from their CL team for Saturdays game. Miguel Baladeres played the whole game.
nightz do i deserve an apology?
i tried telling you this would happen 5 rounds ago - you convinced me otherwise!
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ha i agree with Bob for once - cmon Nightz - you owe him an apology
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OK SO HAS ANYONE FOUND OUT WHY WESTS RESIES ARE ALLOWED TO PLAY AT HOME ON SUNDAY??
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OK SO HAS ANYONE FOUND OUT WHY WESTS RESIES ARE ALLOWED TO PLAY AT HOME ON SUNDAY??
maybe an email to capital football ceo/manager is in order
* why wests are allowed to play on a sunday
* is it fair they are allowed to rest players on a saturday in central league so they can play on sunday for capital premier so they can play atleast the maximum 3 players your allowed to drop to 2nd team
* is the interigrity and fairness of capital premier at stake
* and central league because the strongest teams are not playing
anyone got an email addy?
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OK SO HAS ANYONE FOUND OUT WHY WESTS RESIES ARE ALLOWED TO PLAY AT HOME ON SUNDAY??
maybe an email to capital football ceo/manager is in order
* why wests are allowed to play on a sunday
* is it fair they are allowed to rest players on a saturday in central league so they can play on sunday for capital premier so they can play atleast the maximum 3 players your allowed to drop to 2nd team
* is the interigrity and fairness of capital premier at stake
* and central league because the strongest teams are not playing
anyone got an email addy?
Hi Bob.
Wests are allowed to play on Sundays as most of the "original" second team are still at f****g school and wish too play for thier school. So as not to tire the poor suckers out with 2 games on a Saturday,Wests asked to play the "kids" on Sundays.
Back to sticking pins in your Matt Calcott voodoo doll.
FYI You can call Capital Football on 586 5814
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i believe you are correct nightz, but baladares has not played for the first team for weeks due to injury and he is planning on seeing the season out with the seconds as his leg is not up to central league at the mo??
i can see why wests play sundays it makes sense due to so many schoolboys playing saturday, lower hutt weekly have at least 4-5 guys backing up for 2 games on a saturday, it does make it tough but thats what happens when you want your 2nds to be a development team for the future. in their match programme the other week it said they have used 40 players in their 13 games so far, how can you gain consistency at premier level???
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for Wests to ask for the request in the first place in fair enough, but for Cap Ftball to agree to it is a monumental f up.
If that was Wests justification for the request, then they are being dishonest at the moment - as although on Sunday they had a few pre-pubesent kids on the bench that never got on - there were not any on the pitch.
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OK SO HAS ANYONE FOUND OUT WHY WESTS RESIES ARE ALLOWED TO PLAY AT HOME ON SUNDAY??
maybe an email to capital football ceo/manager is in order
* why wests are allowed to play on a sunday
* is it fair they are allowed to rest players on a saturday in central league so they can play on sunday for capital premier so they can play atleast the maximum 3 players your allowed to drop to 2nd team
* is the interigrity and fairness of capital premier at stake
* and central league because the strongest teams are not playing
anyone got an email addy?
Hi Bob.
Wests are allowed to play on Sundays as most of the "original" second team are still at f****g school and wish too play for thier school. So as not to tire the poor suckers out with 2 games on a Saturday,Wests asked to play the "kids" on Sundays.
Back to sticking pins in your Matt Calcott voodoo doll.
FYI You can call Capital Football on 586 5814
id accept that if we actually saw college kids play - we don't
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With Wests having not played for a couple of weeks before last Saturday I think they could have played up to 9 players from their Cl team. I believe they are allowed to play 3 players per week down a grade, I'm sure any club in Wgtn would do what West are doing if they are ever in the same position, I believe LH will play players down as soon as they can't win the CL which will be very soon, and Miramar won't be able to as their CP side only has 2 games left and there top side won't have quite won the CL by that time.
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response from capital soccer sickens me
Can I ask you please to address any queries you may have through your Club. We have about 13,000 registered footballers out there and we just can't respond to individual queries. I can tell you in short though that Wests have been checking the rules with us before they name their teams and we're happy that they are following the rules.
Regards
Keith Palmer
if i responded to a querie in the council with can you please direct your questions somewhere else because i have 200,000 other rate payers in the city - I WOULD GET SHOT, quite simply capital football knows its wrong and has no power to stop it
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why was this not an issue for the first 10 weeks of the season?
Or last season? Or the season before? Or etc etc etc
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why was this not an issue for the first 10 weeks of the season?
Or last season? Or the season before? Or etc etc etc
becuase wests played have there games on saturdayevery season before - and have also been in a position to win central league
everyone else (ie. olympic) who played on a sunday had a resonable explanation
wests and capital football dont have alot.
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Footywatcher.. you said "side only has 2 games left and there top side won't have quite won the CL by that time"
Mar are in a decent position to win the league, but i wouldn't bet the farm on mirimar winning the league let alone the next few games......
JohnnyCash2008-07-30 11:12:45
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"sickens" is quite a strong term Bob!
