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Steve-O wrote:
Why would we suddenly start playing long ball stuff with the formation I suggested? Not entirely sure where that idea comes from? [/QUOTE]

How are you going to get the ball from the back to the front? Through Brown/McKain/Lia? I think they've proven they can't do that.
 
Steve-O wrote:
I think Bertos is better out wide also and he is being wasted in the middle at the moment.


What game have you been watching. He been at his best running right through the middle at the defensive line.
 
[QUOTE=Steve-O]I just thought 5 across the midfield might give us more width to get crosses in, and with 2 up front in the 'proper' sense of being up front, there might be more chance of one of 2 strikers actually getting on the end of something.
 
So you are advocating a lateral long ball, from touchline to box rather than back line to forward line. In all honesty, the success rate of that is very vey low on scoring from crosses.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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I agree with your comment re Leo, he is wasted playing central and last few weeks suggest he is unsuited and doesn't appear to have the game to play a central role whereas out wide he looks a natural.
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Jeff Vader wrote:
irnbru14 wrote:

Smithy, taking what you have said about a 3 man midfield, I can understand why we would play 2 sitting midfielders when playing away from home, but at home a small tweak to the system would give us more of an attacking edge.

Suggest swapping from two defensive players and one offensive to one defensive and two mor offensive, would still allow Muscat and Lochhead to get forward knowing that there was a midfielder dropping deep to cover for them, say:
 
                         Paston
 
Muscat  SIgmund  Durante  Lochhead
 
                          Lia
 
                Brown     Caceres
 
Daniel                                        Ifill
                      Greenacre
 
Would allow us to get that other body into the box from midfield to hopefully convert the chances we are creating. 


Since when has Brown been an offensive minded midfielder?
You also advocate leaving out McKain and Bertos?

Dude.....
 
Whoops, sorry Leo!!
 
I do think Brown could push on a bit further, he does seem to have a bit of a knack of getting into position for shots on goal at the edge of the box.
 
Was a suggestion on formation to allow us to free up two midfielders for attack instead of just the one we use at the moment.
 
Lia instead of McKain, unless you push Lia into the Brown role of course
irnbru142009-09-23 20:54:52
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Jeff Vader wrote:
Steve-O wrote:
Why would we suddenly start playing long ball stuff with the formation I suggested? Not entirely sure where that idea comes from? [/QUOTE]

How are you going to get the ball from the back to the front? Through Brown/McKain/Lia? I think they've proven they can't do that.
 
Steve-O wrote:
I think Bertos is better out wide also and he is being wasted in the middle at the moment.


What game have you been watching. He been at his best running right through the middle at the defensive line.
 
[QUOTE=Steve-O]I just thought 5 across the midfield might give us more width to get crosses in, and with 2 up front in the 'proper' sense of being up front, there might be more chance of one of 2 strikers actually getting on the end of something.
 
So you are advocating a lateral long ball, from touchline to box rather than back line to forward line. In all honesty, the success rate of that is very vey low on scoring from crosses.

 
I'm not advocating any long ball - when I say crosses I'd rather someone was getting to the byline and whipping them in, not just floating aimless crosses in from miles out.
 
The personnel in the middle is not set in stone like I said, there must be SOMEONE who can play central midfield and can pass a ball? If not, then wait till Fred comes along...
 
I think Bertos has been a bit quiet the last 2-3 games (yes he scored at the weekend, but otherwise) and he has mainly been in the middle.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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irnbru14 wrote:
Was a suggestion on formation to allow us to free up two midfielders for attack instead of just the one we use at the moment.


 ...and I say again.  Why would you free up a midfielder this week when in Travis and McGlinchey we run in to the two best creative midfielders in the league ? 

Although I've worked out how to avoid angst over all this... Ricki won't change it anyway.  He knows he's on the right track and unless forced to by the absence of Ifill he's not going to change a thing....

...it's my new happy place.

Forza 4-3-3.
Hard News2009-09-23 21:01:05

How's my driving? - Whine here

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Hard News wrote:
irnbru14 wrote:
Was a suggestion on formation to allow us to free up two midfielders for attack instead of just the one we use at the moment.


