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Coaching Angst - Ernie's three anti-blips

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about 12 years ago
number8 wrote:

After 2 down I was waiting desperately for the half time so Ernie could get the team back on track, but back on the field, same crap ball. So that's his fault, kinda blackout, he should have a plan B.



The way our blokes were playing there was no plan that was going to save us. As he said, it was a one off nightmare.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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about 12 years ago

Well done Ernie, you even got the game plan exactly right for Brockie to score a nice goal.

Best coach in the league.

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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about 12 years ago
terminator_x wrote:
Doloras wrote:

Gotta say, Ernie's gotten even more cred in my book by admitting that part of the fault on Sunday was his for playing the same tactics as against Newcastle and hoping the Heart wouldn't notice. Does anyone remember Ricki ever saying "I ballsed it up, I played the wrong tactics"?


Even if Ricki ever attempted to say something like that it never would have come out of his mouth like that. It would have been something more like:

"I think that, really, if you look at this group, and the experience both within and outside of, but also looking inwards towards the group, then probably the accountability that the individuals within the group have, really, collectively as a group, but also individually as individual members of a group, then I think that, to be honest, probably this group's responsibility/accountability matrix was out of alignment with the mission that this group had a collective responsibility to execute today. If I'm honest, without sugar-coating it, you choose what you choose and people can escalate that if they like, but ultimately, probably, we've all taken it incredibly deeply, and will learn to rectify it, really, although probably it's a blessing in disguise".


Man, I am so glad someone else noticed this - utter gibberish!  You also need to add 3 or 4 rhetorical questions in there

Did we execute as a group?  There's some things around that we'll be looking at for next week and some of the skill sets will be reviewed, and the execution, but it's an exciting opportunity really, to look at some of the processes we have in place, and um, take a look at those.  That's a conversation we'll be having, and um, you have to ask did it affect us?  I'm not so sure.  Were we too defensive?  We'll be having some conversations around that.  If you look back at the finals game in 2010 we filled the stadium there, and we had an exciting brand of football so I think we play some pretty exciting stuff.

Normo's coming home

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about 12 years ago

Angst

Random rude words for emphasis!


"Phoenix till they lose"

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almost 12 years ago

I would say "not Ernie's fault if the players CBF", but of course Ernie has a hand in choosing those players.


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almost 12 years ago

this excuse never worked for during the sack ricki phase of our existance why would it be available to Ernie?

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almost 12 years ago
theprof wrote:

this excuse never worked for during the sack ricki phase of our existance why would it be available to Ernie?



First season blues? I'm going to give him one more year before I feel confident enough to get back on the DISMISS BERT'S FLATMATE bandwagon.

Seriously, are there people out there who do think Ernie's stuffed it up, rather than the players being scatterbrained?

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almost 12 years ago · edited almost 12 years ago · History
Doloras wrote:
theprof wrote:

this excuse never worked for during the sack ricki phase of our existance why would it be available to Ernie?



First season blues? I'm going to give him one more year before I feel confident enough to get back on the DISMISS BERT'S FLATMATE bandwagon.

Seriously, are there people out there who do think Ernie's stuffed it up, rather than the players being scatterbrained?


My take is that there are several senior players that need to be got rid of. Some of the youngsters should be given another season to step up and if not should be moved on.

I don't blame Ernie at all. I wouldn't blame him for looking elsewhere if the chance came up. The whole team just feels like it's being rundown and the new stadium is a smokescreen so Welnix can withdraw without too much grief when the club finally carks it. They've not invested enough by a long way and they don't seem to see that investing in the club is the only way to save it.

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almost 12 years ago
ForteanTimes wrote:
Doloras wrote:
theprof wrote:

this excuse never worked for during the sack ricki phase of our existance why would it be available to Ernie?



First season blues? I'm going to give him one more year before I feel confident enough to get back on the DISMISS BERT'S FLATMATE bandwagon.

Seriously, are there people out there who do think Ernie's stuffed it up, rather than the players being scatterbrained?


My take is that there are several senior players that need to be got rid of. Some of the youngsters should be given another season to step up and if not should be moved on.

I don't blame Ernie at all. I wouldn't blame him for looking elsewhere if the chance came up. The whole team just feels like it's being rundown and the new stadium is a smokescreen so Welnix can withdraw without too much grief when the club finally carks it. They've not invested enough by a long way and they don't seem to see that investing in the club is the only way to save it.

Kingz .... Knights .... Nix ....

"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...

I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...

Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...

Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."

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almost 12 years ago

You really think so? That the Nix are f**ked?

Ernie gets credit from me, anyway, that he tells it like it is.


“I don’t think we’re going to make the finals now, I don’t think realistically we’re going to make the finals, I think we blew our chance tonight,” Merrick said. 

“We’d have to consistently play three good games and win all three of them and I just don’t see us doing that with the lineup we’ve got at the moment.”


