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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
so it will be replayed?
 

 

1)      Any match abandoned for any reason shall be reported immediately to the Manager.   This responsibility lies with the Referee, if present, or the Home team.   After considering the facts, the Manager may decide that:

 

a)      the score at the time of the abandonment shall stand, providing a minimum of 60 minutes have been played, or

the match will be re-scheduled to another date

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Hey Cap Football- are you going to make a song and dance about the fact that the past three Chatham Cup winners have come from your geo-socialogical purview? Coincidence much?

Salmon swim upstream

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Salmon07 wrote:
Hey Cap Football- are you going to make a song and dance about the fact that the past three Chatham Cup winners have come from your geo-socialogical purview? Coincidence much?
 
Three different teams too, which is pretty cool.
 
And four of the past six finalists.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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[QUOTE=bobboltontawa2]can you explain the capital 1 situation? how come a game was played, result over turned, now the game dosn't even show on the results table.
 
The two teams involved Miramar and KCU did not play on the pitch allocated by Capital Football. As per the CF regulations the home team had a default recorded against them i.e. a 0-2 loss.
Miramar appealed to NZF who ruled that the game be treated as being abandoned. That is what the table reflects.     
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WHY?  If you have a rule and that rule was broken, the prescribed penalty should be incurred even if it is Miramar.  Half answers are not openness. 
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Didnt the ref agree that the pitch was unsuitable?
 
If so, than he should have abandoned the match instead of moving to a different pitch. Hence neither of the teams solely at fault and game should either stand or be replayed rather than the home team being penalised with a default. Seems like common sense to me.

A dog with a bone :)

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the result decides whether Wests stay up or Utd resies go up doesnt it (assuming Utd beat Red Sox)?

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Capitalfootball, question, why was miramar deducted the points for the match that was played on the incorect field when your regulations state 

 

 Where a home team does not play on its allocated ground, the game will be treated as a default to the home team."

 

Was miramar not the home team?, if so, then why the points not awarded to the "home" team as per reg 2 4.8, if the wording was "against the home team" then I can understand. Miramar losing the points.

critter2011-08-29 23:21:04
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critter wrote:

Capitalfootball, question, why was miramar deducted the points for the match that was played on the incorect field when your regulations state 

 

 Where a home team does not play on its allocated ground, the game will be treated as a default to the home team."

 

Was miramar not the home team?, if so, then why the points not awarded to the "home" team as per reg 2 4.8, if the wording was "against the home team" then I can understand. Miramar losing the points.

Reading this rule it is like the the one about the move if Wgtn United win and go to Cl then united 2nd team wont move any way.
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What the CF regulations state is now not relevant. NZF has ruled that the game be treated as though it was abandoned. This is how that game has been recorded on the table.

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What the CF regulations state is now not relevant. NZF has ruled that the game be treated as though it was abandoned. This is how that game has�been recorded on the table.

Will this have any effect on any promotions/relegations.
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Smithy wrote:
Salmon07 wrote:
Hey Cap Football- are you going to make a song and dance about the fact that the past three Chatham Cup winners have come from your geo-socialogical purview? Coincidence much?
 
Three different teams too, which is pretty cool.
 
And four of the past six finalists.
 
Don't think that it is a coincidence although the clubs would possibly suggest that Capital Football wasn't the reason why. There are a number of reasons in relation to the Central League competition, some obviously debatable:-
 
Quality of players. A number of the teams have ASB Premiership players in their squads. This should raise the playing standard.
 
Professionalism of the teams. Again probably varies, but generally the clubs are committed to providing a high standard on and off the field.

The variety the Central teams provide, the travel, different styles.
 
The strength of the teams in the Premier League. Upper Hutt beat Tawa in the Chatham Cup, Stop Out lost 1 - 0 to Napier and Wgtn United beat Olympic and lost to Wairarapa 1 - 0 in extra time.
 
The intense rivalry between the clubs and the desire to win the league. Matt Calcott quoted in the DomPost "I've been to three cup finals but the league is always a priority". "It's over 18 games and this Central League is fantastic - look at all the teams who have made the cup finals in the last few years"  
 
The closeness of the League. Look at these results:-
Tawa beat Olympic twice, beat Wairarapa, Wests and drew with Miiramar
Petone beat Miramar, Olympic and drew with Napier
Maycenvale beat Lower Hutt twice and drew with Olympic and Wairarapa
PN Marist beat Wests and Lower Hutt, drew with Wairarapa
 
Keeping the league interesting. Trying to cut down on having meanginless games. That's why the title winning games are kept to as close as possible to the end of the season. In the last month every game Napier and Wairarapa played they had to win to keep in touch with Miramar. This may have aided their cup runs.

