All of us at Tawa are looking forward to knocking last years champs out in the 1st round!!
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All of us at Tawa are looking forward to knocking last years champs out in the 1st round!!
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Northern league prem teams come into the cup at the 2nd round would of thought CL team would be the same
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Northern league prem teams come into the cup at the 2nd round would of thought CL team would be the same
they do come in the second round.
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Northern league prem teams come into the cup at the 2nd round would of thought CL team would be the same
they do come in the second round.
Incorrect.
They come in 1st round.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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Northern league prem teams come into the cup at the 2nd round would of thought CL team would be the same
they do come in the second round.
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Incorrect.
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They come in 1st round.
I misunderstood what was said. I was meaning central league teams not capital! shambles_Baby2010-04-30 19:22:59
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Central League teams DO come in the 1st Round.
That's why we're talking about this in the first place!
That's why we're talking about this in the first place!
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http://www.ultimatenzsoccer.com/Scoreboard/id176.htm whats this all about then?
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JR has that wrong - these games were a Qualifying Round, Round 1 starts on 15 May.
http://www.nzfootball.co.nz/index.php?id=11&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=519&tx_ttnews[backPid]=10&cHash=6ea198dbc5
For some reason hotlinking not working for me at the moment.el grapadura2010-04-30 20:53:13
http://www.nzfootball.co.nz/index.php?id=11&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=519&tx_ttnews[backPid]=10&cHash=6ea198dbc5
For some reason hotlinking not working for me at the moment.el grapadura2010-04-30 20:53:13
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Evening all,
Time for a brief history lesson.
Right from when I started Scoreboard and Ultimate, I've mirrored my Chatham Cup records on the FA Cup - 64 teams in round three, 32 in round four, 16 in round five, quarter-finals in round six ...
If you go to the appropriate section of Ultimate, you'll find every single Chatham Cup result since 1965 has been set up in that format.
That's because the Chatham Cup has long been based on the FA Cup model - ever since the set-up was changed from the antiquated North Island v. South Island final arrangement which existed some forty-five-odd years ago, in fact.
Common sense was followed initially, i.e. the model was replicated right the way down the line, and the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" philosophy was applied to the letter.
Needless to say, somewhere along the line, the powers that be did indeed attempt to fix it, even though it wasn't broken, and we have the situation we have today - qualifying rounds, preliminary rounds ...
How pathetic does that look, particularly from a historical perspective - to be knocked out in the preliminary round of a national knockout competition which gets roughly 140 entries each year? For that many entries, the need for a preliminary round should be minimal at best. So why does NZ have to have one involving so many teams?
Is it some sort of a "dumbing down" process to ensure that as few as possible of the less fashionable teams actually progress to a numbered round? If so, why?
No-one at NZF has been bold enough in recent years to sort out this mess and restore the model to its proper status, i.e. the way it was recorded over many years, and the way you'll see the results recorded on my sites.
I don't have it wrong, El Grapadura. Rather, I have it historically correct, and make no apologies for daring to be different on this issue.
Cheers,
JR
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yeah, but it's still wrong
Normo's coming home
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yeah, but it's still wrong
Three for me, and two for them.
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Evening all,
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Time for a brief history lesson.
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Right from when I started Scoreboard and Ultimate, I've mirrored my Chatham Cup records on the FA Cup - 64 teams in round three, 32 in round four, 16 in round five, quarter-finals in round six ...
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If you go to the appropriate section of Ultimate, you'll find every single Chatham Cup result since 1965 has been set up in that format.
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That's because the Chatham Cup has long been based�on the FA Cup model - ever�since the set-up was changed from the antiquated�North Island v. South Island final arrangement which existed some forty-five-odd years ago, in fact.
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Common sense was followed initially, i.e.�the model was replicated right the way down the line, and the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" philosophy was applied to the letter.
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Needless to say, somewhere along the line, the powers that be did indeed attempt to fix it, even though it wasn't broken, and we have the situation we have today - qualifying rounds, preliminary rounds ...
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How pathetic does that look, particularly from a historical perspective�- to be knocked out in the preliminary round of a�national knockout�competition which gets roughly 140 entries each year? For that many entries, the need for a preliminary round should be minimal at best. So why does NZ have to have one involving so many teams?
