about 2 months ago· edited about 2 months ago· History
I struggle to see how this gets over the line.. to give you a perspective of how things in Argentina football work, all the clubs are owned by the fans “socios” and none are privately owned.. small clubs are funded by fans paying membership fees and all the big money that a club makes is through player sales, and some through continental qualification. For a club like River Plate or Boca to agree to this, there is a whole approval process for it to happen, the high paying socios who get voting rights have to vote on this (a personal example, is my fathers club is called Estudiantes de Plata, when they sold a player to Europe a few years ago, they decided to upgrade their floodlight in the stadium as it needed replacing) and if it is approved, the executive committee and president (Argentina football presidents can be very powerful people in Argentine society depending on the club, we are talking big union bosses, former presidents, big business people), have to agree to it. Like everything else in Argentina, if they can make money they will do it, but they got to be sure of it, and with the current economy very few clubs except two or three have funds and so every cent is counted.. so unless Foley pays for it, and say Boca keep match fees, it will be hard to get over the line.. The current football environment in Argentina is a mess, 30 clubs in yhe top league, which changed format, and the president of AFA, Claudio Tapia is the president of one of them, Barracas Central.. who got magically promoted from the 4th league to the top league… when they asked him how do you explain the format, he goes “Dont try to understand, just enjoy it”.. Que viva el futbol
I am sure if there is money in it then getting either Boca or River could happen. It would be fantastic for Auckland and I would expect you would get Sth Americans coming from both sides of the Tasman. Historically I think NZ has neglected South America. Both economically and in football terms. Hopefully this new flight route will increase tourism and economic activity. On the football side any exchanges can only benefit NZ. May was a good pickup from Argie Div 1. Gallegos from Chilean leagues. I personally think the Nix could do with a hard nosed south American box to box midfielder. Our midfield is way to soft IMO Personally this route is great for me. Im planning on a NZ visit next summer. So a train to Barcelona, direct flight to Buenos aires. A stop over there and then direct to Akld. BA....great city, great people
I struggle to see how this gets over the line.. to give you a perspective of how things in Argentina football work, all the clubs are owned by the fans “socios” and none are privately owned.. small clubs are funded by fans paying membership fees and all the big money that a club makes is through player sales, and some through continental qualification. For a club like River Plate or Boca to agree to this, there is a whole approval process for it to happen, the high paying socios who get voting rights have to vote on this (a personal example, is my fathers club is called Estudiantes de Plata, when they sold a player to Europe a few years ago, they decided to upgrade their floodlight in the stadium as it needed replacing) and if it is approved, the executive committee and president (Argentina football presidents can be very powerful people in Argentine society depending on the club, we are talking big union bosses, former presidents, big business people), have to agree to it. Like everything else in Argentina, if they can make money they will do it, but they got to be sure of it, and with the current economy very few clubs except two or three have funds and so every cent is counted.. so unless Foley pays for it, and say Boca keep match fees, it will be hard to get over the line.. The current football environment in Argentina is a mess, 30 clubs in yhe top league, which changed format, and the president of AFA, Claudio Tapia is the president of one of them, Barracas Central.. who got magically promoted from the 4th league to the top league… when they asked him how do you explain the format, he goes “Dont try to understand, just enjoy it”.. Que viva el futbol
I’ve actually been meaning to ask you about how the hell this new format works. Spotted it the other month and it seemed bonkers 😂
Looks like it’s more of a Wayne Brown thing in an attempt to get Eden Park used.
Wayne Brown is like Donald Trump in that he agrees with whoever talked to him last. Auckland's saving grace is that 50% of the people around Brownie tell him to do good things, as opposed to the 0% around Trump.
