Chatham Cup 2013 - #90yearsofglory

I'd be fascinated to know the basis of NCR's appeal too. Were they just fishing? Or did they in fact have a better (or more honest) understanding of the rules than Wairarapa? If so, hard to have any sympathy with Wairarapa.

And this argument from Keinzley is not going to achieve anything. 

"I can't see where we did anything wrong and that's what the appeal will be based around. We simply don't think we have a case to answer."

Wairarapa United will be making the point in their appeal that Kalteck only played the last seven or eight minutes of the Napier match, being introduced off the bench more because of Keinzley's desire to get some idea of his readiness for future games rather than to strengthen the effort in that particular match.

"We didn't need to play him," Keinzley said. "Surely it's obvious that if we thought there were any doubts over his eligibility we wouldn't have put him on. "We were in front and there were only a few minutes to play. Why the hell would you take any risks?"

Kind of like saying "Yeah I drunk drove but I didn't need to drink drive, I just wanted to see how well I could handle being a little bit drunk behind the wheel, so can I have my licence back?". Still broke the rules mate. 

So if NZF have given him approval to play, and Napier have the right to protest, to which they did and won after more investigation, would it not be put right by replaying the game? That way Wairarapa don't miss out, and neither do Napier, from a certain mistake by NZF?

http://www.nzfootball.co.nz/index.php?id=11&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=2407&tx_ttnews[backPid]=10&cHash=e4220b2c32 

And there it is. So, if by any chance, Napier lose, and the appeal is proven, then it looks like Marist will need to play Wairarapa. 

Good on Napier and Marist wanting to play the game anyway.

Well I suppose at the end of the day, that's what the lawyers and NZF will work out. No need for speculation now. I think we will all be interested in the outcome

And anyway, I'm pretty sure there is no option to have a replay under the rules.

Why not? If NZF have made the mistake, but Napier's protest is correct, what does Wairarapa do about it? If they have followed all the rules that NZF have asked of them, and NZF have cleared it, then Napier miss out.  And that's unfair if the mistake is actually out of both clubs hands. So replay seems the only way to go.

Because the regs say a replay is only available when a game is abandoned.  http://www.nzfootball.co.nz/fileadmin/user_upload/Documents/Rules_And_Regs/Regulation_12_FINAL.pdf

I think it's pretty clear that NZF made a decision based on the information provided to them. It is the responsibility of whoever provided it to ensure it is correct. And that looks like Wairarapa.

For me, the interesting question is whether Wairarapa deliberately withheld information or whether it was a genuine mistake

Ok. I understand that rule in regards to the replay. 

What I don't get is the reason behind NZF granting the reclassification in the first place. There must be some certain criteria that they follow. I would think it is no different from when normal clubs request a clearance of a player. You fill out all the information of the certain player and all the info comes back on that certain player. Because Brian played overseas without an International transfer is the fault of the club he played for over there. Why should that be on Wairarapa shoulders if they have provided all the relevant information about the player, and he's been cleared by NZF.

Again, all speculation and no true facts. I know a lot of people don't agree with Phil's recruiting methods and I know a lot of people that do, but we all agree that PK is not that stupid to play a player that has even the slightest chance of causing a protest and the possible loss of a game that was vitally important. He just wouldn't do that. 

Picks for final 8 anybody ..........

I am pretty sure if you look at the round up of the 3rd round replays, Caversham won that one. But you never know

Caversham won 4-0

Piney on rapa http://soundcloud.com/playbookmedia/wairarapa-united-comment

My club doesn't invest plenty of time, effort and money for our juniors not to go through to seniors and beyond.

Yeah that was a perplexing thing to say JD - of course clubs should be trying to develop players to stay with the club long term. College football presents a challenge to that in some parts of the country more than others, but that doesn't mean it's not one of the goals for club.

Which to me makes enterprises like Wairarapa United a bit weird. I like Phil and I think he's done a bloody good job over there. There aren't many Central League quality young players in the Wairarapa but Wairarapa United provides a vehicle for the few to play at the top winter level.

To give you a sense of scale, there are about as many registered players in the 'Rapa as there are at one of the big Wellington clubs.

I think Wairarapa are playing dumb.

Some predictions (bear in mind Chatham Cup predictions are impossible)

Northern Region?
Manurewa 3 v Melville United 1
Birkenhead United 3 v Hamilton Wanderers 1
Onehunga Sports 2 v Ngaruawahia United 1
Waitakere City 2 v Bay Olympic 3

Central Region?
Palmerston North Marist 1 v Napier City Rovers 3
Wellington Olympic 3 v Lower Hutt City 1

Southern Region?
Cashmere Technical 5 v Nelson College or Waimak United 0
Roslyn Wakari 1 v Caversham 4

PN marist just beat napier 4-2 on pens after drawing 1 all

Waimak United beat Nelson College 2-1 in Nelson today. 0-0 at half time although Waimak created more opportunities. They scored twice in the first 15 minutes of the second half and also had a goal disallowed before College can back and scored with 10 minutes to go. College made most of the play until full time but could not score. On reflection a fair result 

Olympic 3 Lower Hutt 1 at half time

Olympic 3 Lower Hutt 2 after 80min

Olympic through to next round after beating Lower Hutt 4 2

Had a slightly depressing roadtrip to watch Birko v Wanderers, quite a good game, Birko went ahead early through one of those awful free-kicks where the keeper waits for a touch but none comes... bottom right corner. 1-0 at halftime before HW came roaring back, dominating the second half and drawing level with a great solo goal from Mark Jones.

Then, in the space of three minutes, two defensive errors saw Birko grab two goals, and then Jones got sent off for his normal aggro moment, and through Birko go. Michael Built played really well up front for Wanderers but they really missed Singh through injury, his pace just gives them a different element to their game.

Surprisingly, Melville are the Waikato team who progressed, hopefully they have a last 8 game within driving distance, maybe they can draw Waimak or PNM or the likes. 

I don't think it'd be too far of a stretch for me to say Birko are the best side left, this game was really a battle between two of the best sides remaining, Birko take that mantel now.