I do wonder if mid-season might be better if it was just 1 side?
thats not what the question was fattyWith a 10 team grade the impact wouldn't be so large but two up two down twice a season is pretty wholesale changes in an 8 team grade.
Not sure of a solution either tbh was never a fan of having the season split into two halfs feels more like mini tournaments then a season. Possibly you could take the winner from the first half and the winner from the second half of the season for promotion at the end of the season so at least theres something to play for?
yeah could work (unless the winning team from the first round gets relegated in second!)
(This problem only concerns mens Cap12 and wimmins Div1 by the way)
Feverish2011-07-29 15:12:56Founder
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Didn't others get warned for speculating on a possible answer instead of letting CF answer?
Allegedly
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the other question wasn't speculative (you would hope)
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Didn't others get warned for speculating on a possible answer instead of letting CF answer?
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Hopefully this is an OK question to ask, if not delete away, but how do Capital Football try to manage which teams/grades play on the artificial pitches? Obviously there are only two (unless Boyd Wilson is used?) so space on them is at a premium, so I just wonder how they manage?
I play for a Cap 5 Karori team and we've only had one game on Te Whaea (on a Friday night) and are yet to grace Wakefield, whereas I know some people playing Cap 12 I think who've had three games at Te Whaea and one at Wakefield this season.
I don't know when those matches were played, if they were midweek or not, but I know most of us would willingly play midweek games rather than play in the Somme like conditions at Wilton last weekend (especially when we were then cancelled today of all days!).
Hope this isn't unreasonable, and I'm not really having a moan - just pointing out that there seem to be discrepancies and wondering if it's down to chance and bad luck or do CF make some effort to even out playing time?
I play for a Cap 5 Karori team and we've only had one game on Te Whaea (on a Friday night) and are yet to grace Wakefield, whereas I know some people playing Cap 12 I think who've had three games at Te Whaea and one at Wakefield this season.
I don't know when those matches were played, if they were midweek or not, but I know most of us would willingly play midweek games rather than play in the Somme like conditions at Wilton last weekend (especially when we were then cancelled today of all days!).
Hope this isn't unreasonable, and I'm not really having a moan - just pointing out that there seem to be discrepancies and wondering if it's down to chance and bad luck or do CF make some effort to even out playing time?
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Good question Everton.
Might have something to do with which grades were cancelled more earlier on in the year, and needing to catch them up, so scheduling them on the artificial to make sure they cannot be cancelled.
But CF will have a more full answer I'm sure.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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Your referees can't get everything right all the time and they also get abused on the fields by players, club people, spectators, wives and partners and also on this YF forum. Why do you allow your referees to be treated this way? Can you withdraw refrees from all games and have a "No Referee Soccer"? AngusBeef2011-08-01 13:41:32
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From my dealings with Cap Football it revolves a lot around the grades who have "Wellington Heavy" grades. So a grade with three IBU teams, a Brooklyn team, A Welly Utd team, an Olympic team and 2 Varsity teams (I've made that up, but it's similar to Cap 4) are more likely to be scheduled on Wakefield/Te Whaea as that means all their games will be played.
If a grade has a few Hutt and Porirua clubs then it's more likely those games can be played as there is not as much pressure on the grounds out there so they don't have the same desperate need to get them all done on an artificial. Because, as you will often see they schedule a whole grade on the artificial to ensure the whole round is played.
If a grade has a few Hutt and Porirua clubs then it's more likely those games can be played as there is not as much pressure on the grounds out there so they don't have the same desperate need to get them all done on an artificial. Because, as you will often see they schedule a whole grade on the artificial to ensure the whole round is played.
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Does anyone no why there are no lights on the light pole in the corner by the changing rooms on Te Whaea? It is quite dark in that corner. When will it be fixed?
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Think thats a question for the council? It is a bit dodgy.
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Someone backed in to the poll and cleaned it up. New lights (or poll?) have been ordered but the order is taking an age to fill.