Hope this helps   
 
 
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interesting to know if Calcott was being honest when he said CL was priority. Pretty clear that Cup is better I would have thought

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over 14 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
So the regulations aren't regulations at all?   We are all operating under unknown and fluid conditions.  This is no way to run a serious competition - or are we not serious?
And still no answer to the question - why was the regulation consequence not applied?  If it was the referee's decision then I can understand it.Mr Blobby2011-08-30 22:00:12
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It's not exactly CFs fault if NZF chose to overrule the pretty clear CF regulation.

Pretty strange situation.

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Speaking of overridingrules I heard an Upper Hutt premier player was given dispensation to play Capital 5 last weekend? What's the point of having these rules if they just get over-ruled all the time?
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For CF to claim �What the CF regulations state is now not relevant� has nothing to do with the question I asked.

By CF making it�s self available to answer questions on this forum, they should answer my question and not run for cover when it has been proven that by Miramar winning the appeal, CF had not adhered to their own regulations.

�Relevant� or not, all I am asking is for CF to give a definitive answer to why they did not adhere to their own regulations by not awarding the points to Miramar.

Not replaying the match it may look in some circles that because Miramar has won the appeal, CF will have the last laugh by penalising Miramar and not re-playing the match.

 

critter2011-09-01 11:17:38
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Is there any reason why the refs in lower grades (div 6) are not allowed to having rolling subs?  Every team in the grade wants it as it's a social grade but refs are being very pedantic about it.  They say that it's a CF directive and that the clubs have been saying they want it.  Obviously in the higher grades you don't have it, but I find it hard to find a reason not to have it when both teams agree to it.  Is this something that can be looked at for next year (or even better this weekend).  All the teams are social and want to give everyone a decent run.  Most people are pretty keen for a rest or two during the game and if you only have 1 sub it's often a big ask for 10 players to play a full game.  The old legs dont carry people as far as they used to!
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Whats the story with the games on Saturday night at Wakefield?  Our game (Cap 7/8 Final) Keeps changing between 7.15 and 5.15.  Could Cap Footy please confirm the correct times?  Are they as per the paper or the website?

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Pretzel wrote:

Whats the story with the games on Saturday night at Wakefield?  Our game (Cap 7/8 Final) Keeps changing between 7.15 and 5.15.  Could Cap Footy please confirm the correct times?  Are they as per the paper or the website?

 
think it got changed around with the cap 9/10 (tawa v uni) final didn't it because tawa afcs prize giving is on saturday night and 7.15 game would limit their attendance.
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Liverporou wrote:
Is there any reason why the refs in lower grades (div 6) are not allowed to having rolling subs?  Every team in the grade wants it as it's a social grade but refs are being very pedantic about it.  They say that it's a CF directive and that the clubs have been saying they want it.  Obviously in the higher grades you don't have it, but I find it hard to find a reason not to have it when both teams agree to it.  Is this something that can be looked at for next year (or even better this weekend).  All the teams are social and want to give everyone a decent run.  Most people are pretty keen for a rest or two during the game and if you only have 1 sub it's often a big ask for 10 players to play a full game.  The old legs dont carry people as far as they used to!


This is particularly interesting when you consider that rolling subs are allowed for all women's grades other than Central League... why is that?  You'd think it would be more appropriate to have rolling subs for Cap 5/6 men than it is for Women's Prem?
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Yeah, that what I thought.  But we are now back at 5.15 according to the paper (apparently, haven't seen it myself), and are we not supposed to go by the paper? 
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Hanbanan wrote:
Liverporou wrote:
Is there any reason why the refs in lower grades (div 6) are not allowed to having rolling subs?  Every team in the grade wants it as it's a social grade but refs are being very pedantic about it.  They say that it's a CF directive and that the clubs have been saying they want it.  Obviously in the higher grades you don't have it, but I find it hard to find a reason not to have it when both teams agree to it.  Is this something that can be looked at for next year (or even better this weekend).  All the teams are social and want to give everyone a decent run.  Most people are pretty keen for a rest or two during the game and if you only have 1 sub it's often a big ask for 10 players to play a full game.  The old legs dont carry people as far as they used to!