 ...and I say again.  Why would you free up a midfielder this week when in Travis and McGlinchey we run in to the two best creative midfielders in the league ? 

Although I've worked out how to avoid angst over all this... Ricki won't change it anyway.  He knows he's on the right track and unless forced to by the absence of Ifill he's not going to change a thing....

...it's my new happy place.

Forza 4-3-3.
 
I don't understand why you get Angsty about people discussing football!?!?
 
I wasn't specifically talking about this next game either, just why do we need to play with two sitting defensive midfielders when we are the home team, it's a general topic for discussion and was developing my thinking from where Smithy had taken it to.
 
Anyway, we are the home team on Sunday, should we not be trying to impose our game onto them??
irnbru142009-09-23 21:12:13
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Well, I agree he's not going to change it, that's a certainty so we'll just need to see how it pans out.
 
A win really is a must on Sunday, so lets hope it does all come together finally.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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Steve-O wrote:
A win really is a must on Sunday, so lets hope it does all come together finally.
 
Someone says that every week.... stop jinxing us
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Steve-O, 3 at the back?  Really?  There's a reason that almost no international or professional side plays like that now, generally coaches have figured out how to attack it.
 
Just on the Paul Thompson article, he might express some people's sentiments but it doesn't exactly carry a lot of weight when the guy has never even played or coached beyond NZ amateur level does it?  Or the that he doesn't have any coaching qualifications, or is even involved in the game now...
 
 
james dean2009-09-23 21:17:38

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UberGunner wrote:
This is nearly as bad as the Arsenal fans fracturing into the AKB's  (Arsene knows best) versus the 'Wenger out, get someone who spends money" arguments that crop up every season.
Why do people assume Ricki isnt trying his best to make this club successful?
I don't think people are saying Ricki's not trying.
Its very common for peoples ambition to exceed their talent.
Might be just me, but once thats revealed, I sack them.
 
auskiwi2009-09-23 21:20:19
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james dean wrote:
Steve-O, 3 at the back?  Really?  There's a reason that almost no international or professional side plays like that now, generally coaches have figured out how to attack it.
 
Just on the Paul Thompson article, he might express some people's sentiments but it doesn't exactly carry a lot of weight when the guy has never even played or coached beyond NZ amateur level does it?  Or the that he doesn't have any coaching qualifications, or is even involved in the game now...
 
 
 
Does that mean his views have less meaning? He was writing as a slightly frustrated fan from the way it was written IMHO.
 
 Does that mean 99% of the football comment on this messageboard is rubbish as most of us have never played football beyond 5 a side level??
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irnbru14 wrote:
 Does that mean 99% of the football comment on this messageboard is rubbish
 
Yes.
Gangsta!2009-09-23 21:23:01
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james dean wrote:
Steve-O, 3 at the back?  Really?  There's a reason that almost no international or professional side plays like that now, generally coaches have figured out how to attack it.
 
Just on the Paul Thompson article, he might express some people's sentiments but it doesn't exactly carry a lot of weight when the guy has never even played or coached beyond NZ amateur level does it?  Or the that he doesn't have any coaching qualifications, or is even involved in the game now...
 
 
 
Well, not everyone can be a coach for one reason or another, but everybody is entitled to their opinion - it's the nature of football, and it's part of the reason people love it - it can be endlessly debated for one reason or another by fans, players, coaches, journalists etc.
 
I think people who have watched football religiously for nearly quarter of a century (me) or even longer, have enough of a knowledge of the game to not have their opinion summarily dismissed just because they happen to have chosen a career path away from football. Not saying I, or anyone else is necessarily dead right, but I don't think opinions of those who have not made a living in the game are completely invalid all of the time.
 
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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Gangsta! wrote:
irnbru14 wrote:
 Does that mean 99% of the football comment on this messageboard is rubbish
 
Yes.
 
Then why does anyone bother then
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irnbru14 wrote:
Gangsta! wrote:
irnbru14 wrote:
 Does that mean 99% of the football comment on this messageboard is rubbish
 
Yes.
 
Then why does anyone bother then
 
Cause their delusional and think their part of the 1%.
Gangsta!2009-09-23 21:24:19
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Steve-O for Nix coach

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Gangsta! wrote:
irnbru14 wrote:
Gangsta! wrote:
irnbru14 wrote:
 Does that mean 99% of the football comment on this messageboard is rubbish
 
Yes.
 