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Is it some sort of a "dumbing down" process to ensure that as few as possible�of the less fashionable teams actually progress to a numbered round? If so, why?
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No-one at NZF has been bold enough in recent years to sort out this mess and restore the model to its proper status, i.e. the way it was recorded over many years, and the way you'll see the results recorded on my sites.
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I don't have it wrong, El Grapadura. Rather, I�have it historically correct, and make no apologies for daring to be different on this issue.
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Cheers,
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JR
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Leaving preliminary/qualifying/1st round semantics aside, do you think it makes sense to have Central League clubs from Capital join the competition one full round before clubs in the Central Fed which play at a lower level?
Using your FA Cup comparison, wouldn't this situation be akin to Premier League clubs joining the FA Cup in the 2nd Round, while the Championship/Leaue 1 clubs get a free pass into the 3rd Round?
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"Leaving preliminary/qualifying/1st round semantics aside, do you think it makes sense to have Central League clubs from Capital join the competition one full round before clubs in the Central Fed which play at a lower level?
Using your FA Cup comparison, wouldn't this situation be akin to Premier League clubs joining the FA Cup in the 2nd Round, while the Championship/Leaue 1 clubs get a free pass into the 3rd Round? "
Using your FA Cup comparison, wouldn't this situation be akin to Premier League clubs joining the FA Cup in the 2nd Round, while the Championship/Leaue 1 clubs get a free pass into the 3rd Round? "
I agree with you entirely on this issue, El G. I can't understand why what happens in the northern region doesn't apply in the central region, given both regions have a region-wide Premier League.
Up here, as you're aware, there's the prospect of a team like Taupo being drawn away to someone like Kerikeri. A helluva road trip, for sure, but that's exactly as it should be. Why the Taradales and Inglewoods of this world can't come up against the Wainuiomatas and Levins at the same time is beyond me - there's a double standard in operation, for mine.
What should happen is very straight-forward. Every year, on Queen's Birthday Monday, 32 Chatham Cup ties take place around the country - twelve in both the northern and central regions, and eight in the South Island.
Of those 64 teams, those competing in both the Northern Premier League and Central Region Premier League (and, if it ever materialises, the South Island Premier League, but in the absence of same, the top two place-getters from both the previous season's Mainland and Football South Premier Leagues) should not have kicked a ball in anger in the competition prior to this round.
This is a no-brainer, for mine - they are the best teams in their respective regions because they are playing in the highest tier of competition available in same, and this "right of passage" is a reward for securing that status.
Teams who aren't competing in these leagues have to earn the right to join those that do in the draw for our equivalent of the FA Cup third round, which means progressing through at least two rounds of action prior to reaching this point in the Cup.
Why this isn't currently the case comes back to the issue of the competition's structure, i.e. the FA Cup model on which the Chatham Cup is based. What's happening at present, i.e. Wellington teams entering earlier than should be the case, and the likes of Inglewood not kicking a ball in anger in the Cup until June 7 this year, is a result of the tinkering with said model which has taken place here over time, in order to, for want of a better word, "New Zealand-ise" it.
It comes back to the old adage, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". It's high time the powers that be addressed this issue and sorted it out so the sorts of anomalies which are in place at present are eliminated, and the annual "Road to North Harbour Stadium" is clearly defined so that clubs of equivalent standing around the country are entering the competition at the same time.
It's not rocket science, just common sense.
Cheers,
JR
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It's not rocket science, just common sense.
Perfect summation.
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All of us at Tawa are looking forward to knocking last years champs out in the 1st round!!
Still looking forward to this?
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Scousekiwi, that is so clearly the way it should be I wonder what the hell is going on at Capital Football. WHo is advocating for the 16 clubs that have paid their entry fee and are knocked out by the time that Central teams enter?? Someone isn't doing their job
Normo's coming home
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apparently there is a round on this weekend. Who would have thought it? I though this comp was of interest. Hallowed Turf hosting warfies tomorrow at 2.