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This thread has turned into "ask News and Smithy"...
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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Perhaps you two are the wise owls. AngusBeef2011-08-02 13:43:19
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perhaps they should run for the cF board
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I don't know which gag to run with here...
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Someone backed in to the poll and cleaned it up. New lights (or poll?) have been ordered but the order is taking an age to fill.
Correct. The pole couldn't handle the weight of the lights. Apparently a new one had to come from Malaysia. According to WCC it is now fixed.
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Can you put a link to yellow fever on your website?
No need, here is link http://www.yellowfever.co.nz
You can even add to Favourites!
Okay seriously, now that Yellow Fever has establshed itself as a reputable source of information probably no reason why not.
Okay seriously, now that Yellow Fever has establshed itself as a reputable source of information probably no reason why not.
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CF
If Cap 1 finishes Petone, Wharf, Norf Welli
And the bottom of Prem is Nui then Wests.
And Nui beats NW in the playoff match.
And then UH or Utd get promoted to CL for 2012.
Who gets the vacant Prem spot in 2012? Wests or NW??
As per CF Regs
Promotion/Relegation
1) General Provisions:
a) In promotion/relegation matters, promotions are always completed first,
then relegations are made as required.
Wests would automatically go down, NW even if lose playoff would go up
(However, if IBU end up 3rd then only Petone go up and Wests stay!)
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Any idea on dates for RTC/FTC trials in Sept yet? My team has tournaments Sep 3/4 and Sep 11 but I don't want my players to miss out on an opportunity to trial.
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Correct. The pole couldn't handle the weight of the lights. Apparently a new one had to come from Malaysia. According to WCC it is now fixed.
I can confirm this is the case and Te Whaea is no fully lit again.
Made it much easier for the Ambulance to see what they were doing as they carried a Naenae masters player off with a dislocated knee last night.
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your going home in Hard News Ambulance?
Salmon swim upstream
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your going home in Hard News Ambulance?
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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You've been saving that for months haven't you...
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You've been saving that for months haven't you...
Years.
Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.
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If you are going to call each other names find another thread!
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Any idea on dates for RTC/FTC trials in Sept yet? My team has tournaments Sep 3/4 and Sep 11 but I don't want my players to miss out on an opportunity to trial.
Trails for FTC/RTC will be commencing Sept 12
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Dear CF
You have a new (I think) rule that players can only play in one Cup comp. My team has a Kelly Cup game this weekend and I have a few players leaving for US College and four at NZ u17s camp. Our Div 1 team played in their cup last week. We only have two wimmins teams. I am battling to find eligible players.
Can you please change this rule.
thanks
Shut up Feverish you won 7 - 0The rule won't be changed. Unfortunately it has been put there to stop teams "stacking" their lower graded teams. This is what happened in the Womens 2 Cup final last year where both teams dropped more than 3 players and the result was null and void
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�Shut up Feverish you won 7 - 0
With only 10 players too.
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Shut up Feverish you won 7 - 0
With only 10 players too.
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Dear CF
Why do the BNU and island bay teams have to play at Te Whea on Monday night while the rest of the grade plays at wakefield on Monday. Are we not the home teams?
This is frustrating because the following monday we spent $300 at our clubs bar and want to support our club.
They need all the support they can get since it now costs us $1000 per red card.
thanks
Why do the BNU and island bay teams have to play at Te Whea on Monday night while the rest of the grade plays at wakefield on Monday. Are we not the home teams?
This is frustrating because the following monday we spent $300 at our clubs bar and want to support our club.
They need all the support they can get since it now costs us $1000 per red card.
thanks
As advised previously this was intended as light hearted banter however, probably worthwhile answering.
