I blame YF. It has inspired all these people to run their own group but found too many want to run the show. Therefore they have started up their own little factions. Will be interesting to see how different their game atmosphere might be to ours.theprof
So many different supporter groups, their home games are either gonna be really noisy or very confused.
Even YF at it's best can be a little confused on game day, and we/they are organised as a single group.
I felt that was always good. No capos, which is a bit…WSW. If you wanna start a chant you can try. You just gotta get it going. Everyone’s there for the football. And drinking responsibly for Brockie.
I mean it’d been discussed. Durante put it directly to him. But first he’s getting his business established and then he’s suffered a drop in shares and playing off the back foot business wise.
On here I think we sort of said maybe he needs to get more settled before we approach him, as if we the fans had any say! But I think most of us hoped he’d come to our party down the line.
Browny has always talked a good game (in fact got a bit of a ticking off from Kim Hill for sticking to business jargon and not being more of himself or communicative!), but this doesn’t seem so much as paying anything back, but getting in on a good thing- associating his brand publicly with several other popular and successful brands at a minimum.
If it was more about repaying there is always a way in NZF. Reid had his Maori scholarship and tournament iirc.
well all birds is about to be delisted and is worth a fraction of what it was. Anyway Brown said that Rob wasnt looking for investors.
I mean it’d been discussed. Durante put it directly to him. But first he’s getting his business established and then he’s suffered a drop in shares and playing off the back foot business wise.
On here I think we sort of said maybe he needs to get more settled before we approach him, as if we the fans had any say! But I think most of us hoped he’d come to our party down the line.
Browny has always talked a good game (in fact got a bit of a ticking off from Kim Hill for sticking to business jargon and not being more of himself or communicative!), but this doesn’t seem so much as paying anything back, but getting in on a good thing- associating his brand publicly with several other popular and successful brands at a minimum.
If it was more about repaying there is always a way in NZF. Reid had his Maori scholarship and tournament iirc.
well all birds is about to be delisted and is worth a fraction of what it was. Anyway Brown said that Rob wasnt looking for investors.
All Birds has tanked in the UK. I imagine he's lost a fair bit of other peoples money in the process.
Maybe Welnix don't feel his business acumen is good enough for them. Welnix do seem VERY switched on.
When people throw lots of jargon around, it's often to hide their lack of ability within their industry, I see it all the time in aviation.
Supporter of the world's best football teams: Waikato..., Kingz FC, NZ Knights, The Nix, The Argyle & of course the All Whites
Anything in the fashion industry is notoriously fickle. They rode fashion for a while, but then also got smashed by a lot of sneakers that imitated the look, but didn’t have the research or sustainable materials.
Which is a mixture of shares owned directly by Rob and a few trusts that he's the trustee of.
Googled net worth. Maybe I misread the data, apologies. this article states it as $450 million, which is still 3.5x smaller than Bill. https://wellington.live/robert-morrison/
Dont think it matters Rob has stuck with us and done some amazing things. Maybe if Aucklands partnership of investors stick together for as long they may just survive if the fans continue to turn up.
Bit of a side note but am I the only one nervous about AFC starting an academy? Obviously, it'd be good for NZ as a whole but for the Nix it'll mean we'll stop getting the top NZ talent. If you're a young up-and-coming footballer who's academy would you rather go to; the one that's part of a multi-club ownership program with numerous pathways to Europe or the one that doesn't?
Bit of a side note but am I the only one nervous about AFC starting an academy? Obviously, it'd be good for NZ as a whole but for the Nix it'll mean we'll stop getting the top NZ talent. If you're a young up-and-coming footballer who's academy would you rather go to; the one that's part of a multi-club ownership program with numerous pathways to Europe or the one that doesn't?
I think that may be art of the consideration and sure we may see some of the players the nix are interesting in go to Auckland because of the perceived opportunities. But, that will not be the only consideration for a kid to choose on academy over another - assuming both are interested. I suspect each club's academy will be looking at the pool of players but wanting different things which will mean there will only be the occasionally choice needing to be made - at which time the players starting location, family situation and schooling will all come into the consideration.