This is particularly interesting when you consider that rolling subs are allowed for all women's grades other than Central League... why is that?  You'd think it would be more appropriate to have rolling subs for Cap 5/6 men than it is for Women's Prem?
didnt think Prem had rolling subs? Pretty sure they dont in the Regs. Good if they do though.

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from 31 may
 

HI All,

I have had a number of comments from the referees over the past two weeks about rolling substitutes in the Men�s Competitions. 

 

As per the Capital Football regulations and the FIFA Laws of the Game the only men�s games that rolling substitutes are permissible is in Master�s football. Exceptions are in the Undeer 21 league and the Horo/Kapiti/Wairarapa local leagues.

 

This will be case for the Cup Finals at the end of the season as well should a referee be appointed to these games.  

 

That means that any game, regardless of the division that has a referee appointed to the match will not be allowed to have rolling subs.  Teams will be allowed to name 5 substitutes and able to use 3 of these during the match.

 

Can you please remind your teams of this and not to pressure referee�s into allowing rolling substitutes in these matches.

 

Helen can you please send this out to the referee�s as well.

 

Regards

Jamie Cross

Capital Football Competitions Manager

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Boo!

Can we mutually agree not to have a referee then...

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Pretzel wrote:
Yeah, that what I thought.  But we are now back at 5.15 according to the paper (apparently, haven't seen it myself), and are we not supposed to go by the paper? 

Your game is at 7.15pm
The best bet is always to take whats on the website. CF has control over this can make any changes required. The draw is sent to the paper Tuesday mornings and can't be changed.
 
Generally CF leave the website the same as the paper (to avoid the confusion that has happened here) and any changes are part of the Cancellations/Transfers Friday night. On this occasion jumped the gun somewhat early. 
 
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Feverish wrote:
Hanbanan wrote:
Liverporou wrote:
Is there any reason why the refs in lower grades (div 6) are not allowed to having rolling subs?  Every team in the grade wants it as it's a social grade but refs are being very pedantic about it.  They say that it's a CF directive and that the clubs have been saying they want it.  Obviously in the higher grades you don't have it, but I find it hard to find a reason not to have it when both teams agree to it.  Is this something that can be looked at for next year (or even better this weekend).  All the teams are social and want to give everyone a decent run.  Most people are pretty keen for a rest or two during the game and if you only have 1 sub it's often a big ask for 10 players to play a full game.  The old legs dont carry people as far as they used to!


This is particularly interesting when you consider that rolling subs are allowed for all women's grades other than Central League... why is that?  You'd think it would be more appropriate to have rolling subs for Cap 5/6 men than it is for Women's Prem?
didnt think Prem had rolling subs? Pretty sure they dont in the Regs. Good if they do though.
 

16 Women�s Leagues - Substitutions

 

a)      Womens� Premier and Women�s 1, a maximum of 3 rolling substitutes may be used in a game

 

b)      Women�s  2 down, a maximum of 5 rolling substitutes may be used in a game

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Hanbanan wrote:
Liverporou wrote:
Is there any reason why the refs in lower grades (div 6) are not allowed to having rolling subs?  Every team in the grade wants it as it's a social grade but refs are being very pedantic about it.  They say that it's a CF directive and that the clubs have been saying they want it.  Obviously in the higher grades you don't have it, but I find it hard to find a reason not to have it when both teams agree to it.  Is this something that can be looked at for next year (or even better this weekend).  All the teams are social and want to give everyone a decent run.  Most people are pretty keen for a rest or two during the game and if you only have 1 sub it's often a big ask for 10 players to play a full game.  The old legs dont carry people as far as they used to!


This is particularly interesting when you consider that rolling subs are allowed for all women's grades other than Central League... why is that?  You'd think it would be more appropriate to have rolling subs for Cap 5/6 men than it is for Women's Prem?
 