Ramming liberal dribble down your throat since 2009 This forum needs less angst and more Kate Bush threads
This year alone, 8 trophies will be awarded in a single calendar year in Argentina : Apertura winner Clausura winner Champions' Trophy (Apertura winner vs. Clausura winner) Triangular year champion (3-team tournament between the Apertura winner, the Clausura winner, and whichever team finishes 1st across the entire year) International Super Cup (Winner of the Champions' Trophy vs. Team that finishes 1st across the entire year) League champion (Team that finishes 1st across the entire year) Argentine Cup (The normal cup competition that every country has) Argentine Super Cup (Argentine Cup winner vs. Triangular year champion)WanderingSheep
Nixieboys222
I struggle to see how this gets over the line.. to give you a perspective of how things in Argentina football work, all the clubs are owned by the fans “socios” and none are privately owned.. small clubs are funded by fans paying membership fees and all the big money that a club makes is through player sales, and some through continental qualification. For a club like River Plate or Boca to agree to this, there is a whole approval process for it to happen, the high paying socios who get voting rights have to vote on this (a personal example, is my fathers club is called Estudiantes de Plata, when they sold a player to Europe a few years ago, they decided to upgrade their floodlight in the stadium as it needed replacing) and if it is approved, the executive committee and president (Argentina football presidents can be very powerful people in Argentine society depending on the club, we are talking big union bosses, former presidents, big business people), have to agree to it. Like everything else in Argentina, if they can make money they will do it, but they got to be sure of it, and with the current economy very few clubs except two or three have funds and so every cent is counted.. so unless Foley pays for it, and say Boca keep match fees, it will be hard to get over the line.. The current football environment in Argentina is a mess, 30 clubs in yhe top league, which changed format, and the president of AFA, Claudio Tapia is the president of one of them, Barracas Central.. who got magically promoted from the 4th league to the top league… when they asked him how do you explain the format, he goes “Dont try to understand, just enjoy it”.. Que viva el futbol
I’ve actually been meaning to ask you about how the hell this new format works. Spotted it the other month and it seemed bonkers 😂
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austin111
I am sure if there is money in it then getting either Boca or River could happen. It would be fantastic for Auckland and I would expect you would get Sth Americans coming from both sides of the Tasman. Historically I think NZ has neglected South America. Both economically and in football terms. Hopefully this new flight route will increase tourism and economic activity. On the football side any exchanges can only benefit NZ. May was a good pickup from Argie Div 1. Gallegos from Chilean leagues. I personally think the Nix could do with a hard nosed south American box to box midfielder. Our midfield is way to soft IMO Personally this route is great for me. Im planning on a NZ visit next summer. So a train to Barcelona, direct flight to Buenos aires. A stop over there and then direct to Akld. BA....great city, great people
Yeah BA is a great city to visit, one of my favs.
There was a regular Air NZ/Aerolinas Argentina co share flight Akld-BA pre covid. Shame it hasn't returned, as otherwise LATAM have had a complete monopoly flying NZ to Sth America (Santiago). So nice of the Chinese to provide some competition.
NZ is maybe the easiest 1st world country for an Argentinian to get a Working Holiday visa, so that means a bit of a Latino popn in NZ. Hang out on Waiheke or Papamoa beach and you see them in their River or Bocas tops sipping on their mate. My brother has a couple from Rosario living in his Little Oneroa bach, a Uruguayan family in his Papamoa home, whilst bro and family are living and working in Montevideo for a few years!
If Brown & AFC can bring some Argy clubs annually to Aotearoa, good stuff. Without the Australia Cup matches, Auckland and the Nix will need to get creative with something in preseason.
🔥 Tickets are selling fast for Chile vs New Zealand!