Bit of a side note but am I the only one nervous about AFC starting an academy? Obviously, it'd be good for NZ as a whole but for the Nix it'll mean we'll stop getting the top NZ talent. If you're a young up-and-coming footballer who's academy would you rather go to; the one that's part of a multi-club ownership program with numerous pathways to Europe or the one that doesn't?
The other way to look at it is, or initially the one that has a record of getting young players into teams in Europe and America and representing NZ at various levels. Would also imagine the appeal of living in Auckland isnt for everyone. Then again that could also be said about Wellington i guess.
Bit of a side note but am I the only one nervous about AFC starting an academy? Obviously, it'd be good for NZ as a whole but for the Nix it'll mean we'll stop getting the top NZ talent. If you're a young up-and-coming footballer who's academy would you rather go to; the one that's part of a multi-club ownership program with numerous pathways to Europe or the one that doesn't?
I’d go the academy that has a proven track record of creating NZ’s best players and getting them moves overseas.
Bit of a side note but am I the only one nervous about AFC starting an academy? Obviously, it'd be good for NZ as a whole but for the Nix it'll mean we'll stop getting the top NZ talent. If you're a young up-and-coming footballer who's academy would you rather go to; the one that's part of a multi-club ownership program with numerous pathways to Europe or the one that doesn't?
They've got a while before their academy is fully operational to be honest - At least 1-2 years from now, hence filling out their Auckland II squad/scholarship players for NL next year, and then maybe 3-4 years total to be reaping the rewards of having an actual academy (much like the Nix setup when we started our academy). It's very much a long term game.
Not too worried about it to be honest though. Like someone has already said, players will go where they think they'll get the most opportunities and the chance to develop. It won't matter where you're from, as each player will have their own set of ambitions and targets they want to hit.
There is of course more choice now for the players which is a good thing for NZ in the medium to longer term with guys getting exposure and opportunity now that we've effectively doubled our pathway options. Choices will have to be made, but it won't be every player that both clubs are after, only the few, so it will make that process more straightforward.
More to that, Luke Brooke-Smith is the only one so far that has been lined up by both clubs as far as I'm aware, plus we've got a fantastic facility at NZCIS which will be a big draw-card too for aspirational, talented young footballers. Auckland will be a little way off with whatever they're doing in that space, but I have no doubt it will come eventually.
Bloody hell give me a break can just see Greenie or News coming up with that load of BS before our 1st game. NOT They should stop trying so hard and let things happen organically can see them having a big fall if results and things dont go their way. Despite all their denials there is a history of that happening. Maybe 3rd time lucky.
Remember Wellington has always been cooler than Auckland. The last time Auckland wasn’t a bunch of dorks was Carlos Spencer. And then Smoking Joe Stanley before that. Essentially don’t judge them too harshly. They can’t help being Aucks.
Bit of a side note but am I the only one nervous about AFC starting an academy? Obviously, it'd be good for NZ as a whole but for the Nix it'll mean we'll stop getting the top NZ talent. If you're a young up-and-coming footballer who's academy would you rather go to; the one that's part of a multi-club ownership program with numerous pathways to Europe or the one that doesn't?
They've got a while before their academy is fully operational to be honest - At least 1-2 years from now, hence filling out their Auckland II squad/scholarship players for NL next year, and then maybe 3-4 years total to be reaping the rewards of having an actual academy (much like the Nix setup when we started our academy). It's very much a long term game.
Not too worried about it to be honest though. Like someone has already said, players will go where they think they'll get the most opportunities and the chance to develop. It won't matter where you're from, as each player will have their own set of ambitions and targets they want to hit.
There is of course more choice now for the players which is a good thing for NZ in the medium to longer term with guys getting exposure and opportunity now that we've effectively doubled our pathway options. Choices will have to be made, but it won't be every player that both clubs are after, only the few, so it will make that process more straightforward.
More to that, Luke Brooke-Smith is the only one so far that has been lined up by both clubs as far as I'm aware, plus we've got a fantastic facility at NZCIS which will be a big draw-card too for aspirational, talented young footballers. Auckland will be a little way off with whatever they're doing in that space, but I have no doubt it will come eventually.