Read more at http://www.fourfourtwo.com/au/news/ernie-merrick-admits-phoenix-cant-make-finals#CGmWDYbwlcgva8eH.99




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almost 12 years ago
ForteanTimes wrote:
Doloras wrote:
theprof wrote:

this excuse never worked for during the sack ricki phase of our existance why would it be available to Ernie?



First season blues? I'm going to give him one more year before I feel confident enough to get back on the DISMISS BERT'S FLATMATE bandwagon.

Seriously, are there people out there who do think Ernie's stuffed it up, rather than the players being scatterbrained?


My take is that there are several senior players that need to be got rid of. Some of the youngsters should be given another season to step up and if not should be moved on.

I don't blame Ernie at all. I wouldn't blame him for looking elsewhere if the chance came up. The whole team just feels like it's being rundown and the new stadium is a smokescreen so Welnix can withdraw without too much grief when the club finally carks it. They've not invested enough by a long way and they don't seem to see that investing in the club is the only way to save it.
But they did it for Wellington.LOL Cant wait for Morgan to get started on the Hurricanes.

Then again maybe they might find us some players in one of these poverty stricken places they like to spend their money on.Guess charity begins at home goes amiss when you have shitloads.Better to kill all the bloody cats.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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almost 12 years ago

I can understand people being frustrated, but we've had a season in which we have lost Fenton, Ifill, Riera, Caira and Hernandez to injury, all who arguably would be in our every week starting 11.  And we've also lost Brindall-South and Bertos from the squad to injury.  Plus this week we've lost Siggy to a very tough couple of yellow cards.  


That's a third of the squad unavailable and HALF OF THE OUTFIELD STARTING 11 missing and six out of ten if you count Siggy.  Pretty tough to deal with and I agree with Ernie, you just can't keep papering over those sort of absences from the starting side.  No matter how hard the guys try.


I don't think you can blame Welnix for that, and I don't think you can blame Ernie.  He made an initial call that Lia and Muscat could do an adequate job at DM and CM, with Carlos added to the mix.  I had a problem with that, but he then spent at DM when Ifill was injured.  Who'd have thought we'd have been caught out so badly by injuries.  

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almost 12 years ago

Interesting point Ballane, I'm beginning to blame those bloody cats!

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almost 12 years ago

well they nix are here for the next season, and I'm sure that Gareth will want to hang around he has heaps of $$ from Xero now too......

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almost 12 years ago

Thought it was Sam that got Xero dollars not Gareth?

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almost 12 years ago

whoops my bad, you are correct article on stuff was confusing as it had a pic of both of the Morgan men and discussed their intial fortune

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almost 12 years ago


"we've got the wrong Morgan"

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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almost 12 years ago

Ernie is sick and tired of NZ Football's high-performance manager going on TV and dissing high-performing NZ players like Jeremy Brockie.

When I saw the headline I thought he wanted to beat up Dewhurst like the rest of us, but this is okay too.


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almost 12 years ago

Good commentary from Ernie. Smart operator

Grumpy old bastard alert

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almost 12 years ago

Forget about freedom of speech.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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almost 12 years ago
Doloras wrote:

Ernie is sick and tired of NZ Football's high-performance manager going on TV and dissing high-performing NZ players like Jeremy Brockie.

When I saw the headline I thought he wanted to beat up Dewhurst like the rest of us, but this is okay too.



There is quite a que to get to Dribblehurst...nasty little man ...
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almost 12 years ago

I'm not sure it is a conflict - it's probably unwise but where's the conflict?  It would really only be an issue if you thought he was holding back criticising NZ players.


Really this just comes across as Ernie doesn't like his players getting stick

Normo's coming home

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almost 12 years ago

You mean he is showing some loyalty to his players? Fair enough because Ernie himself can give them a burst when they need it. But if you are referring to Dewhurst, does anyone actually take him seriously? He and de Jong are the negatives of NZ football. Their boring monotone comments rather than commentary is loathsome at best. I heard de Jong getting a burst from a punter today who rang in Radio NZ Sports just after 1pm 

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almost 12 years ago · edited almost 12 years ago · History
What's most damming about this interview is not the conflict of interest. It's that Ernie has been in the role for a year and has never had any official discussion with New Zealand football. This is our only professional team and the fact that NZ football has never spoken to the coach, smacks of both laziness or incompetence. Both are sackable offences. It is for that reason that De Jong should lose his job (not at Sky but at NZ football).



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almost 12 years ago

Preferably both

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almost 12 years ago
Leggy wrote:

Forget about freedom of speech.



Freedom of speech = the freedom to shoot your mouth off without the government punishing you, not freedom from anyone else getting pissed off at you and firing back.

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almost 12 years ago
Doloras wrote:

Just a little tit-bit for the DomPost reporters looking for a cheesy headline. :)

But seriously, I do think we need a thread for the growing belief that the Nix are underdone, Ernie hasn't filled all the gaps in recruitment, we still haven't got a midfield worth talking about, and we're looking at another wooden-spoon season.



Wow, and there I was thinking I was wrong. Of course we did fill the gap in midfield... until Reira was busted.