The Chile Fan Zone is almost SOLD OUT! Only a limited number of tickets remain. If you want to be part of the noise, now’s the time to act 🇨🇱
🇳🇿 Kiwis, lock in your seats and get behind the All Whites in their final home… pic.twitter.com/AF0jJtef93
I had totally forgotten about the car door incident. Was at the game but was following the ball and never saw it happen until it was removed.Absolute classic. Don't know how they got it into the game. The gorillas of Red Badge must have been distracted checking kids drink bottles
about 2 months ago· edited about 2 months ago· History
chubbs
I had totally forgotten about the car door incident. Was at the game but was following the ball and never saw it happen until it was removed.Absolute classic. Don't know how they got it into the game. The gorillas of Red Badge must have been distracted checking kids drink bottles
following that chile game I found a car door on the side of the road walking the dogs one evening. Carried it home (heavy bastard n all) and painted kingz on it. dragged it up the Mt Smart hill to next home game and got told by entry security I couldn't bring it into ground. bugger
I am sure if there is money in it then getting either Boca or River could happen. It would be fantastic for Auckland and I would expect you would get Sth Americans coming from both sides of the Tasman. Historically I think NZ has neglected South America. Both economically and in football terms. Hopefully this new flight route will increase tourism and economic activity. On the football side any exchanges can only benefit NZ. May was a good pickup from Argie Div 1. Gallegos from Chilean leagues. I personally think the Nix could do with a hard nosed south American box to box midfielder. Our midfield is way to soft IMO Personally this route is great for me. Im planning on a NZ visit next summer. So a train to Barcelona, direct flight to Buenos aires. A stop over there and then direct to Akld. BA....great city, great people
Yeah BA is a great city to visit, one of my favs.
There was a regular Air NZ/Aerolinas Argentina co share flight Akld-BA pre covid. Shame it hasn't returned, as otherwise LATAM have had a complete monopoly flying NZ to Sth America (Santiago). So nice of the Chinese to provide some competition.
NZ is maybe the easiest 1st world country for an Argentinian to get a Working Holiday visa, so that means a bit of a Latino popn in NZ. Hang out on Waiheke or Papamoa beach and you see them in their River or Bocas tops sipping on their mate. My brother has a couple from Rosario living in his Little Oneroa bach, a Uruguayan family in his Papamoa home, whilst bro and family are living and working in Montevideo for a few years!
If Brown & AFC can bring some Argy clubs annually to Aotearoa, good stuff. Without the Australia Cup matches, Auckland and the Nix will need to get creative with something in preseason.
🔥 Tickets are selling fast for Chile vs New Zealand!
The Chile Fan Zone is almost SOLD OUT! Only a limited number of tickets remain. If you want to be part of the noise, now’s the time to act 🇨🇱
🇳🇿 Kiwis, lock in your seats and get behind the All Whites in their final home… pic.twitter.com/AF0jJtef93
worth doing a tour of Estadio Monumental when in BA. My spanish was not superb so didn't understand a whole lot but certainly great history and being up high you get a feel for what that 78 world cup final would've been like. If visiting Montvideo get over to see Estadio Centenario, not as grand but another site of world cup history
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Chiefytheman
1 - 0 Sydney, less than 10 to play
VAR so annoying - needs to introduce a 'close enough is good enough' approach for ref's decision to stand for off-sides - similar to cricket's umpire's call. Edit: Qualifying this, offsides may be a matter of fact, but there are still elements of uncertainty around moment the ball is kicked and getting the angles right. It should be clear cut to overturn
Cosgrove was lucky not to get a card for leaving his studs on that guys thigh. How VAR missed that is beyond me. But at least justice was served second half. AFC really lucky to get a point from a jammy own goal in injury time. They are really struggling to close down matches this season. Bringing on a extra defender with 30 minutes to play and score 0-0 is really negative. They deserved to lose
AFC are not the most exciting team to watch. They are efficient but tend to choke the life out of games. Im sure Corica doesnt care but bringing an extra CB on at 0-0 with half an hour still to go ?????????
