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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Steve-O wrote:
Frankie Mac wrote:
Steve-O wrote:
Michael wrote:
This thread is crap.

If Brown had got the header in you'd be applauding Ricki 100%.

I wouldn't say we rely on Bertos or ifill, just they seem to be our stars. Everyone winning team in the world has one or two that shine better than the others.
 
Your statement is crap.
 
Saying 'if we scored this chance', and 'if we did this / that / the other' is not helpful - we didn't, and here we are with 2 points dropped at home against a majorly depleted side.
 
Tim Brown had 2 chances - big wows. There were ZERO other chances created.
 
As I stated earlier, we had over 15 shots - just because they were not on target doesn't mean that they were not well created chances.
 
I find it hard to believe that we had 15 shots to be honest - I can remember about 5 including the goal and the offside goal?
 
1 out of 15 on target isn't the best either is it?
 
I'd also be inclined to pretend Bertos's free kick attempts never actually happened too.
 
exactly - and is that the coach's fault?  We had 18 shots to their 5 - now even if two of them were terrible shots (both Bertos free kicks) that is a lot of chances.  Hardly the sign of a team that is too negetive.

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Steve-O wrote:
james dean wrote:

Ok, I disagree, but I think we've reached the end of the line on this on.  I would ask though, if you're going t play 2 up front, which 2 do you play in central midfield.  Because I think that is the dilemma the coaching staff are faced with.

 
In my view there is no two player combination that can get the job done
 
We are already playing 2 in central midfield now though? Only they are too far back!
 
McKain and Brown SHOULD be able to do the job in there! McKain and Lia?
 
 
Hearfield     McKain      Brown      Daniel
 
          Ifill                 Greenacre
 
 
This would be my midfield and striking formation for the next game, fairly simple no? Greenacre is good, but he is far from a miracle worker, and he cannot do it alone up front. I can see this, as can most other, but Ricki can't for some reason?
 
Isn't this the centre mid combination that got dominated by a short term replacement and an old(whilst talented) Italian in our opening game?. Good luck when we face guys like Culina and Hernandez. We really have to play 3 central players as there isn't enough quality for 2 to out play a side week in week out.
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james dean wrote:
I think starting daniel is a positive step.  I'm also interested in caceres, but I'm not pinning all of my hopes on him.  But I certaily don't think that suddenly playing Ifil up front will solve all of our problems, I think that's really simplistic
 
The other thing is Ifil is doing well where he is.  Do we want to change that?

Ifill is doing well where he is, sure, but Bertos had to be moved central to have that and Daniel on, so Ifill looks good, Bertos looks out of place and his his poorest game.  And Caceres is another one of the same type.  We need a good creating and threatening central midfielder (as you've said yourself).  Bertos wasn't it and of everybody in this squad I still think Ifill would be best there with Daniel and Leo wide, Brown supporting going forward.  Unless Diego can come right or Brown starts to show us something we've not been seeing for two years. 

Your answer is simplistic.  Stay the same and get the same mediocre midfield results. 
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Frankie Mac wrote:
Steve-O wrote:
Frankie Mac wrote:
Steve-O wrote:
Michael wrote:
This thread is crap.

If Brown had got the header in you'd be applauding Ricki 100%.

I wouldn't say we rely on Bertos or ifill, just they seem to be our stars. Everyone winning team in the world has one or two that shine better than the others.
 
Your statement is crap.
 
Saying 'if we scored this chance', and 'if we did this / that / the other' is not helpful - we didn't, and here we are with 2 points dropped at home against a majorly depleted side.
 
Tim Brown had 2 chances - big wows. There were ZERO other chances created.
 
As I stated earlier, we had over 15 shots - just because they were not on target doesn't mean that they were not well created chances.
 
I find it hard to believe that we had 15 shots to be honest - I can remember about 5 including the goal and the offside goal?
 
1 out of 15 on target isn't the best either is it?
 
I'd also be inclined to pretend Bertos's free kick attempts never actually happened too.
 
exactly - and is that the coach's fault?  We had 18 shots to their 5 - now even if two of them were terrible shots (both Bertos free kicks) that is a lot of chances.  Hardly the sign of a team that is too negetive.
 