It won't be perfectly linear, but fairly quickly I can see a strong geographical split emerging. Youngsters north of Taupo mostly joining AFC's new Academy system, those south mostly gravitating towards the Weenix setup.
For many Mainlander parents, Auckland might as well be the moon, or at least Australia. Wellington less so. So the Nix should still get most of the Sth Island's best talent, plus the lower NI.
The Nix have a great setup at NZCIS, and recently expanded their boarding house facilities there from memory?? They have always seemed to have really good pastoral care for young out of town kids. But still leaving the home comforts at a young age, can be scary for some. Was it Max Mata who as a kid in Welly reportedly suffered really bad homesickness??
Naturally alot of Auckland parents will want their football talented offspring to stay close to home, if that's now an option. Yes it will take a few years for the Black Knights to have an Academy comparable to Weenix, but Foley won't be shy at throwing money at it. It will happen faster in the 09 than in the 04. Helped by the Nix creating the NZ template, that pathway to having a Reserve team in your local league etc etc.
Singh, Paulsen, Old & Sutton off the top of my head are some kids from the 09 who ventured south to the Nix Academy. So losing access to most of that northern talent pool, will yes affect the Phoenix in the future.
I can also see kids being recruited at a younger age like 13-14, rather than 15-17. With 2 clubs the landscape now just gets more competitive, and so the scouts will be looking ever younger. Which I think will mean that's it's even more likely that upper North Island kids mostly sign up with Auckland FC's Academy.
Also young Auckland urchins will now grow up supporting AFC. Like Ben Waine was a young Nix fan, before the dream of playing for them.
Having Ricki Herbert in the Waikato is likely a good thing for the Nix. Both Dylan Gardiner and Luke Brooke-Smith went through his RH3 Academy. He'll likely be talking to Weenix staff about any hot prospects in his patch.
And lastly what happens with national age group teams, and who the future coaching staff are etc will be very interesting. Obviously in recent times alot of Weenix kids have been in the U17s & U20s and you have had coaches from the Nix like Buckingham, Greenacre, and Temple involved with these national age group teams. What if Auckland FC now go and appoint U17s coach Martin Bullock to a role at their club? NZF will now have to be careful to be seen as neutral in the youth space, not benefiting one club over the other.
With U17 World Cups, and U16 OFC WC qualifying tourneys now becoming annual events, watch the busy activity every year around those events with staff from both NZ A League clubs attending, trying to sign up the promising talent not already in their Academies. The landscape is going to quickly change. I remember Talay joking, that he didn't want to see a 2nd NZ club, as he liked having all of NZ's best talent to himself to scout.
Bit of a side note but am I the only one nervous about AFC starting an academy? Obviously, it'd be good for NZ as a whole but for the Nix it'll mean we'll stop getting the top NZ talent. If you're a young up-and-coming footballer who's academy would you rather go to; the one that's part of a multi-club ownership program with numerous pathways to Europe or the one that doesn't?
They've got a while before their academy is fully operational to be honest - At least 1-2 years from now, hence filling out their Auckland II squad/scholarship players for NL next year, and then maybe 3-4 years total to be reaping the rewards of having an actual academy (much like the Nix setup when we started our academy). It's very much a long term game.
Not too worried about it to be honest though. Like someone has already said, players will go where they think they'll get the most opportunities and the chance to develop. It won't matter where you're from, as each player will have their own set of ambitions and targets they want to hit.
There is of course more choice now for the players which is a good thing for NZ in the medium to longer term with guys getting exposure and opportunity now that we've effectively doubled our pathway options. Choices will have to be made, but it won't be every player that both clubs are after, only the few, so it will make that process more straightforward.
More to that, Luke Brooke-Smith is the only one so far that has been lined up by both clubs as far as I'm aware, plus we've got a fantastic facility at NZCIS which will be a big draw-card too for aspirational, talented young footballers. Auckland will be a little way off with whatever they're doing in that space, but I have no doubt it will come eventually.
It won't be perfectly linear, but fairly quickly I can see a strong geographical split emerging. Youngsters north of Taupo mostly joining AFC's new Academy system, those south mostly gravitating towards the Weenix setup.