Then why does anyone bother then
 
Cause their delusional and think their part of the 1%.
 
Well thats cheefull...so where do you sit then
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Steve-O wrote:
james dean wrote:
Steve-O, 3 at the back?  Really?  There's a reason that almost no international or professional side plays like that now, generally coaches have figured out how to attack it.
 
Just on the Paul Thompson article, he might express some people's sentiments but it doesn't exactly carry a lot of weight when the guy has never even played or coached beyond NZ amateur level does it?  Or the that he doesn't have any coaching qualifications, or is even involved in the game now...
 
 
 
Well, not everyone can be a coach for one reason or another, but everybody is entitled to their opinion - it's the nature of football, and it's part of the reason people love it - it can be endlessly debated for one reason or another by fans, players, coaches, journalists etc.
 
I think people who have watched football religiously for nearly quarter of a century (me) or even longer, have enough of a knowledge of the game to not have their opinion summarily dismissed just because they happen to have chosen a career path away from football. Not saying I, or anyone else is necessarily dead right, but I don't think opinions of those who have not made a living in the game are completely invalid all of the time.
 
 
 
Of course he's entitled to his opinion, as is everyone on here, and everyone is entitled to express it (although by being a fairfax employee he's in a position to express his opinion on a greater stage than we are).  But if it was Jose Mourinho giving his opinion I'd be far more likely to respect it.  I've never been one to agree with the sentiment that watching football is enough to qualify you as an expert, and I include myself in that.  That's why generally I tend to side with coaching staff (a) generally I think they know what they are talking about and (b) they see the players in training, they know what they can do etc etc.  Looking in from the outside you're trying to make judgements based on about 20% of the available information

Normo's coming home

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irnbru14 wrote:
Gangsta! wrote:
irnbru14 wrote:
Gangsta! wrote:
irnbru14 wrote:
 Does that mean 99% of the football comment on this messageboard is rubbish
 
Yes.
 
Then why does anyone bother then
 
Cause their delusional and think their part of the 1%.
 
Well thats cheefull...so where do you sit then
 
If you think you are part of the 1%, then you're delusional. If you think you're part of the 99% you're not delusional. And that's the truth of it for all of us... not that any of us would admit it.
 
None of us work outside of football because we made a deliberate decision to do so!
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irnbru14 wrote:
I don't understand why you get Angsty about people discussing football!?!?


But it's not a discussion is it ?  It's you and Stevo (mainly) completely bombarding the forum with your views that are against everyone elses.  At no point do you acknowledge or remotely take on others views or even consider that majority may have a fair point.

I love a discussion, but this isn't a discussion.  Since 19:00 Sunday, this and up to 4 other threads have been the same posts over and over and over and over and over again.  I'd love a good discussion about who might replace Ifill and how they will fit in to our current highly creative flowing style of play but that's not going to happen because despite all the evidence to the contrary we keep being assured by a minority that we don't play like that.

Instead there will be four more days of people claiming that the solution to our problems are to add another man up front when every single statistic and statement makes it clear that the problem isn't a problem that needs another man up front to solve it.

It needs a simple thing.  Players to finish chances.  You can play 6 men up front but if those 6 don't put the ball in the back of the net you'll still finish with no goals.  We're creating as many chances as any other side in the league with our current formatuion, and despite what Marius claims to be seeing are playing the best looking and most attacking football that the club has in it's existence yet we have more posts complaining about it than we ever have before.... not more people, just more posts.

I will say this now, if Ifill is 100% fit (unlikely) on Sunday and we play the style and formation we have played for the last few weeks and we convert 1 in 5 of our chance we will beat the Mariners by 3, much the same as if we had taken a fraction of our chances against Brisbane, Adelaide and Mebourne we would have beaten them by the same margin.

1 up front, 2 up front, 3 up front, if you don't finish, you don't win, the formation means nothing.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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Feverish wrote:
Steve-O for Nix coach
 
5 up front, like the Hibs team of the 1950's - they won the league. It's a guaranteed success.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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Steve-O wrote:
5 up front, like the Hibs team of the 1950's - they won the league. It's a guaranteed success.


