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2016/17 Transfer Speculation

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almost 10 years ago · edited almost 10 years ago · History

Surge wrote:

Ryan wrote:

there is no reason why we should only have one.

And your reason we should have more than one is because other teams do? 

A better reason would indicate how it/he would improve the Phoenix (I'm not saying he wouldn't just saying that because other teams do, isn't a strong enough reason to dictate that we should).

I would not dismiss that reasoning sentiment. It works at least in some cases.

Like, an argument for an automatic 20-year license.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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almost 10 years ago

Mainland FC wrote:

not dismiss that reasoning. It works at least sometimes.

Like, an argument for an automatic 20-year license.

You're dead right, it's almost EXACTLY the same thing.
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almost 10 years ago

Ryan wrote:

It's clear that the team requires a shakeup and there is no reason why it should only happen with the playing squad and not the technical managers. This also doesn't mean sacking Greenacre, other A-League sides have multiple assistant coaches so there is no reason why we should only have one.

We now  have more than one. The GK coach has also assumed other coaching duties
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Okay, well tactically we have been found out every season and have been unable to adapt. Tranni has been very successful wherever he's gone and his last two teams have been very attack orientated.

Even last year when we were leading the league teams figured out how to beat us, it was even worse this year. When we deviated from the game plan and tried something different (like the game against WSW) then things looked more interesting.

I think about people who make things work with what they've got. Even someone like Gombau who was married to a system would shake things up like replacing a striker with a CB in order to try and win a game with a last gasp set piece.

The reason I said getting a second assistant rather than replacing Greenacre is I don't want to see a club legend leave. But if the fact that other teams (who are more succesful than us) have two assistant coaches and a goal keeping coach isn't reason enough to go with two assistants then if succesful and able assistants are on the market we should be seriously looking at replacing Greenacre, I'd just personally rather we didn't. 

But I would take a Rado or a Tranni over Greeny right now based on form.

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almost 10 years ago

Ryan wrote:

But I would take a Rado or a Tranni over Greeny right now based on form.

How can you judge the performances of any of these three?

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almost 10 years ago

Ryan wrote:

based on form.

Something needs to improve. We're giving Merrick and Greenacre the benefit of the doubt because of mitigating circumstances, but something isn't working 100% and we should have finished higher. If talent is available why not look at hiring?

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almost 10 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

Ryan wrote:

But I would take a Rado or a Tranni over Greeny right now based on form.

How can you judge the performances of any of these three?

 Goals from corners? 


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almost 10 years ago

I think that our form has been so awful that we should seriously look at officially hiring a Team Juggler, if there's money in the budget for it. Something desperately needs shaking up so why not give it a go?


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almost 10 years ago

Doloras wrote:

I think that our form has been so awful that we should seriously look at officially hiring a Team Juggler, if there's money in the budget for it. Something desperately needs shaking up so why not give it a go?

The Wizard of Christchurch? May have more of a lasting effect.

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almost 10 years ago

I can juggle 3 balls.

I LOVE LAMP

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almost 10 years ago

chefmivec wrote:

I can juggle 3 balls.

... when you go with nufc_nz to Mermaids?


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almost 10 years ago

Doloras wrote:

chefmivec wrote:

I can juggle 3 balls.

... when you go with nufc_nz to Mermaids?

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almost 10 years ago · edited almost 10 years ago · History

2ndBest wrote:

valeo wrote:

Bevan wrote:

Luciano Trani is available now his contract at Melbourne City has expired.

I'd be glad to have him back as Assistant Manager.

Agreed. I like Greenie but unsure how much he actually brings to the table. I think having an opinion that may deviate from Ernie's strict gameplan might be helpful to create a bit of discussion amongst the coaching staff.

how do you know that doesn't happen now?

I don't, but I think it's a fair assumption that a former player with no other managerial experience would not speak up as much as a guy like Trani when things are going wrong.

a.haak

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almost 10 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

Ryan wrote:

But I would take a Rado or a Tranni over Greeny right now based on form.

How can you judge the performances of any of these three?

I can't. But if Greenacre is really in charge of corners and free kicks I must say I'll find his work pretty unimaginative.

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Luci back would be great. He was the brains behind the few seasons we did really well. One only had to show up at training to see who was the the organiser and motivator. Sure Ricki did the odd thing here and there but he spent a lot of the practice sessions standing around watching Luci running the show.

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number8 wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

Ryan wrote:

But I would take a Rado or a Tranni over Greeny right now based on form.

How can you judge the performances of any of these three?

I can't. But if Greenacre is really in charge of corners and free kicks I must say I'll find his work pretty unimaginative.

It is hard to judge assistant managers - as fans we can't see their work directly.

We do know that Trani is a better scout with better knowledge of the Aussie leagues than Greenacre, which will help us bring in extra players.

We know the Phoenix improved once they had Trani compared to the assistant they had before that (Wayne someone ex-Central Coast?)

We also know that Melbourne City improved once they had Trani; and Adelaide also improved once they had Trani.

Obviously there are a lot of other factors that affect a team's performance besides their assistant manager.

When he speaks in the media, Greenacre doesn't sound particularly tactically astute, authoritative or credible. There are no visible signs of him improving his ability in the last three years.

Just because a player finishes their career with the club does not make them a 'legend'. The club's ambition should be to win the league, not be a "jobs for the boys" situation for retiring players. I'm not saying Greenacre should be out of a job.