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More rain and cancellations might let some of us get to some Big Cup although not sure I'd go to the game at Farrington Field. Might be too painful.
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Down here in the southern stage the Queenstown Rovers are play Mosgiel. Thats all I know about.
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Anyone got updates from Coll v Wairarapa?
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Diamonds 5. Wharf 1
mar7. Nanae. O
mar7. Nanae. O
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diamonds are looking sharper every week
Fuck this stupid game
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Diamonds 5. Wharf 1
mar7. Nanae. O
mar7. Nanae. O
Incorrect.
Miramar 9-0 Naenae
Wairarapa 7-0 Wellington College
Upper Hutt 1-0 Stop Out
Lower Hutt 2-1 Petone AET
Wests 4-1 Levin
Marist 3-0 Rongotai College
That's all I've got so far.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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Did Wests play there Under 15 team?
Our keeper broke his leg 22 minutes in and we had no RGK because our other keeper broke his ribs playing Miramar 2nds! Put big Jimmy in goal, he didn't do too bad actually hahaha, most of the goals would of been unstoppable by any keeper anyway! Have to say though, for a CL Squad, by goodness some of those Miramar boys go down soft! But I guess thats what they get taught to do in CL!
Our keeper broke his leg 22 minutes in and we had no RGK because our other keeper broke his ribs playing Miramar 2nds! Put big Jimmy in goal, he didn't do too bad actually hahaha, most of the goals would of been unstoppable by any keeper anyway! Have to say though, for a CL Squad, by goodness some of those Miramar boys go down soft! But I guess thats what they get taught to do in CL!
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Went to Dunedin for the Queenstown Rovers V Mosgiel game. Great game. 3-3 at the end of 90 minutes, 120th minute Mosgiel score. 4-3 after 120 minutes. Boy was I gutted.
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Wests was 4-0 over Levin.
Im guessing then it was a mix of Wests reserves and U21 players. No way would their CL squad have beaten them only 4-0, wouldve been double figures for sure
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Diamonds 5. Wharf 1
mar7. Nanae. O
mar7. Nanae. O
Incorrect.
Miramar 9-0 Naenae
Wairarapa 7-0 Wellington College
Upper Hutt 1-0 Stop Out
Lower Hutt 2-1 Petone AET
Wests 4-1 Levin
Marist 3-0 Rongotai College
That's all I've got so far.
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He's got a birthday bash on so I imagine he headed out to that.
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shame the Pope's United beat Wynton, Killen and Raf's old team
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Amazing cup match between the mighty Birko and Hibiscus Coast yesterday. 1-0 down at the half we looked rubbish but came out firing in the second, eventually getting the equaliser via a penalty after the ref had already bottled three other penalty shouts. 1-1 at full time and we kept dominating all the chances in extra time but just as it looked destined to head to penalties we scored the winner with 2 mins left. Cue wild celebrations with tons of Birko supporters who made the trip up the coast (including yours truly) sprinting onto the field to crown our new hero.
Chatham Cup ?????
Chatham Cup ?????
Three for me, and two for them.
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Diamonds 5. Wharf 1
mar7. Nanae. O
mar7. Nanae. O
Incorrect.
Miramar 9-0 Naenae
Wairarapa 7-0 Wellington College
Upper Hutt 1-0 Stop Out
Lower Hutt 2-1 Petone AET
Wests 4-1 Levin
Marist 3-0 Rongotai College
That's all I've got so far.
Founder
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Um...
Full Wests squad had a casual day at the office then?
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Diamonds 5. Wharf 1
mar7. Nanae. O
mar7. Nanae. O
Incorrect.
Miramar 9-0 Naenae
Wairarapa 7-0 Wellington College
Upper Hutt 1-0 Stop Out
Lower Hutt 2-1 Petone AET
Wests 4-1 Levin
Marist 3-0 Rongotai College
That's all I've got so far.
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tawa 1-0 up at olympic. 20 mins to go. Defending champs out?
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crap.....2 goals in 5 mins after a shocking miss by the big ogre up front for olympic. 2-1 olympic maybe 10 to go
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Bubbles squeak through against Tawa
3-1
3-1
Salmon swim upstream
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