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Alex Jones

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about 10 years ago

What an absolute joke.

If we had a sports minister with a clue, they should be asking questions too... we're at the point where we need a Crawford style report - and get a couple of people in to sort the joint out. It's beyond pathetic.

Talk is cheap, but we have a CEO who'll barely even do that unless under duress or backed into the most cornerest of corners, which surely he is now?

Football may be the biggest sport in the world but unless MAJOR changes are made, it's got no future in New Zealand - it'll continue to tread water in a pool of it's own piss.

E + R + O

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about 10 years ago

I've said it before and I'll repeat it - the only reason why some are trying to shift blame to the Nix is because they're angry at the Nix for not getting a licence renewal / generally sucking this year and they want to grab yet another shark-covered stick to bash the Nix management with.

If we were top of the league with a 10 year licence no-one but no-one would be blaming the Nix for NZF's rank incompetence.


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about 10 years ago

Doloras wrote:

I've said it before and I'll repeat it - the only reason why some are trying to shift blame to the Nix is because they're angry at the Nix for not getting a licence renewal / generally sucking this year and they want to grab yet another shark-covered stick to bash the Nix management with.

If we were top of the league with a 10 year licence no-one but no-one would be blaming the Nix for NZF's rank incompetence.

pretty sure for the people saying the Nix could have done better - it has nothing to do with those other factors (so don't say it a third time)

Founder

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about 10 years ago

It's the Jones boy I feel sorry for- a week or so of summer and then has to duck back to winter



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about 10 years ago

Feverish wrote:

especially when they throw up someone who isn't the CEO to spew out a few choreographed lines to Radio Sport

So weak of Martin not to front that.  Clearly sees the knives coming out

Normo's coming home

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about 10 years ago
So why do FIFA say no to Jones but can let Jelavic move from West Ham to China today?
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about 10 years ago

because the Chinese transfer window is open.

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about 10 years ago

Doloras wrote:

I've said it before and I'll repeat it - the only reason why some are trying to shift blame to the Nix is because they're angry at the Nix for not getting a licence renewal / generally sucking this year and they want to grab yet another shark-covered stick to bash the Nix management with.

If we were top of the league with a 10 year licence no-one but no-one would be blaming the Nix for NZF's rank incompetence.

OK I don't come on here as often as I used to but I've not met anyone that feels the Nix management is to blame for the FFA and the license business. Yes I think the coaching staff have been a bit passive regarding recruitment, particularly in replacing players that left, but I put that down to the clubs uncertain future.

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about 10 years ago

Feverish wrote:

Doloras wrote:

I've said it before and I'll repeat it - the only reason why some are trying to shift blame to the Nix is because they're angry at the Nix for not getting a licence renewal / generally sucking this year and they want to grab yet another shark-covered stick to bash the Nix management with.

If we were top of the league with a 10 year licence no-one but no-one would be blaming the Nix for NZF's rank incompetence.

pretty sure for the people saying the Nix could have done better - it has nothing to do with those other factors (so don't say it a third time)

Yep how dare some of us ask if the Phoenix did all they could to ensure this went through.  Given the Phoenix have made little comment of course there will be questions and speculation. Yes I would still be asking those questions if we were top with a 10 year licence. Like those who have the opinion it's NZF and only them we are allowed to not just tow that line.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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about 10 years ago
There are people out there that think that the blame lies 100% with the Phoenix, just look at the stuff comments. The argument that any blame lies with the nix is moot because nothing that the nix could do would be able to educate NZF staff.
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Ryan wrote:
There are people out there that think that the blame lies 100% with the Phoenix, just look at the stuff comments. The argument that any blame lies with the nix is moot because nothing that the nix could do would be able to educate NZF staff.

do you work for the Phoenix?

you sounds like one of those football mums who comes on here and promotes her son

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about 10 years ago

Well, there you go. The responses from ballane and Feverish don't argue the case that the Nix are at fault. They're "oh boo hoo I'm not allowed to disagree/ask questions " plus insults to those who disagree with them or ask them questions.