But signing Trani would definitely improve the management. (although he did move back to Melbourne for family reasons, so he may not want to return to Wellington)

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almost 10 years ago

Bevan wrote:

number8 wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

Ryan wrote:

But I would take a Rado or a Tranni over Greeny right now based on form.

How can you judge the performances of any of these three?

I can't. But if Greenacre is really in charge of corners and free kicks I must say I'll find his work pretty unimaginative.

It is hard to judge assistant managers - as fans we can't see their work directly.

We do know that Trani is a better scout with better knowledge of the Aussie leagues than Greenacre, which will help us bring in extra players.

We know the Phoenix improved once they had Trani compared to the assistant they had before that (Wayne someone ex-Central Coast?)

We also know that Melbourne City improved once they had Trani; and Adelaide also improved once they had Trani.

Obviously there are a lot of other factors that affect a team's performance besides their assistant manager.

When he speaks in the media, Greenacre doesn't sound particularly tactically astute, authoritative or credible. There are no visible signs of him improving his ability in the last three years.

Just because a player finishes their career with the club does not make them a 'legend'. The club's ambition should be to win the league, not be a "jobs for the boys" situation for retiring players. I'm not saying Greenacre should be out of a job.

But signing Trani would definitely improve the management. (although he did move back to Melbourne for family reasons, so he may not want to return to Wellington)

That said IMO Greenie is a legend. Really good club player- the kind we are losing in Sigmund and Manny.

and part of one of the top 10 Phoenix goals of all time (thread needed)  But performance wise the club did well with Turner and Trani as assistants. 

As in Aussie Rado and Trani are key components at their clubs.



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almost 10 years ago

Would've signed him this season, but not anymore

a.haak

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almost 10 years ago

valeo wrote:

Would've signed him this season, but not anymore

Would still have him off the bench ahead of Powell tbh. Although not used a lot this year end is still an x factor player who looks dangerous and makes things happen
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almost 10 years ago

If Trani is so good, why so many clubs?

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almost 10 years ago

sthn.jeff wrote:

valeo wrote:

Would've signed him this season, but not anymore

Would still have him off the bench ahead of Powell tbh. Although not used a lot this year end is still an x factor player who looks dangerous and makes things happen

Archie has proven quality, but arguably Powell is still developing as a player. We picked him up at, what, 24 years of age? He did not exactly have excellent role models to play next to in order to reach his full potential over the last season. I would give Powell another year for sure and you may find that with better supply he could become a reliable squad striker, despite not (normally) being a game winner (WSW game excepted).

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almost 10 years ago

thompson would be a very backwards move

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almost 10 years ago

if you can pick up the leagues all time leading scorer to sit on your bench for cheap then go for it. Don't see how that would be a massive step backward. 


Allegedly

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almost 10 years ago

Tegal wrote:

if you can pick up the leagues all time leading scorer to sit on your bench for cheap then go for it. Don't see how that would be a massive step backward. 

It is when he is 37 years old.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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almost 10 years ago

Tegal wrote:

if you can pick up the leagues all time leading scorer to sit on your bench for cheap then go for it. Don't see how that would be a massive step backward. 

Only played in 14 games this season, for 345 minutes. Best case would be a bench role, trying to provide some impact but he hasn't achieved that at all this season.
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depends what wage he is demanding for mine. If he is cheap, I'd pick him up. 

You'd usually think he'd be able to get a better wage elsewhere though. But maybe not at 37. 


Allegedly

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almost 10 years ago

Central Coast will offer him a marquee deal no doubt

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almost 10 years ago

Tegal wrote:

depends what wage he is demanding for mine. If he is cheap, I'd pick him up. 

You'd usually think he'd be able to get a better wage elsewhere though. But maybe not at 37. 

He would get a loyalty concession with the Victory but they decided he wasn't worth it, so as I said previously that I don't see why people would use actual cap on him.
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almost 10 years ago

if your life depended upon a striker taking a chance would you however pick any of our current strikers over him?


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almost 10 years ago

Yep

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almost 10 years ago

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almost 10 years ago

if your life depended upon a striker taking a chance would you however pick any of our current strikers over him?

Except that Powell, Krishna and Watson all had much better goals-to-minutes ratios than him this season

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almost 10 years ago

Joey Johns wrote:

thompson would be a very backwards move

Also a very Ernie move.

a.haak

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almost 10 years ago
He shouldve just retired.


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Reckon Ernie would've signed him immediately if Watson and Powell aren't already going to be sitting on the bench

He was very good playing the full game against Gamba last night. Links up with Kosta well, too.

a.haak

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almost 10 years ago

WELLINGTON

Needs: Defensive reinforcements and an attacker to step up.

Ideal player: James Donachie

Gettable: Curtis Good

Already signed: Kosta Barbarouses, Gui Finkler (Victory)

Cover after Ben Sigmund’s retirement and Manny Muscat’s exit, while a fit Roy Krishna should benefit from the service of the arrivals from Victory.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/football/studs-up-david-davutovic-analyses-what-and-who-your-aleague-club-needs/news-story/f867cafb998f44af45cb0fc946cc8e14

Good is a decent shout but always seems to be injured over in the UK. He is a Melbourne boy from when Ernie was over there, so maybe on speaking terms?

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almost 10 years ago

In their season wrap for us, the A-League website has said that as well as losing Siggie and Manny, we're also cutting Danaskos and Appiah. Nothing about Lia, Rufer, Gulley etc.

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