I am sure if there is money in it then getting either Boca or River could happen. It would be fantastic for Auckland and I would expect you would get Sth Americans coming from both sides of the Tasman. Historically I think NZ has neglected South America. Both economically and in football terms. Hopefully this new flight route will increase tourism and economic activity. On the football side any exchanges can only benefit NZ. May was a good pickup from Argie Div 1. Gallegos from Chilean leagues. I personally think the Nix could do with a hard nosed south American box to box midfielder. Our midfield is way to soft IMO Personally this route is great for me. Im planning on a NZ visit next summer. So a train to Barcelona, direct flight to Buenos aires. A stop over there and then direct to Akld. BA....great city, great people
Yeah BA is a great city to visit, one of my favs.
There was a regular Air NZ/Aerolinas Argentina co share flight Akld-BA pre covid. Shame it hasn't returned, as otherwise LATAM have had a complete monopoly flying NZ to Sth America (Santiago). So nice of the Chinese to provide some competition.
NZ is maybe the easiest 1st world country for an Argentinian to get a Working Holiday visa, so that means a bit of a Latino popn in NZ. Hang out on Waiheke or Papamoa beach and you see them in their River or Bocas tops sipping on their mate. My brother has a couple from Rosario living in his Little Oneroa bach, a Uruguayan family in his Papamoa home, whilst bro and family are living and working in Montevideo for a few years!
If Brown & AFC can bring some Argy clubs annually to Aotearoa, good stuff. Without the Australia Cup matches, Auckland and the Nix will need to get creative with something in preseason.
🔥 Tickets are selling fast for Chile vs New Zealand!
The Chile Fan Zone is almost SOLD OUT! Only a limited number of tickets remain. If you want to be part of the noise, now’s the time to act 🇨🇱
🇳🇿 Kiwis, lock in your seats and get behind the All Whites in their final home… pic.twitter.com/AF0jJtef93
"Yeah BA is a great city to visit, one of my favs. There was a regular Air NZ/Aerolinas Argentina co share flight Akld-BA pre covid. Shame it hasn't returned, as otherwise LATAM have had a complete monopoly flying NZ to Sth America (Santiago). So nice of the Chinese to provide some competition."
Yes the China Eastern has stepped in to fill that gap just a few months ago. https://flyaway.co.nz/shanghai-auckland-buenos-aires-flights-2025/
AFC attack looked the best for ages in the derby. I always thought that they would play better as a unit without Cosgrove. They have lots of excellent quick forwards who combined really well in the derby. There is a reason why most sides dont opt for a lumbering giant targetman up front. Sure they might bundle in a few headed goals but it has a negative impact on the overall attack IMO
I have to say it... given the heat Woud has taken from Nix fans in particular, there is definite irony in Oluwayemi having an absolute stinker.
I thought this would be Phoenix's day with Verstrate injured. But there's a mental/cultural frailty at the Nix right now. I hope it changes with a new manager but my gut tells me it won't change until the leadership does.
But there's a mental/cultural frailty at the Nix right now. I hope it changes with a new manager but my gut tells me it won't change until the leadership does.
Genuine question, if the men’s team is being undermined by club leadership then how do you explain the success of the women’s? If the answer is that Bev is just that good, then in theory couldn’t an equally good coach turn the men’s team around?
Getting back to the topic of this thread, I wonder if you’re right about mental fragility but it’s specifically triggered by the AFC rivalry (especially in the context of the wider Auckland/Wellington rivalry and the hammering Wellington as a city has taken these last few years). As much as I hate to admit it, I do think AFC fans have a point when they say they’re living rent-free in our heads.
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about 1 month ago
I blame Chief and Josh for that. We’d played a lot of good football in the last two months.
We didn’t need more tinkering. We were have a good bench, even a Ricki-esque bench. Mileusnic and LBS have won us points off the bench- of course we won’t see them. Najjarine has been involved in good moments, as has Sandar, but neither have really lifted the team the way the others have. Piper just needs to play.
I want to see Armiento high up smashing the ball into the net or finding someone at the back post. Getting shots on target.
Armiento and Eze are our attacking base. We need to get them both involved.