If they fail to finish chances someone will still be hear whining that you didn't play 6.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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Feverish wrote:
Steve-O for Nix coach
 
Steve-O has already pointed out that thats  a typical comment of someone supporting a failing coach. Oh, don't say anything if you can't do better. . Funny as.
How many people who vote could run the country?
Shouldn't really vote if you can't.
Its about as lame as Ricki's, if but maybe shoulda coulda woulda comments.
He is about as decisive as ... ah well, a Ricki Herbert.
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Hard News wrote:
irnbru14 wrote:
I don't understand why you get Angsty about people discussing football!?!?


But it's not a discussion is it ?  It's you and Stevo (mainly) completely bombarding the forum with your views that are against everyone elses.  At no point do you acknowledge or remotely take on others views or even consider that majority may have a fair point.

I love a discussion, but this isn't a discussion.  Since 19:00 Sunday, this and up to 4 other threads have been the same posts over and over and over and over and over again.  I'd love a good discussion about who might replace Ifill and how they will fit in to our current highly creative flowing style of play but that's not going to happen because despite all the evidence to the contrary we keep being assured by a minority that we don't play like that.

Instead there will be four more days of people claiming that the solution to our problems are to add another man up front when every single statistic and statement makes it clear that the problem isn't a problem that needs another man up front to solve it.

It needs a simple thing.  Players to finish chances.  You can play 6 men up front but if those 6 don't put the ball in the back of the net you'll still finish with no goals.  We're creating as many chances as any other side in the league with our current formatuion, and despite what Marius claims to be seeing are playing the best looking and most attacking football that the club has in it's existence yet we have more posts complaining about it than we ever have before.... not more people, just more posts.

I will say this now, if Ifill is 100% fit (unlikely) on Sunday and we play the style and formation we have played for the last few weeks and we convert 1 in 5 of our chance we will beat the Mariners by 3, much the same as if we had taken a fraction of our chances against Brisbane, Adelaide and Mebourne we would have beaten them by the same margin.

1 up front, 2 up front, 3 up front, if you don't finish, you don't win, the formation means nothing.

 
 
How is it not a discussion?
 
My views are my views, and yours are yours = debate / discussion.
 
I post something, someone disagrees with it and explains why, I then explain why I disagree with that point, other people do the same, and so it goes on.
 
You also say that formation means nothing, but if that's the case then why are you so keen to keep the current one?
 
I have also acknowledged several times that the current formation works to an extent, and is effective away from home, but it's at home where when it becomes LESS effective, that usually being in the 2nd half, then trying to change it might be better than leaving it and hoping for the best. Thus, I have taken on the views of others, and acknowledged right there that the current formation does work, just not to the extent some believe, and my evidence is the league table and the goals for column.
 
You believe we are creating enough, I think we can create more at times. Differing views, what's the problem?
 
 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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auskiwi wrote:
Feverish wrote:
Steve-O for Nix coach
 
Steve-O has already pointed out that thats  a typical comment of someone supporting a failing coach. Oh, don't say anything if you can't do better. . Funny as.
How many people who vote could run the country?
Shouldn't really vote if you can't.
Its about as lame as Ricki's, if but maybe shoulda coulda woulda comments.
He is about as decisive as ... ah well, a Ricki Herbert.
 
in english next time please
Feverish2009-09-23 21:44:02

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Hard News wrote:
Steve-O wrote:
5 up front, like the Hibs team of the 1950's - they won the league. It's a guaranteed success.


If they fail to finish chances someone will still be hear whining that you didn't play 6.
 
If it's 0-0 at half time a 6th striker will be brought on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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james dean wrote:
Steve-O, 3 at the back?� Really?� There's a reason that almost no international or professional side plays like that now, generally coaches have figured out how to attack it.
�

Just on the Paul Thompson article, he might express some people's sentiments but it doesn't exactly carry a lot of weight when the guy has never even played or coached beyond NZ amateur level does it?� Or the that he doesn't have any coaching qualifications, or is even involved in the game now...