For many Mainlander parents, Auckland might as well be the moon, or at least Australia. Wellington less so. So the Nix should still get most of the Sth Island's best talent, plus the lower NI.
The Nix have a great setup at NZCIS, and recently expanded their boarding house facilities there from memory?? They have always seemed to have really good pastoral care for young out of town kids. But still leaving the home comforts at a young age, can be scary for some. Was it Max Mata who as a kid in Welly reportedly suffered really bad homesickness??
Naturally alot of Auckland parents will want their football talented offspring to stay close to home, if that's now an option. Yes it will take a few years for the Black Knights to have an Academy comparable to Weenix, but Foley won't be shy at throwing money at it. It will happen faster in the 09 than in the 04. Helped by the Nix creating the NZ template, that pathway to have a Reserve team in your local league etc etc.
Singh, Paulsen, Old & Sutton off the top of my head are some kids from the 09 who ventured south to the Nix Academy. So losing access to most of that northern talent pool, will yes affect the Phoenix in the future.
I can also see kids being recruited at a younger age like 13-14, rather than 15-17. With 2 clubs the landscape now just gets more competitive, and so the scouts will be looking ever younger. Which I think will mean that's it's even more likely that Auckland kids mostly sign up with Auckland FC's Academy.
Also young Auckland urchins will now grow up supporting AFC. Like Ben Waine was a young Nix fan, before the dream of playing for them.
Having Ricki Herbert in the Waikato is likely a good thing for the Nix. Both Dylan Gardiner and Luke Brooke-Smith went through his RH3 Academy. He'll likely be talking to Weenix staff about any hot prospects in his patch.
And lastly what happens with national age group teams, and who the future coaching staff are etc will be very interesting. Obviously in recent times alot of Weenix kids have been in the U17s & U20s and you have had coaches from the Nix like Buckingham, Greenacre, and Temple involved with these national age group teams. What if Auckland FC now go and appoint U17s coach Martin Bullock to a role at their club? NZF will now have to be careful to be seen as neutral in the youth spoace, not benefiting one club over the other.
With U17 World Cups, and U16 OFC WC qualifying tourneys now becoming annual events, watch the busy activity every year around those events with staff from both NZ A League clubs attending, trying to sign up the promising talent not already in their Academies. The landscape is going to quickly change. I remember Talay joking, that he didn't want to see a 2nd NZ club, as he liked having all of NZ's best talent to himself to scout.
Actually I think Auckland FC are going about this a very smart way - leaving the bulk of the development with the clubs and picking up the talent when it's ready to go into their smaller focused pathway.
Remember Wellington has always been cooler than Auckland. The last time Auckland wasn’t a bunch of dorks was Carlos Spencer. And then Smoking Joe Stanley before that. Essentially don’t judge them too harshly. They can’t help being Aucks.
Carlos Spencer was from the Kāpiti Coast
Ramming liberal dribble down your throat since 2009 This forum needs less angst and more Kate Bush threads
Yes for now that does seem a smart approach. Helps I imagine with NZF's minimum playing mins regulations for U-20 players in the domestic Leagues, AFC know the best youngsters get actual playing time to develop.
You forge a strong connection between local clubs, and the region's professional franchise. It's a clear pathway. Their Reserve team having an automatic spot in the Northern and National leagues will in itself upset some in the local football community.
But still in a few years it wouldn't surprise if they were tempted to have U13, U14, U15 teams etc in the Northern League pyramid aka the Nix with Capital Football. Otherwise they might find alot of the country's best U13-U15 talent has been sold the pro football dream young, and signedwith the Phoenix.
Remember Wellington has always been cooler than Auckland. The last time Auckland wasn’t a bunch of dorks was Carlos Spencer. And then Smoking Joe Stanley before that. Essentially don’t judge them too harshly. They can’t help being Aucks.
Carlos Spencer was from the Kāpiti Coast
Levin. And he was dropped when the All Blacks introduced a no i in team, 'no dickheads' policy in 2004.
Yes for now that does seem a smart approach. Helps I imagine with NZF's minimum playing mins regulations for U-20 players in the domestic Leagues, AFC know the best youngsters get actual playing time to develop.