But there's a mental/cultural frailty at the Nix right now. I hope it changes with a new manager but my gut tells me it won't change until the leadership does.
Genuine question, if the men’s team is being undermined by club leadership then how do you explain the success of the women’s? If the answer is that Bev is just that good, then in theory couldn’t an equally good coach turn the men’s team around?
Getting back to the topic of this thread, I wonder if you’re right about mental fragility but it’s specifically triggered by the AFC rivalry (especially in the context of the wider Auckland/Wellington rivalry and the hammering Wellington as a city has taken these last few years). As much as I hate to admit it, I do think AFC fans have a point when they say they’re living rent-free in our heads.
Wait, they’re not Real Madrid? They play in a salary capped league? How do we explain CC going bottom to top to bottom? How do you explain Auckland not winning all of their games this season?
They’re a football team. Some games are tougher than others.
And also think that’s our first point in Victoria right? At the home of the Matildas.
It’s hardly what we saw with Chief and these derbies.
Mr Excuses at the ready. Dont point to the women as though their "success" means anything. Even if they do win something this season, they have the best coach and resources in the league, they probably should be winning something. But they havent won anything yet and I dont expect them to either.
But there's a mental/cultural frailty at the Nix right now. I hope it changes with a new manager but my gut tells me it won't change until the leadership does.
Genuine question, if the men’s team is being undermined by club leadership then how do you explain the success of the women’s? If the answer is that Bev is just that good, then in theory couldn’t an equally good coach turn the men’s team around?
Getting back to the topic of this thread, I wonder if you’re right about mental fragility but it’s specifically triggered by the AFC rivalry (especially in the context of the wider Auckland/Wellington rivalry and the hammering Wellington as a city has taken these last few years). As much as I hate to admit it, I do think AFC fans have a point when they say they’re living rent-free in our heads.
Disclaimer: I don't follow the women close enough to have any opinion on them as a team. That said, from what I can tell they're having a decent season, but points wise are still closer to 9th than they are 1st? I'm not sure why that's being held up as a beacon of success for leadership.
To your other point I think an arrogant fan base sometimes has a reenforcing effect. Those 800 port fans who went down had absolutely no doubt they were going to win. That rubs off on players. (both for good and for bad).
From day 1 Auckland were eyeing up a title, and the derbies were just a bump in the road. For the Phoenix it's been the biggest game of the year.
Mr Excuses at the ready. Dont point to the women as though their "success" means anything. Even if they do win something this season, they have the best coach and resources in the league, they probably should be winning something. But they havent won anything yet and I dont expect them to either.
The women's league this season is very competitive. Players from other teams have commented on the fact that with WU not in the league, many of their players have strengthened other teams.
Disclaimer: I don't follow the women close enough to have any opinion on them as a team. That said, from what I can tell they're having a decent season, but points wise are still closer to 9th than they are 1st? I'm not sure why that's being held up as a beacon of success for leadership.
Assuming Adelaide win tonight we’ll end the round in 4th place, 5 points off 1st and 3 off 8th with 15 points still to play for.
I’m not saying the Wāhinix are flawless, especially when it comes to dropping points away, but they’re strongly competitive and the table is tight enough that anything could happen. So my point is that if the club is fundamentally broken, this team doesn’t reflect that.
I absolutely agree with you about supporter mentality though. Maybe I’m hesitant to say Nix leadership is dysfunctional because I don’t see what goes on inside the club, but I do see the negativity across the fan base here and in the stands (at least for the men’s games - the atmosphere at Porirua Park is much better, but maybe that’s a self-selected sample of “happy clappers”).
For all it’s a toxic spiral, the way the men have been playing it’s hard to fault anyone for lacking the Port’s confidence - it’ll be interesting to see how resilient they are when (inevitably) they have poor seasons in the future. Who knows, maybe the stereotype is true and we Wellingtonians really are just a miserable bunch?
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