�

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For all future posts please state the highest level of football you played and/or coached, whether you are still involved in the game and in what capacity. If your opinion does not fit with the party line it will be dismissed unless your pedigree is impeccable.
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Steve-O wrote:
How is it not a discussion?
 


I'll put this another way, other than as a moderator I'm not heavily involved in this thread, but every time I pop in to ccheck if anything needs to be moderated I'm reading exactly the same posts (maybe slightly reworded) that were being posted here at 20:00 on Sunday night.

How is this advancing the discussion ?

How's my driving? - Whine here

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Hard News wrote:
Gangsta! wrote:
Cause their delusional and think their part of the 1%.


They're
 
Damn you. I had They're and edited LOL
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That's unfair mate, this guy has just had an opinion piece published on the major news website in NZ where he's highly critical of the coach of a professional football team despite never having played at that level himself.  Isn't it fair enough to ask what qualifies him to make those criticisms?

Normo's coming home

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whitby fever wrote:


For all future posts please state the highest level of football you played and/or coached, whether you are still involved in the game and in what capacity. If your opinion does not fit with the party line it will be dismissed unless your pedigree is impeccable.


Now, hang on Whitby.  James isn't saying that about posting on here, rather being given column inches in a major daily newspaper.  There is a fundamental difference here, and an important one considering how ill-informed about football many of the readers of the DomPost would be.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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Feverish wrote:
auskiwi wrote:
Feverish wrote:
Steve-O for Nix coach
 
Steve-O has already pointed out that thats  a typical comment of someone supporting a failing coach. Oh, don't say anything if you can't do better. . Funny as.
How many people who vote could run the country?
Shouldn't really vote if you can't.
Its about as lame as Ricki's, if but maybe shoulda coulda woulda comments.
He is about as decisive as ... ah well, a Ricki Herbert.
 
in english next time please
What didn't you understand?
Happy to quote Ricki, if you like.
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"and my evidence is the league table and the goals for column."
 
Um...thats also evidence of the fact we're not finishing our chances. So does that mean im right?
 
We are creating more than most in the league,ok you may believe we can create more,but why do that at the risk of losing all the chances we're currently creating? This is exactly what rikis answer was to Hearfield. The consequence far outweighs the benefit.
 
I can concede maybe looking to someone other than ifill and greenacre to have on the bench (or even starting if theyre good enough) to improve the quality of finishing,but can you honestly say we have that player in our midst? Only one i know of is maybe costa since he scored 2 on tuesday,but then that really is the sort of thing riki would know better than any of us.
 
All this talk of formations and how many we play up front is irrelevent in my opinion as changing the formation can only either keep chances the same or lessen them. Therefore we have to look at the personnel we have,and if there is someone with similar creative and defensive abilities but greater finishing to someone in the starting XI then make the swap. But i know of no evidence to suggest this is possible.
 
the only thing i could think that has come from all this is to maybe try costa on the bench again as an impact goalscoring sub (kind of like how Ferguson used Owen vs man city). But thats not worth 100 pages of arguing about,as its a  pretty minor tweak.

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Hard News wrote:

whitby fever wrote:

For all future posts please state the highest level of football you played and/or coached, whether you are still involved in the game and in what capacity. If your opinion does not fit with the party line it will be dismissed unless your pedigree is impeccable.
Now, hang on Whitby.� James isn't saying that about posting on here, rather being given column inches in a major daily newspaper.� There is a fundamental difference here, and an important one considering how ill-informed about football many of the readers of the DomPost would be.


Fair enough I had my tongue firmly in my cheek as I wrote it. But there are many journalists out there that have no playing/coaching credentials but have views that are worth reading and/or listening too.
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Tegal wrote:
"and my evidence is the league table and the goals for column."
 
Um...thats also evidence of the fact we're not finishing our chances. So does that mean im right?
 
We are creating more than most in the league,ok you may believe we can create more,but why do that at the risk of losing all the chances we're currently creating? This is exactly what rikis answer was to Hearfield. The consequence far outweighs the benefit.
 
I can concede maybe looking to someone other than ifill and greenacre to have on the bench (or even starting if theyre good enough) to improve the quality of finishing,but can you honestly say we have that player in our midst? Only one i know of is maybe costa since he scored 2 on tuesday,but then that really is the sort of thing riki would know better than any of us.
 