I repeat: some people just want to bash Nix management. They don't ask whether this is fair, but instead demand evidence that it's NOT fair. This is called prejudice or an ax to grind.


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about 10 years ago

or maybe they know more than you

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and the last thing I want to do I bash Nix mgmt they do a bloody good job and have a sharkload to do

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about 10 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

because the Chinese transfer window is open.

Who sets the rules for the various association deadlines (and different rules re: transfers, loans and free transfers)? The FFA must have set the deadline for both windows in the HAL (and did it change when the start of the season changed?).

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about 10 years ago

Doloras wrote:

Well, there you go. The responses from ballane and Feverish don't argue the case that the Nix are at fault. They're "oh boo hoo I'm not allowed to disagree/ask questions " plus insults to those who disagree with them or ask them questions.

I repeat: some people just want to bash Nix management. They don't ask whether this is fair, but instead demand evidence that it's NOT fair. This is called prejudice or an ax to grind.

Care to quote those posts where i have insulted anyone in relation to this matter. Not sure what case I am meant to argue all I have said all along is given the record of NZF I hope the Phoenix were all over them. Sorry but if you are getting someone to do something for you and you are fully aware they don't have a good record if you or your staff arnt all over them and it fails. I would Certainly expect questions to be asked. Don't understand how that is in any way unreasonable. Really until the Phoenix make a comment about the matter it's all just speculation from both sides of the issue.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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about 10 years ago

Bullion wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

because the Chinese transfer window is open.

Who sets the rules for the various association deadlines (and different rules re: transfers, loans and free transfers)? The FFA must have set the deadline for both windows in the HAL (and did it change when the start of the season changed?).

http://resources.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation...

mandatory to have 2 windows - first has to be between seasons and no longer than 12 weeks and the 2nd is usually middle of the season up to 4 weeks. associations have to notify fifa 12 months regarding any changes so they can police it.

I was trying to see, as FFA set the registration period, if there would be any scope for the FFA to be flexible on the registration of players for comps they administer.

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about 10 years ago

Doloras wrote:

Well, there you go. The responses from ballane and Feverish don't argue the case that the Nix are at fault. They're "oh boo hoo I'm not allowed to disagree/ask questions " plus insults to those who disagree with them or ask them questions.

I repeat: some people just want to bash Nix management. They don't ask whether this is fair, but instead demand evidence that it's NOT fair. This is called prejudice or an ax to grind.

Francis why are you always so intense ?

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about 10 years ago

james dean wrote:

Feverish wrote:

especially when they throw up someone who isn't the CEO to spew out a few choreographed lines to Radio Sport

So weak of Martin not to front that.  Clearly sees the knives coming out

Really? I heard he was going to speak to Martin Devlon but he chickened out. What's that say about the organisation - NZF what a useless bunch. there running football in this country.

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about 10 years ago

ballane wrote:

Doloras wrote:

Well, there you go. The responses from ballane and Feverish don't argue the case that the Nix are at fault. They're "oh boo hoo I'm not allowed to disagree/ask questions " plus insults to those who disagree with them or ask them questions.

I repeat: some people just want to bash Nix management. They don't ask whether this is fair, but instead demand evidence that it's NOT fair. This is called prejudice or an ax to grind.

Care to quote those posts where i have insulted anyone in relation to this matter. Not sure what case I am meant to argue all I have said all along is given the record of NZF I hope the Phoenix were all over them. Sorry but if you are getting someone to do something for you and you are fully aware they don't have a good record if you or your staff arnt all over them and it fails. I would Certainly expect questions to be asked. Don't understand how that is in any way unreasonable. Really until the Phoenix make a comment about the matter it's all just speculation from both sides of the issue.

This. Nobody has said it is all the Nix fault. All that has been asked is could they have done more? We will probably never know. But one thing my 20+ years in various project management roles is that you deal with some contractors who you ask them to be on the job on a certain day and you know they will be there. Others you need to constantly poke them with a big stick to ensure they are there on time.  I think it is or at least should be pretty clear to anyone in the NZ Football community that NZF fall fairly and squarely in the latter. 