Firstly Yellow Cards $25 + $11.50 processing fee = $36.50
Yellow card for dissent $37.50 + $11.50 = $48.50
Red Cards $50 + $11.50 = $61.50
Red card for offensive/insulting/abusive language $75 + $11.50 = $81.50
I think you mean that it costs you $1,000 for the season
Firstly Yellow Cards $25 + $11.50 processing fee = $36.50
Yellow card for dissent $37.50 + $11.50 = $48.50
Red Cards $50 + $11.50 = $61.50
Red card for offensive/insulting/abusive language $75 + $11.50 = $81.50
I think you mean that it costs you $1,000 for the season
As to playing home games at Wakefield doing draws for1500 teams per weekend and now mid week is no easy feat. In fact it could be compared to rocket science. In additon, as per the reply to Junior82 "As much as CF would like to meet specific requests, all teams affiliation fees include ground charges for artificials therefore as much possible this needs to be shared amongst all grades, men, women and juniors. Cheers "
Almost all teams would like a run at Wakefield, plus mid week WU and Olympic as well as BNU and IBU could say that Wakefield is their home ground.
Almost all teams would like a run at Wakefield, plus mid week WU and Olympic as well as BNU and IBU could say that Wakefield is their home ground.
What is hugely ironic is that we are now arguing over whcih artificial to play on!!!
Not possible 2 years ago.
Not possible 2 years ago.
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When does the transfer window open again?
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When does the transfer window open again?
As per NZF Regulations 1st October
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CF, Stop out womens div 3 team has had two HOME games against Naenae and Nth Wellington where the games were played at Naenae park and Alex Moore. Whats up with that?
When Capital Football is faced with ground closures and restrictions home advantage goes out the window. Our aim is to play as many games as possible and in some cases that means "reverse fixturing"games. In the situations put forward it is likely that Hutt Park was closed and therefore games were moved to the other teams ground. Not ideal, but the alternative is not play in which case there would be extreme difficulty in completing the season.
It happens in almost all grades, try these transfers for example:-
Womens 2
Stokes Valley __ Kapiti Coast United __ Delaney 1 (1pm) NOW Weka 1
Masters 3
Tawa Blues __ Nth Wgtn Onslows __ Onepoto 1 (2.30pm) NOW Awakairangi 5
Capital 18
Masters 3
Tawa Blues __ Nth Wgtn Onslows __ Onepoto 1 (2.30pm) NOW Awakairangi 5
Capital 18
BNU __ Tawa Stus Lot __ Happy Valley 2 (2.30pm) NOW Onepoto 1
Capital 11
Nth Wgtn Phat Boys __ Uni Rangers __ Alex Moore 2 (12.30pm) NOW Ngatitoa 1
Just to name a few!!
Nth Wgtn Phat Boys __ Uni Rangers __ Alex Moore 2 (12.30pm) NOW Ngatitoa 1
Just to name a few!!
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Cap footy 
Great work coming on here and answering peoples questions. TopLeft072011-08-03 18:24:47
Great work coming on here and answering peoples questions. TopLeft072011-08-03 18:24:47
Fuck this stupid game
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Not sure of a solution either tbh was never a fan of having the season split into two halfs feels more like mini tournaments then a season. Possibly you could take the winner from the first half and the winner from the second half of the season for promotion at the end of the season so at least theres something to play for?
yeah could work (unless the winning team from the first round gets relegated in second!)
(This problem only concerns mens Cap12 and wimmins Div1 by the way)
Fair call this and something that has only been identified this year.
Didn't affect Cap 12 two top teams at Round 1, were same top two after round 2.
Didn't affect Cap 12 two top teams at Round 1, were same top two after round 2.
However, in Womens 1, Wgtn Utd Sapphires have probably been hard done by. Were the top team after Round 1 and then 4th after Round 2 so don't get promoted.
Will look into this during the off-season to see if there is a solution.
Maybe the top team after Round 1 takes forward half the points to Round 2 say.
Then the 2nd place team after Round 1 will cry unfair (1/3 points?)