Anyway, Ernie gets man points for me for taking responsibility, but the thing is - who holds the coach accountable in the Welnix era, since Welnix don't seem to have a clue how to build a winning A-League club?

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almost 12 years ago

The  GM.

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almost 12 years ago
Doloras wrote:
Doloras wrote:

Just a little tit-bit for the DomPost reporters looking for a cheesy headline. :)

But seriously, I do think we need a thread for the growing belief that the Nix are underdone, Ernie hasn't filled all the gaps in recruitment, we still haven't got a midfield worth talking about, and we're looking at another wooden-spoon season.



Wow, and there I was thinking I was wrong. Of course we did fill the gap in midfield... until Reira was busted.

Anyway, Ernie gets man points for me for taking responsibility, but the thing is - who holds the coach accountable in the Welnix era, since Welnix don't seem to have a clue how to build a winning A-League club?

"We have no excuse for conceding goals like that" (47 in 26). - Ernie M

"At the end of the drive the lawmen arrive...

I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...

Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...

Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."

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almost 12 years ago
2ndBest wrote:

The  GM.


So what you're saying is that the hashtag should be #SackDomey?

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almost 12 years ago

The GM's role is quite safe if he is following the wishes of the owners. Would be a completely different situation if Welnix had splashed out on a big name marquee, spend $$$$ on some other top class players, made huge noises about winning the league etc. Then he might be in trouble.

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almost 12 years ago
Doloras wrote:
Doloras wrote:

Just a little tit-bit for the DomPost reporters looking for a cheesy headline. :)

But seriously, I do think we need a thread for the growing belief that the Nix are underdone, Ernie hasn't filled all the gaps in recruitment, we still haven't got a midfield worth talking about, and we're looking at another wooden-spoon season.



Wow, and there I was thinking I was wrong. Of course we did fill the gap in midfield... until Reira was busted.

Anyway, Ernie gets man points for me for taking responsibility, but the thing is - who holds the coach accountable in the Welnix era, since Welnix don't seem to have a clue how to build a winning A-League club?

Yes, Ernie has done the right thing and publicly accepted responsibility so that his players can focus on the game.
In reality he should not to be held accountable because a) first year and a largely inherited squad, b) player availability and scheduling of games re AW beyond his control, c) injuries and lack of depth not his doing either, d) our mid-season purple patch showed that his philosophy was starting to gel.

I do think Welnix & GM have to look at their recruitment policy and the current players require some form of uncomfortable spooning to remind them of their role in some rather naff games recently.

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almost 12 years ago

" And we've got Manny Muscat and Ben Sigmund and Michael Boxall who continually get yellow cards and they don't really worry too much about it. Of course you pay a price for that at the end of the year when you're desperate. And that's going to change, next year, I can guarantee." 


Kin Oath Ernie

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almost 12 years ago

Siggy wasn't actually that bad this year for most of the season. Did kind of lose it at the end but for most of the season was very good. I suspect Riera actually had the highest number of yellows compared to minutes played.


It's all very well taking ownership of problems, but it kind of loses the impact when you then go and single out three players in the next sentence. But yeah discipline has been a problem across the team. I think you do need to add Hernandez and Cunningham into that list (out of the public spotlight), they can lose their rag a bit after a call goes against them.

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almost 12 years ago

Ernie tells it exactly like it is.

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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almost 12 years ago
rjmiller wrote:

Siggy wasn't actually that bad this year for most of the season. Did kind of lose it at the end but for most of the season was very good. I suspect Riera actually had the highest number of yellows compared to minutes played.


It's all very well taking ownership of problems, but it kind of loses the impact when you then go and single out three players in the next sentence. But yeah discipline has been a problem across the team. I think you do need to add Hernandez and Cunningham into that list (out of the public spotlight), they can lose their rag a bit after a call goes against them.



We've had problems with discipline from certain players for years and there have been seasons when we've not lost the plot as we've done this year.

Siggy has been part of a defense that has been murdered this season, yes just like Durante he has shown fine spells but both need to be moved on as neither anywhere near consistent anymore.

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almost 12 years ago
rjmiller wrote:

Siggy wasn't actually that bad this year for most of the season. Did kind of lose it at the end but for most of the season was very good. I suspect Riera actually had the highest number of yellows compared to minutes played.


It's all very well taking ownership of problems, but it kind of loses the impact when you then go and single out three players in the next sentence. But yeah discipline has been a problem across the team. I think you do need to add Hernandez and Cunningham into that list (out of the public spotlight), they can lose their rag a bit after a call goes against them.


A defender can't be good most of the time. You can't play well for 89 minutes and then have a brain fart and let them score. Strikers just need one good touch to have a good game, defenders and midfielders need consistency for 90 minutes.
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almost 12 years ago

Bring back Ricki.

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almost 12 years ago

Congrats on your Aussie award - Order of Australia Medal (OAM)


Hope you also get more silverware this season


(medals, not spoons)


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