But, I agree that the integrity of the league is undermined by Wests 2nds being able to play on the Sunday.
I think it is something the non CL clubs (plus any sympathetic CL clubs) should collectively take up with Capital Football, with a view to having the rule changed. A joint letter from the likes of Wharfies, Marist, Upper Hutt, Tawa, Petone, KCU, Miramar would get things moving.
At the moment a number of rules are tilted substantially in favour of some of the CL clubs (the lack of automatic relegation from CL is another). You will never address that altogether, and I dont think you can get around CL teams dropping players down when their CP team is in trouble (bc there will always be legitimate reasons to drop players as well), but making sure they have to play on the same day as everyone else seems a quite sensilbe change that could be made and would at least help level the playing field a bit.
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Keinzley frustrated by rules
29.07.2008
By Gary Caffell
29.07.2008
By Gary Caffell
Wairarapa United coach Phil Keinzley is frustrated by rules which allow Capital Soccer premier division sides to stack their teams with players from the higher-graded central league competition but he says nothing can be done about it.
A win to Wairarapa United over lowly-placed Western Suburbs in Wellington on Sunday would have been a giant step towards them winning the premier division title but Western Suburbs fielded the bulk of their central league side against them and won 1-0.
As it happened the loss was not crucial to Wairarapa United's chances of the title win which will enable them to challenge for a central league spot themselves next season because their main challengers, Tawa and Island Bay United, had been beaten themselves the previous day.
But it was a classic illustration of the length some clubs will go to ensure their second teams are also playing at the highest possible level, in this case the premier division competition."We were told after the game that they (Western Suburbs) had played nine of their central league side, that's how important avoiding relegation is to them," Keinzley said.
"Obviously it's not ideal for those of us who don't have a central league team to call on but from what we can gather it's all above board.
"We just have to grin and bear it."
Keinzley said Wairarapa United could expect little sympathy from the Wellington-based clubs in either the central league or premier division competitions in debating the fairness of the current situation because it had already been made obvious they would much rather see a club from the capital take the premier division spoils.
"It's not they have anything personally against us, it's just that they want to avoid any chance of having to travel to Masterton for central league games," Keinzley said.
"They don't want any more travel involved there than what there is at present."
Keinzley has heard too that if Wairarapa United are involved in playoffs for next season's central league series at the end of this season the condition of their home ground, the Pugh Sports Bowl, will be raised by their opposition.
"There is a growing belief that matches of that importance couldn't be played there because of the poor state of the pitch and that's something we are going to have to address," he said.
"The worry for us is there aren't too many other suitable options around and obviously we wouldn't want to give away home advantage."
Wairarapa United are, in fact, scheduled to play their next premier division match against Lower Hutt City at the Sports Bowl this coming weekend but even now there are grave doubts as to whether it will actually be staged there.
"We'll assess things a little later in the week but it is very possible a change will have to be made", Keinzley said.
Lower Hutt City is currently at the very bottom of the premier division points table and that scenario will very probably see them play a number of their central league side which sits third in that competition but seven points in arrears of the leader.
"Again I think we will find the team we are playing is a lot different that what it has been in the past," Keinzley said. "They (Lower Hutt) have an even better central league side than Western Suburbs so that tells you something about how strong they could be when they play us."
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29.07.2008
Keinzley said Wairarapa United could expect little sympathy from the Wellington-based clubs in either the central league or premier division competitions in debating the fairness of the current situation because it had already been made obvious they would much rather see a club from the capital take the premier division spoils.
"It's not they have anything personally against us, it's just that they want to avoid any chance of having to travel to Masterton for central league games," Keinzley said.
"They don't want any more travel involved there than what there is at present."
now that is total bull!
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That is bull. The trip to Masterton is no big drag at all. In fact, its a good excuse for a roadie.
I actually sympathise with his general concerns, but the conspiracy theory is garbage.
He is just running into the same problem that Wellington clubs are accustomed to running into every year. Its nothing personal Phil.
PS Last year we had a very pleasant trip to the Sports Bowl. Stopped in Greytown on the way through, had a quality breakfast, read the Dom, then played 9 men at the back and almost came away with a very unwarranted point.
Marius Lacatus2008-07-30 11:24:42
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"sickens" is quite a strong term Bob!
But, I agree that the integrity of the league is undermined by Wests 2nds being able to play on the Sunday.
I think it is something the non CL clubs (plus any sympathetic CL clubs) should collectively take up with Capital Football, with a view to having the rule changed. A joint letter from the likes of Wharfies, Marist, Upper Hutt, Tawa, Petone, KCU, Miramar would get things moving.
At the moment a number of rules are tilted substantially in favour of some of the CL clubs (the lack of automatic relegation from CL is another). You will never address that altogether, and I dont think you can get around CL teams dropping players down when their CP team is in trouble (bc there will always be legitimate reasons to drop players as well), but making sure they have to play on the same day as everyone else seems a quite sensilbe change that could be made and would at least help level the playing field a bit.
but it happens everywhere. Wharfies (within the rules) dropped a few players down to their 2nds last season to ensure that they stayed up. I am sure that any club could do it.