So not so easy
Maybe the top team after Round 1 takes forward half the points to Round 2 say.
Then the 2nd place team after Round 1 will cry unfair (1/3 points?)
So not so easy
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Hopefully this is an OK question to ask, if not delete away, but how do Capital Football try to manage which teams/grades play on the artificial pitches? Obviously there are only two (unless Boyd Wilson is used?) so space on them is at a premium, so I just wonder how they manage?
I play for a Cap 5 Karori team and we've only had one game on Te Whaea (on a Friday night) and are yet to grace Wakefield, whereas I know some people playing Cap 12 I think who've had three games at Te Whaea and one at Wakefield this season.
I don't know when those matches were played, if they were midweek or not, but I know most of us would willingly play midweek games rather than play in the Somme like conditions at Wilton last weekend (especially when we were then cancelled today of all days!).
Hope this isn't unreasonable, and I'm not really having a moan - just pointing out that there seem to be discrepancies and wondering if it's down to chance and bad luck or do CF make some effort to even out playing time?
I play for a Cap 5 Karori team and we've only had one game on Te Whaea (on a Friday night) and are yet to grace Wakefield, whereas I know some people playing Cap 12 I think who've had three games at Te Whaea and one at Wakefield this season.
I don't know when those matches were played, if they were midweek or not, but I know most of us would willingly play midweek games rather than play in the Somme like conditions at Wilton last weekend (especially when we were then cancelled today of all days!).
Hope this isn't unreasonable, and I'm not really having a moan - just pointing out that there seem to be discrepancies and wondering if it's down to chance and bad luck or do CF make some effort to even out playing time?
Energy 24.7 has pretty much summed it up earlier. Capital Football does try and share it out as much as possible. However, the aim is to try and deliver 18 games for each team. Therefore those grades that are struggling to get through their season will get preference and they are likely to be Wellington "heavy" grades. Masters 3 from memory are getting their 1st run on the artificials this week.
In terms of sharing,the aim will be to try and give every team at least one game on the artificials although that may still not be possible. At the end of the day there still won't necessarily be an even balance. Some clubs will get more use than others, some grades will get more and some teams will get more than others. Hope that helps.
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How good is the night lighting at your Te Whea and Wakefield pitches? I mean ? lux? What is the mininum lightning for night time playing and competition games according to FIFA?
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How good is the night lighting at your Te Whea and Wakefield pitches? I mean ? lux? What is the mininum lightning for night time playing and competition games according to FIFA?
Put it this way AngusBeef you should wear sunscreen at Wakefield as the lighting is that good.
Teza2011-08-04 08:52:24
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How good is the night lighting at your Te Whea and Wakefield pitches? I mean ? lux? What is the mininum lightning for night time playing and competition games according to FIFA?
The minimum amount of lighting needed for training is significantly less than for competitions games.
The lux levels are as follows:-
The lux levels are as follows:-
Te Whaea 150
Wakefield 200
FIFA have a substantial document callled "Guide to the Artificial Lighting for Football pitches"
Not much help really. It talks about the lux levels being in the thousands and how high they should be for TV cameras. So is targeted a international and top level.
Having said that both pitches would recieve FIFA 1 Star Rating for artificials
Having said that both pitches would recieve FIFA 1 Star Rating for artificials
The best source around this that could be found is this document:
Football and Netball Lighting Guide from the State Government Victoria
Generally speaking the suggested levels are as follows:-
Generally speaking the suggested levels are as follows:-
Australian Rules
Training 50 Lux
Competiton games and Match practice 100 Lux
Semi-Professional Competition 200 Lux
Semi-Professional Competition 200 Lux
Netball
Training 100 Lux
Competiton Match Play 200 Lux
So the lighting at the artificials here in Wgtn certainly seem to be within accepted standards
Training 100 Lux
Competiton Match Play 200 Lux
So the lighting at the artificials here in Wgtn certainly seem to be within accepted standards
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