You forge a strong connection between local clubs, and the region's professional franchise. It's a clear pathway. Their Reserve team having an automatic spot in the Northern and National leagues will in itself upset some in the local football community.
But still in a few years it wouldn't surprise if they were tempted to have U13, U14, U15 teams etc in the Northern League pyramid aka the Nix with Capital Football. Otherwise they might find alot of the country's best U13-U15 talent has been sold the pro football dream young, and signedwith the Phoenix.
Can see where your coming from but I guess if Auckland FC do the things in their plan (and more which they allude to) to support the TDP clubs in handling the first couple of stages of development they can effectively have a larger academy for little cost and with the ability to shift young players through Bill's multi club model you would imagine unless the nix have a really good offer that a player in the NRF/WaiBOP TDP system would probably not need or want to move.
That said if the quality of the talent coming through is not good enough then yes I can see them wanting to control the entire pipeline.
Remember Wellington has always been cooler than Auckland. The last time Auckland wasn’t a bunch of dorks was Carlos Spencer. And then Smoking Joe Stanley before that. Essentially don’t judge them too harshly. They can’t help being Aucks.
Carlos Spencer was from the Kāpiti Coast
Levin. And he was dropped when the All Blacks introduced a no i in team, 'no dickheads' policy in 2004.
Link to that? I though he was dropped for Dan Carter. Carter had been playing 12 till then but was obviously always destined to be a legendary 10.
Remember Wellington has always been cooler than Auckland. The last time Auckland wasn’t a bunch of dorks was Carlos Spencer. And then Smoking Joe Stanley before that. Essentially don’t judge them too harshly. They can’t help being Aucks.
Carlos Spencer was from the Kāpiti Coast
Levin. And he was dropped when the All Blacks introduced a no i in team, 'no dickheads' policy in 2004.
Link to that? I though he was dropped for Dan Carter. Carter had been playing 12 till then but was obviously always destined to be a legendary 10.
Have a mate who's been a rugby journo over 25 years. He confirms likes of Marshall and Spencer were dropped because they didn't fit the 'team first' ethos, Henry & Smith wanted to bring in.
The whole binge drinking & dickhead stuff had got out of control under John Mitchell. Young players weren't made welcome etc etc
Which is a mixture of shares owned directly by Rob and a few trusts that he's the trustee of.
Googled net worth. Maybe I misread the data, apologies. this article states it as $450 million, which is still 3.5x smaller than Bill. https://wellington.live/robert-morrison/
its not about who's got more money, it's just that WelNix aren't the paupers people think they are. There was an assumption that Brown could have invested in the nix if he wanted to as WelNix are so hard up, but Brown himself said that they weren't interested in new investment. It would be great to get some new capital in, but it seems like we have the luxury of owners who arent desperate for it.
Which is a mixture of shares owned directly by Rob and a few trusts that he's the trustee of.
Googled net worth. Maybe I misread the data, apologies. this article states it as $450 million, which is still 3.5x smaller than Bill. https://wellington.live/robert-morrison/
its not about who's got more money, it's just that WelNix aren't the paupers people think they are. There was an assumption that Brown could have invested in the nix if he wanted to as WelNix are so hard up, but Brown himself said that they weren't interested in new investment. It would be great to get some new capital in, but it seems like we have the luxury of owners who arent desperate for it.
Welnix did very much pre Covid, go looking for potential White Knight investment partners, to share the 'heavy lifting'. From memory that was part of their strategy to take games to Campbelltown, Canberra, talk to South Melbourne etc. Almost appeared like they were a bit desperate at times to find some new capital investment. Maybe in part that was to just save the Nix as a club. Ward off Gallop, and his nasty metrics.
But appears that's no longer the case?? Be good to get some clarity on that one day from Domey, or even Rob M himself.
I mean I guess it is Welnix's private business on how the Nix is owned, and what the future ownership model is likely to be. But certainly Auckland have been very open that Foley is the main man, with Williams/Mowbray 15%, Brown 1.65%, Noah Hickey 0.2%, and Steve Adams yet to be decided.