It is telling that apparently the wombles at NZF did not even know this transfer was coming.  For me the Nix conversation should have been along the Lines of:

Thursday before deadline day: Dome to Martin . "Hey Andy, Domey here, not sure who handles this at your end but we have an international Transfer coming through in the next couple of days and the Window closes on Tuesday at Midnight" Martin to Dome " Yeah no problems, thanks for the Heads up, I will ensure someone is teed up ready to go. Dome to Martin " Cheers Andy, I will give you a call as soon as the button is pushed ready for you to approve. It is likely to be over the weekend is that ok? " Martin to Dome "yeah no worries Domey, if you can't get me call Great Uncle Bulgaria, one of us will be around"

Saturday" Dome to Martin "Hey Andy the Transfer is all loaded and in your system now. Would really appreciate it being done ASAP for peace of mind. Can we expect it to be done by say Mid day on Sunday. Martin to Dome " Yup no problems Dave I will get Tobermorie onto it today"

Sunday Lunchtime Dome to Martin " Hi Andy the transfer has not yet shown as approved. Don't want to tell you guys how to suck eggs but we get no second chance with this" Martin to Dome " Sorry mate not sure what the story is but I will get back to you in 30 mins" 

30 Mins Later Martin to Dome " Hi Domey, sorry looks like Madam Charlotte left on Friday and Tobermorie has gone bush until Tuesday. Dome to Martin You are kidding me? well guess you need to get onto one of your Pals at Fifa to sort this out asap, we can not miss this deadline Andy,  etc etc etc

Is this trying to micro manage NZF? yes of course it is  but given their recent History they need to be wherever possible. 

Clearly this is primarily NZF's balls up, no one is saying otherwise, but do you not think that a different result might have been forthcoming if steps like above (project Management 101) were taken? 

We will probably never know as the Nix won't spill the beans publically as they have to try and maintain some sort of working relationship with NZF

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about 10 years ago

Bullion wrote:

Bullion wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

because the Chinese transfer window is open.

Who sets the rules for the various association deadlines (and different rules re: transfers, loans and free transfers)? The FFA must have set the deadline for both windows in the HAL (and did it change when the start of the season changed?).

http://resources.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation...

mandatory to have 2 windows - first has to be between seasons and no longer than 12 weeks and the 2nd is usually middle of the season up to 4 weeks. associations have to notify fifa 12 months regarding any changes so they can police it.

I was trying to see, as FFA set the registration period, if there would be any scope for the FFA to be flexible on the registration of players for comps they administer.

FFA picks the windows and IIRC must submit these 12 months before the season. FIFA sets the regs which apply to all countries. No leeway at all.

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about 10 years ago

Stop fighting chaps, we are all pissed off.

But seriously the argument that the Nix might have been able to do more is an average argument at best.  We don't know if the nix management was ringing them every hour on those days, or if after they completed their portion they sat back.

what we do know is they did their portion, and NZF didn't submit their paperwork as they had no staff that were trained in the transfer software during the transfer window.  A.K.A they have a period of time they need to be able to do something, they didn't make sure someone was available to do it during that time, not even on f**king call.

The Nix shouldn't have to harass our governing body to do their job during the period of time that they need to be able to do a task.  Organised for the guy to not take leave during that time, delay it by a bloody week.  This is basic management stuff.

Hell we could have all called NZF on Tuesday to ensure they did their job, but we didn't, and we aren't to blame because ti was NZF's job and they stuffed up.

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Drunk_Monk wrote:

Stop fighting chaps, we are all pissed off.

But seriously...

\RANT

lol

E + R + O

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about 10 years ago

Yea that post got out of hand quickly.

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about 10 years ago

Doloras wrote:

I've said it before and I'll repeat it - the only reason why some are trying to shift blame to the Nix is because they're angry at the Nix for not getting a licence renewal / generally sucking this year and they want to grab yet another shark-covered stick to bash the Nix management with.

If we were top of the league with a 10 year licence no-one but no-one would be blaming the Nix for NZF's rank incompetence.

I think this could be accurate for a lot of people. If we were top of the league, Alex Jones wouldn't seem so important. People would be more willing to give the Nix the benefit of the doubt.