If other clubs have tried to change the days they play on and been refused, I could see why everyone would be pissed with Wests being able to do it. Otherwise, I think people are making a big deal over nothing.
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It certainly give Wests a leg up but every Central League club gets the option early in the season.
So it's not a Wests-Capital Football conspiracy and you can't really blame Wests for taking advantage.
Olympic have the same luck I think with their first team playing Sunday and the reserves generally playing Saturday?
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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Frankie/Smithy - i agree with both of you
1.) Yes, dropping players down happens everywhere, and is unavoidable, but in this case Wests are playing their reserve games on a Sunday - which gives them much greater opportunity to exploit that opportunity - and means they have an advantage over other clubs
2.) I doubt this is a Wests-CF conspiracy. Not suggesting that. My concern is with the Rule itself or the opportunity that Wests or any other CL club as to play its 2nd team games on Sunday. I dont blame Wests for taking that opportunity up given it exists.
It would be interesting to know if this was an offer that CF spontaneously decided to offer CL clubs or whether it was something somebody requested.
Marius Lacatus2008-07-30 11:40:46
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I believe that to drop extra players down to lower grades, some teams have regraded players to lower divisions before re-promoting them up to a higher division on the same weekend.
For example a CL or premier team could drop players to a much lower division (e.g. Div 6 or 13 or whatever) for a 12.30 game, before promoting back up to their (e.g.) 2nd team for a 2.30 game or a Sunday game. The players only need to take the field for a minute for the lower division and it is within the rules. It does, however, give the teams freedom to drop nearly as many players as they like if they have enough lower division teams.
I would have thought it wouldn't be too hard to close this loophole?...Only 3 players from a higher division team the previous week allowed to play for a given lower division team....rather than basing it on the last game they played?
just my thoughts anyways
For example a CL or premier team could drop players to a much lower division (e.g. Div 6 or 13 or whatever) for a 12.30 game, before promoting back up to their (e.g.) 2nd team for a 2.30 game or a Sunday game. The players only need to take the field for a minute for the lower division and it is within the rules. It does, however, give the teams freedom to drop nearly as many players as they like if they have enough lower division teams.
I would have thought it wouldn't be too hard to close this loophole?...Only 3 players from a higher division team the previous week allowed to play for a given lower division team....rather than basing it on the last game they played?
just my thoughts anyways
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I believe that to drop extra players down to lower grades, some teams have regraded players to lower divisions before re-promoting them up to a higher division on the same weekend.
For example a CL or premier team could drop players to a much lower division (e.g. Div 6 or 13 or whatever) for a 12.30 game, before promoting back up to their (e.g.) 2nd team for a 2.30 game or a Sunday game. The players only need to take the field for a minute for the lower division and it is within the rules. It does, however, give the teams freedom to drop nearly as many players as they like if they have enough lower division teams.
I would have thought it wouldn't be too hard to close this loophole?...Only 3 players from a higher division team the previous week allowed to play for a given lower division team....rather than basing it on the last game they played?
just my thoughts anyways
For example a CL or premier team could drop players to a much lower division (e.g. Div 6 or 13 or whatever) for a 12.30 game, before promoting back up to their (e.g.) 2nd team for a 2.30 game or a Sunday game. The players only need to take the field for a minute for the lower division and it is within the rules. It does, however, give the teams freedom to drop nearly as many players as they like if they have enough lower division teams.
I would have thought it wouldn't be too hard to close this loophole?...Only 3 players from a higher division team the previous week allowed to play for a given lower division team....rather than basing it on the last game they played?
just my thoughts anyways
Totally agree. Another alternatively could be that you can only be classified as a lower team play if you play 2 consecutive games for them.
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Footywatcher.. you said "side only has 2 games left and there top side won't have quite won the CL by that time"
Mar are in a decent position to win the league, but i wouldn't bet the farm on mirimar winning the league let alone the next few games......
johnny the leagues over mate.and ur rite the mar wont be dropping players down to CP perhaps coz they have ambitions of going through the league unbeaten?
felipe2008-07-30 12:26:12
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Frankie/Smithy - i agree with both of you
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Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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As the old bin dipper famously said "You'll never win anything with kids"
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why was this not an issue for the first 10 weeks of the season?
Or last season? Or the season before? Or etc etc etc
becuase wests played have there games on saturdayevery season before - and have also been in a position to win central league
everyone else (ie. olympic) who played on a sunday had a resonable explanation
wests and capital football dont have alot.
WRONG again.......do keep up.
Wests played reserve or 1st team games on Friday evenings out at Porirua Park for the last 2 to 3 years. Not that you ever went out there or youd'd know.
What was Olympics excuse we're Greek and homeless ??
Why do they have to play at Newtown. Kick thoserugby f***ers off the Basin and play football there.
Tourets2008-07-30 13:15:58
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As the old bin dipper famously said "You'll never win anything with kids"
wests will not win anything this year im afraid kids or no kids - money or no money.
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Correct. But theres an increasing chance your obsession with seeing them relegated might not happen either.
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