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Congratulations to Ricki on the new contract.
Spot on Whitby boy.
In order to achive point #5 he needs to appoint a very good assistant couch who would be able to assist with point #3, but also to be influential enough, in such a way, that Ricki recognise his own need to develop under your point #4.

so if Ricki dropped dead tomorrow, who would replace him as coach of the nix.

I am not looking at greenie stepping up, who would be the new man to take us forward.

just wondering if there really is nobody else out there.

Id give it a crack. Have several seasons of football manager experience.

What could go wrong?

I think results wouldn't be of much importance for a while, so there would be time to find someone overseas.

please not branko culina!

He scored over 100 goals in the SPL so try and be a little less blinkered with your stats next time...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spQ3ihnxWNU- and just to try and change your view...here's some goals which are evidence he could cut it in the A-League no problems.
Steve-O2011-11-13 13:31:24

Give a thousand monkeys a thousand typewriters.

Sam Worthington is whining that they didn't at least try to sack Ricki.

 
yea i just started reading that, then after about a paragraph figured it was the same old tripe.

Both Sam Worthington and Billy Harris are fairly critical of Ricki and his record in the a league.  So just for fun I have had a look at another manager's first five year record.

Theres already a few comments about Sam the Sham over in the Dom Post thread.

Worthington at DomPOst chips in  - http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/opinion/5959173/Why-didn-t-owners-look-at-coaching-options


 

http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/Aloisi-opinion-display/Contractual-stability-or-contractual-stupidity/42667

I am increasingly of the opinion that Ricki was safe as long as Terry was a lightning rod, something convenient to blame for the Nix not storming the A-League; now that is of course no longer the case. Someone else mentioned that "I thought everyone had written off this season anyway"; not a chance. Short-sighted commentators always want results NOW NOW NOW, and of course it's Ricki's fault because Gareth Morgan and Rob Morrison aren't high profile enough.

Negative comment always says more about the commenter than the target. What do you think the current crop of "there must be someone better than Ricki who would hire the entire NZ U-20 team and make the Grand Final this year" comment says?

Hypothetically speaking, if we win the next two or three games and put us in the top 4 will we get stories from news media lavishly praising Ricki?

No, because - as someone else said - in New Zealand football circles it is accepted that anyone who gets success doesn't deserve it. (Cf: "Ricki did nothing at the WC and Ryan Nelsen ran the team" stories.)

Histrionics much? The slant may be negatively dark grey, but it is not as black and white as you always make it out to be.

The fact remains that if Ricki walked on water, the scuttlebutt around NZ football circles would be that Ryan Nelsen or Andrew Durante were under the water holding him up and anyway he couldn't swim.

If RH appeared to walk on water, the rational, scientific response would be to suppose that he had significant help and start looking for the alternative explanations (such as submerged central defenders).

Based on the track record, one can safely say that folks in NZ football circles would be doing something else entirely...

Ok so no negative comments allowed guys,everything is fine, nothing to see here

Fixed that for you.

Yes.  This a repost:

So what is meant to have happened?

Can you enlighten us as to what is negative but isn't stupid in your eyes? Help us out here...

An example of "negative but not stupid" for me would be "Ricki tends to play too defensively" or "Ricki has too much faith in Tim Brown". I don't agree but it is at least something that can be argued. A thought experiment of "what would Ange Postecoglu do if he ran the Nix?" is interesting. Is the first step "sack everyone and start again", or could he do different with the resources I have?

Also, I totally agree with HN above.

Thanks. Who has said sack everyone and start again?

I used to defend your constant defence of the Nix, but it's difficult when you make such sweeping generalisations...
Cosimo2011-11-16 21:15:55

At least the new owners didn't do a Blackburn

I agree News

I listened to Deaker last night and he broached the subject about Ricki. I didn't stick long but again, all the people that said to ditch Ricki did not come up with one domestic name that was better and 1 guy said 'well find someone from overseas'

a: quality coaches that are are better than Ricki (if they are as good as Ricki, why change for the sake of it) do not just sit around waiting for a job. Being in season in Europe and here, all the good ones are working and those sitting waiting are not good enough or do no need to work and can be choosy
b: as mentioned by someone else on this forum, the Victory turned up who? The other A League teams have gone back to retreads... Attracting football coaches to this backwater is not easy because of location and I somehow doubt that the rumours 150k Ricki gets from the Phoenix (combined with 50k from NZF) would get too much.

I will agree with the sack Ricki brigade when they put a reasoned argument for a named alternative. To date, they have yet to.

(in reference to my above point I can agree that sometimes you need to make change for the sake of a new voice but why do it if the coach is only as good as what you had?)
Jeff Vader2011-11-16 21:46:07

Deaker knows nothing about football and am surprised he even mentioned it. Thought the Zac Guildford debacle would keep him going for a few weeks

You are right, he doesn't and he paid it lip service. A person with a but of nouse would have actually developed it. He didn't dwell on Guildford long as he paid him out Monday night.

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To justify sacking Ricki you need to be confident that there is a better option out there.

I honestly can't think of a better option in NZ or Australia apart from Ange P on current performance, and the FFA made damn sure he wasn't going to move from Brisbane.

Ricki apparently earns in the region of $200-250k per year (unless Welnix gave him a raise). I wouldn't be surprised if that makes him the cheapest coach in the A-League. You could look at overseas options but getting someone over here for that kind of money seems hopeful.

Give the man some proper back-room support, a couple of decent signings and a couple of years to see what he can do with it.

unfortunately we will never be privy to how hard the nix owners are scouring the market, and dangling the carrot.

if you treat it as 'we will sit back and wait or someone to get fired from their current coaching job' then you could be waiting AGES.

shoulder tapping on the other hand.....

(hopefully this meets the new standards Dolares has imposed on us)




sir les2011-11-16 22:41:47

van 't Schip is on 700K according to reports.

That kind of money is crazy. By that definition, our coach is bloody cheap. In this country, you can live quite well on 200k. Or is it a case that we get what we pay for?

I'm trying to see both sides but its difficult. You've got some good points there TX.

Who would you shoulder tap Sir Les. You've put it out there so who would you want. Everyone wants Ange but thats not happening so who else is there that the Phoenix would want to poach realistically.

unfortunately I dont know enough about the various people who are coaching around the asia paciic region. give me a few days.

so who would I shoulder tap...depends, whats my budget?? that is the core of the problem.

but I would shoulder tap someone who knows that playing a small man up the front, and then continuing to play long ball to him, is rubbish.

there are two ways to view this.

we pay $200k to our coach, and accept that we will not attract anyone apart from nz born and bred coaches. according to all the posters on here, there is no one in NZ who can do the job, so we have RH as our coach for eternity

or, the new owners increase the salary range, and a few more doors will open.

...and there we get right back to the crux of my point. Currently the Nix Nine by their own admission know very little about football so are clearly in no position to A, shoulder tap anyone or B, Know what they want, need or would have to pay.

This once again comes back to the fact that in the current environment there is only one man for the job.

Incidentally, if the Nix Nine won't pay for the players we clearly need, the idea of them paying an additional 500k for a coach seems a stretch.

Oh, and the majority of the time that's not how we play despite what the propagandists would have you believe.

Yes we did on Sunday but those were exceptional circumstances.
Hard News2011-11-16 23:22:54