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about 10 years ago

Doloras wrote:

Well, there you go. The responses from ballane and Feverish don't argue the case that the Nix are at fault. They're "oh boo hoo I'm not allowed to disagree/ask questions " plus insults to those who disagree with them or ask them questions.

I repeat: some people just want to bash Nix management. They don't ask whether this is fair, but instead demand evidence that it's NOT fair. This is called prejudice or an ax to grind.

you are entitled to your opinion, but you are both wrong and presumptuously insulting

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2ndBest wrote:

Bullion wrote:

Bullion wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

because the Chinese transfer window is open.

Who sets the rules for the various association deadlines (and different rules re: transfers, loans and free transfers)? The FFA must have set the deadline for both windows in the HAL (and did it change when the start of the season changed?).

http://resources.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation...

mandatory to have 2 windows - first has to be between seasons and no longer than 12 weeks and the 2nd is usually middle of the season up to 4 weeks. associations have to notify fifa 12 months regarding any changes so they can police it.

I was trying to see, as FFA set the registration period, if there would be any scope for the FFA to be flexible on the registration of players for comps they administer.

FFA picks the windows and IIRC must submit these 12 months before the season. FIFA sets the regs which apply to all countries. No leeway at all.

Wonder if the likes of Cahill, who just got terminated, would be allowed to sign in the A-League?

Edit: 2B - resizing image

a.haak

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about 10 years ago

2ndBest wrote:

Ive been watching that for 20 mins and the corgi still hasnt jumped off

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about 10 years ago

FFA can write any rules they want. But FIFA's rules trump them. Cahill cannot come to the HAL this season.

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about 10 years ago

hepatitis wrote:

2ndBest wrote:

Ive been watching that for 20 mins and the corgi still hasnt jumped off

I do not think Martin's position at NZF has been advertised yet, but you'll get my vote

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 10 years ago

Yeah I think that any person with half a clue on football in this country would be sitting there going 'leadership needs to go'

If Martin is a smart leader (and the evidence is there to say he is not) then he would get out before he is pushed. Perhaps thats why he has not walked yet - because he is not smart enough to see he is the issue.

Bring back Michael Glading.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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about 10 years ago

I don't think he is the necessarily the issue. If he goes, do you think NZF will get better? I don't. He certainly isn't helping, however.

a.haak

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about 10 years ago

These muppets make me wanna like Thugby.  And I FUCKING HATE THUGBY

Angrier but more cuddly than a Honey Badger

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about 10 years ago

Feverish wrote:

Ryan wrote:
There are people out there that think that the blame lies 100% with the Phoenix, just look at the stuff comments. The argument that any blame lies with the nix is moot because nothing that the nix could do would be able to educate NZF staff.

do you work for the Phoenix?

you sounds like one of those football mums who comes on here and promotes her son

What are you on about? I just want to make a judgement based on what I see, if there is no evidence to the contrary then you're judgement is just made on your bias. If there is evidence that we humble fans don't know then please share, and please stop with the petty condescension.

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about 10 years ago

Ryan wrote:

Feverish wrote:

Ryan wrote:
There are people out there that think that the blame lies 100% with the Phoenix, just look at the stuff comments. The argument that any blame lies with the nix is moot because nothing that the nix could do would be able to educate NZF staff.

do you work for the Phoenix?

you sounds like one of those football mums who comes on here and promotes her son

What are you on about? I just want to make a judgement based on what I see, if there is no evidence to the contrary then you're judgement is just made on your bias. If there is evidence that we humble fans don't know then please share, and please stop with the petty condescension.

We get soccer mums here?

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 10 years ago

Time for my big reveal:

I'm actually Sery De Campos's mum

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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about 10 years ago

Does anyone know how many people work at NZ football? 

Would love to see an organisational chart for this motley lot to see what muppet is meant to do what


Auckland will rise once more

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about 10 years ago

Does anyone know how many people work at NZ football? 

Would love to see an organisational chart for this motley lot to see what muppet is meant to do what

I don't know how many people are employed by NZF, but I can confirm that no one works there

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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