All this talk of formations and how many we play up front is irrelevent in my opinion as changing the formation can only either keep chances the same or lessen them. Therefore we have to look at the personnel we have,and if there is someone with similar creative and defensive abilities but greater finishing to someone in the starting XI then make the swap. But i know of no evidence to suggest this is possible.
 
the only thing i could think that has come from all this is to maybe try costa on the bench again as an impact goalscoring sub (kind of like how Ferguson used Owen vs man city). But thats not worth 100 pages of arguing about,as its a  pretty minor tweak.
 
I think its a pretty major tweak and a positive sign from Ricki if we put another striker on the bench.
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whitby fever wrote:
Hard News wrote:

whitby fever wrote:

For all future posts please state the highest level of football you played and/or coached, whether you are still involved in the game and in what capacity. If your opinion does not fit with the party line it will be dismissed unless your pedigree is impeccable.
Now, hang on Whitby.  James isn't saying that about posting on here, rather being given column inches in a major daily newspaper.  There is a fundamental difference here, and an important one considering how ill-informed about football many of the readers of the DomPost would be.


Fair enough I had my tongue firmly in my cheek as I wrote it. But there are many journalists out there that have no playing/coaching credentials but have views that are worth reading and/or listening too.
 
And are certainly more literate, inquisitive, thoughtful and and worth listening to or reading than the vast majority of ex-footballer/coach pundits who are around.
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irnbru14 wrote:
whitby fever wrote:
Hard News wrote:
whitby fever wrote:
For all future posts please state the highest level of football you played and/or coached, whether you are still involved in the game and in what capacity. If your opinion does not fit with the party line it will be dismissed unless your pedigree is impeccable.
Now, hang on Whitby.� James isn't saying that about posting on here, rather being given column inches in a major daily newspaper.� There is a fundamental difference here, and an important one considering how ill-informed about football many of the readers of the DomPost would be.
Fair enough I had my tongue firmly in my cheek as I wrote it. But there are many journalists out there that have no playing/coaching credentials but have views that are worth reading and/or listening too.


�

And are certainly more literate, inquisitive, thoughtful�and and worth listening to or reading�than the vast majority of ex-footballer/coach pundits who are around.


Don't tell me you've stopped reading the Billy Harris column?whitby fever2009-09-23 22:11:01
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Tegal wrote:
"and my evidence is the league table and the goals for column."
 
Um...thats also evidence of the fact we're not finishing our chances. So does that mean im right?
 
We are creating more than most in the league,ok you may believe we can create more,but why do that at the risk of losing all the chances we're currently creating? This is exactly what rikis answer was to Hearfield. The consequence far outweighs the benefit.
 
I can concede maybe looking to someone other than ifill and greenacre to have on the bench (or even starting if theyre good enough) to improve the quality of finishing,but can you honestly say we have that player in our midst? Only one i know of is maybe costa since he scored 2 on tuesday,but then that really is the sort of thing riki would know better than any of us.
 
All this talk of formations and how many we play up front is irrelevent in my opinion as changing the formation can only either keep chances the same or lessen them. Therefore we have to look at the personnel we have,and if there is someone with similar creative and defensive abilities but greater finishing to someone in the starting XI then make the swap. But i know of no evidence to suggest this is possible.
 
the only thing i could think that has come from all this is to maybe try costa on the bench again as an impact goalscoring sub (kind of like how Ferguson used Owen vs man city). But thats not worth 100 pages of arguing about,as its a  pretty minor tweak.
 
 
I don't disagree that we're not finishing the chances we are creating - that point cannot be disputed.
 
My opinion is that we could create more chances, and therefore have more of a chance of scoring some of them.
 
Your opinion is that the amount of chances is fine, and we just need to bury them.
 
Of course if we did bury all our chances, then we'd likely win games, but the chances of us converting a high percentage of our chances is highly unlikely based on what we've seen so far and teams at higher levels than the A-League are guilty of missing lots of chances from time to time.
 
What my main gripe has been after Sunday though is the taking the foot off the gas in the 2nd half which is a slightly different argument because I didn't think we created nearly enough in that 45 minutes of football to close out the game, and we were punished for it in the end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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