FIFA Laws of the Game allows the laws to be modified for women footballers. 
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Hanbanan wrote:
Liverporou wrote:
Is there any reason why the refs in lower grades (div 6) are not allowed to having rolling subs?� Every team in the grade wants it as it's a social grade but refs are being very pedantic about it.� They say that it's a CF directive and that the clubs have been saying they want it.� Obviously in the higher grades you don't have it, but I find it hard to find a reason not to have it when both teams agree to it.� Is this something that can be looked at for next year (or even better this weekend).� All the teams are social and want to give everyone a decent run.� Most people are pretty keen for a rest or two during the game and if you only have 1 sub it's often a big ask for 10 players to play a full game.� The old legs dont carry people as far as they used to!
This is particularly interesting when you consider that rolling subs are allowed for all women's grades other than Central League... why is that?� You'd think it would be more appropriate to have rolling subs for Cap 5/6 men than it is for Women's Prem?

�

FIFA Laws of the Game allows the laws to be modified for women footballers.�


wanganui local league has been using rolling subs for at least 3 seasons maybe longer.they have a sub break every 15 minutes called by the ref and this is the only times you can make a sub exepting injury and the injured player has to stay off for the rest of the game.
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Liverporou wrote:
Is there any reason why the refs in lower grades (div 6) are not allowed to having rolling subs?  Every team in the grade wants it as it's a social grade but refs are being very pedantic about it.  They say that it's a CF directive and that the clubs have been saying they want it.  Obviously in the higher grades you don't have it, but I find it hard to find a reason not to have it when both teams agree to it.  Is this something that can be looked at for next year (or even better this weekend).  All the teams are social and want to give everyone a decent run.  Most people are pretty keen for a rest or two during the game and if you only have 1 sub it's often a big ask for 10 players to play a full game.  The old legs dont carry people as far as they used to!
 
Really good question. The reason the refs don't allow is that the laws of the game don't allow it in mens football. The real posiitive is that there are actually enough referees now that games down to Capital 6 can have referees. It is interesting that it is suggested that Capital 6 is a social league. Not sure that CF has taken that view considering in Cap 5 there are two clubs 1st teams. However, this is an issue than can be discussed for next year.
 
As to the email copied here from Jamie Cross. Obviously where there is not a referee appointed then the two teams can agree to have rolling subs. Also for the Cup Finals 7/8 down the refrees have allowed rolling subs as Referees wouldn't normally be appointed to these games.  
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Pretzel wrote:
Yeah, that what I thought.  But we are now back at 5.15 according to the paper (apparently, haven't seen it myself), and are we not supposed to go by the paper? 

Your game is at 7.15pm
The best bet is always to take whats on the website. CF has control over this can make any changes required. The draw is sent to the paper Tuesday mornings and can't be changed.
 
Generally CF leave the website the same as the paper (to avoid the confusion that has happened here) and any changes are part of the Cancellations/Transfers Friday night. On this occasion jumped the gun somewhat early. 
 
 
Awesome!  Thanks CF!
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What the CF regulations state is now not relevant. NZF has ruled that the game be treated as though it was abandoned. This is how that game has�been recorded on the table.

So the game was played, 90 mins completed? Yet it's down as abandoned? I don't know how this is possible.

Does the fact it was "abandoned" mean the game has to be replayed?

What a shambles CF.

Fuck this stupid game

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TopLeft07 wrote:

What the CF regulations state is now not relevant. NZF has ruled that the game be treated as though it was abandoned. This is how that game has been recorded on the table.

So the game was played, 90 mins completed? Yet it's down as abandoned? I don't know how this is possible.

Does the fact it was "abandoned" mean the game has to be replayed?

What a shambles CF.
who knows whats going on - but looks like WU to Prem and Wests out at this stage doesnt it?

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Feverish wrote:
TopLeft07 wrote:

What the CF regulations state is now not relevant. NZF has ruled that the game be treated as though it was abandoned. This is how that game has�been recorded on the table.

So the game was played, 90 mins completed? Yet it's down as abandoned? I don't know how this is possible. Does the fact it was "abandoned" mean the game has to be replayed? What a shambles CF.


who knows whats going on - but looks like WU to Prem and Wests out at this stage doesnt it?

Only if we win the CL play off tomorrow AND if Mar don't end up third in Capital 1. TopLeft072011-09-02 16:01:52

Fuck this stupid game

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TopLeft07 wrote:
Feverish wrote:
TopLeft07 wrote:

What the CF regulations state is now not relevant. NZF has ruled that the game be treated as though it was abandoned. This is how that game has been recorded on the table.

So the game was played, 90 mins completed? Yet it's down as abandoned? I don't know how this is possible. Does the fact it was "abandoned" mean the game has to be replayed? What a shambles CF.


who knows whats going on - but looks like WU to Prem and Wests out at this stage doesnt it?

Only if we win the CL play off tomorrow AND if Mar don't end up third in Capital 1.
 so are you gonna celebrate double promo tomoz when you win?

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Feverish wrote:
TopLeft07 wrote:
Feverish wrote:
TopLeft07 wrote:

What the CF regulations state is now not relevant. NZF has ruled that the game be treated as though it was abandoned. This is how that game has�been recorded on the table.

So the game was played, 90 mins completed? Yet it's down as abandoned? I don't know how this is possible. Does the fact it was "abandoned" mean the game has to be replayed? What a shambles CF.


who knows whats going on - but looks like WU to Prem and Wests out at this stage doesnt it?
Only if we win the CL play off tomorrow AND if Mar don't end up third in Capital 1.
2)     At the end of the normal season, the following will determine promotion from Capital 1 and relegation from Capital Premier:

a)     If the top two teams in Capital 1 are eligible for promotion, the top two teams in Capital 1 will be automatically promoted and the bottom two teams in Capital Premier will be automatically relegated.

b)     If the top team in Capital 1 is not eligible for promotion:
(i)     The team finishing second in Capital 1 (if eligible for promotion) will be automatically promoted
(ii)   The team finishing bottom in Capital Premier will be automatically relegated
(iii)   The team finishing third in Capital 1 (if eligible for promotion) will play-off with the ninth-placed team in Capital Premier

c)     If the second-placed team in Capital 1 is not eligible for promotion:
(i)     The team finishing top in Capital 1 (if eligible for promotion) will be automatically promoted
(ii)    The team finishing bottom in Capital Premier will be automatically relegated
(iii)     the team finishing third in Capital 1 (if eligible for promotion) will play-off with the ninth-placed team in Capital Premier

d)     If, in either of the situations described in (b) and (c) above, the third placed team in Capital 1 is not eligible for promotion, there will only be one promoted team from Capital 1 and the ninth-placed team in Capital Premier will not be relegated.

e)     If neither of the teams finishing first and second in Capital 1 is eligible for promotion, the third placed team in Capital 1 will be automatically promoted and the team placed bottom in Capital Premier will be automatically relegated.

f)     When more than two teams are required to be relegated from Capital Premier, the principle of promotion outlined in Paragraph 1(a) will be followed.


�so are you gonna celebrate double promo tomoz when you win?
How can this apply if the rounds are not complete so no 3rd place decided. And if the Mar kapiti game does not go ahead and WU go up it is a diqualification for Mar/Kapiti.
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Feverish wrote:
TopLeft07 wrote:
Feverish wrote:
TopLeft07 wrote:

What the CF regulations state is now not relevant. NZF has ruled that the game be treated as though it was abandoned. This is how that game has�been recorded on the table.

So the game was played, 90 mins completed? Yet it's down as abandoned? I don't know how this is possible. Does the fact it was "abandoned" mean the game has to be replayed? What a shambles CF.


who knows whats going on - but looks like WU to Prem and Wests out at this stage doesnt it?
Only if we win the CL play off tomorrow AND if Mar don't end up third in Capital 1.

�so are you gonna celebrate double promo tomoz when you win?
Depends whether CF will answer these questions by then.

Fuck this stupid game

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Feverish wrote:
so are you gonna celebrate double promo tomoz when you win?
Not looking likely. Would be nice to know on the night of our club prize giving though.

Fuck this stupid game

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TopLeft07 wrote:
Depends whether CF will answer these questions by then.
 
I think they have had to much controversy this season to think of an answer to this one until their is no other option.
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The two teams involved Miramar and KCU did not play on the pitch allocated by Capital Football. As per the CF regulations the home team had a default recorded against them i.e. a 0-2 loss.
Miramar appealed to NZF who ruled that the game be treated as being abandoned.

NZF did not direct that the game had to be replayed and therefore it won' be.
 
That is what the table reflects.   
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Doesn't it make sense that an abandoned match be replayed though? The league is incomplete otherwise.

They didn't direct the game should be replayed,but by the same token they didn't say that it shouldn't be...

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