This is the same set of stats that also says Adelaide had 0 attempts that hit the woodwork even though I saw them hit the post with my own eyes.
 
4 shots on target according to those stats = not good enough.
 
Blasting shots from 30 yards out high and wide doesn't mean you are attacking - it usually means that you can't break down the other team and get close enough to their goal! Other than Brown's rubbish mish*t first half, and the goal, I can't think of any shots from inside the box?
 
I also don't know where even these 4 shots on target come from, as I only remember the goal and the offside goal?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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chrfit wrote:
Steve-O wrote:
james dean wrote:

Ok, I disagree, but I think we've reached the end of the line on this on.  I would ask though, if you're going t play 2 up front, which 2 do you play in central midfield.  Because I think that is the dilemma the coaching staff are faced with.

 
In my view there is no two player combination that can get the job done
 
We are already playing 2 in central midfield now though? Only they are too far back!
 
McKain and Brown SHOULD be able to do the job in there! McKain and Lia?
 
 
Hearfield     McKain      Brown      Daniel
 
          Ifill                 Greenacre
 
 
This would be my midfield and striking formation for the next game, fairly simple no? Greenacre is good, but he is far from a miracle worker, and he cannot do it alone up front. I can see this, as can most other, but Ricki can't for some reason?
 
Isn't this the centre mid combination that got dominated by a short term replacement and an old(whilst talented) Italian in our opening game?. Good luck when we face guys like Culina and Hernandez. We really have to play 3 central players as there isn't enough quality for 2 to out play a side week in week out.
 
Well play 3-5-2 then - point is, TRY SOMETHING, rather than persist with the same rubbish because you can't think of anything better!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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chrfit wrote:
Steve-O wrote:
[QUOTE=james dean]
Hearfield     McKain      Brown      Daniel
 
          Ifill                 Greenacre
 
 
This would be my midfield and striking formation for the next game, fairly simple no? Greenacre is good, but he is far from a miracle worker, and he cannot do it alone up front. I can see this, as can most other, but Ricki can't for some reason?
 
Isn't this the centre mid combination that got dominated by a short term replacement and an old(whilst talented) Italian in our opening game?. Good luck when we face guys like Culina and Hernandez. We really have to play 3 central players as there isn't enough quality for 2 to out play a side week in week out.

Daniel/Caceres    Lia    Brown          Bertos
                            |                     Ifil                         l                    
         V               Greenacre                  V
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shots from my memory:
 
the goal
Brown header in the first couple of minutes
Brown scuff shot from about 8 yards
Brown blocked shot from penalty spot
Greenacre toe poke wide from about 6 yards (although on the angle)
Daniel blocked shot when trying to turn in the box in the first half (when he should have hit it from about 10 yards first time)
 
That is 6 very decent chances inside the area, not to mention Lia hitting one from just outside the box when (I think) Daniel had made a great run into the area and should have been slipped in.
 
Bear in mind my memory is pretty sh*t and it happened over 4 hours ago.

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mjp2 wrote:
chrfit wrote:
Steve-O wrote:
[QUOTE=james dean]
Hearfield     McKain      Brown      Daniel
 
          Ifill                 Greenacre
 
 
This would be my midfield and striking formation for the next game, fairly simple no? Greenacre is good, but he is far from a miracle worker, and he cannot do it alone up front. I can see this, as can most other, but Ricki can't for some reason?
 
Isn't this the centre mid combination that got dominated by a short term replacement and an old(whilst talented) Italian in our opening game?. Good luck when we face guys like Culina and Hernandez. We really have to play 3 central players as there isn't enough quality for 2 to out play a side week in week out.

Daniel/Caceres    Lia    Brown          Bertos
                            |                     Ifil                         l                    
         V               Greenacre                  V
 
While I like this formation. Ifil is definately a better player out wide and I would go as far to say he prefers playing wider as opposed to a more central role. Thats why while it was a bit late, bringing on Diego meant there were 2 specialist wide players instead of 3 and a player that preferred playing behind the striker. Unless Ricki's the one missing an open header, refusing to shoot off his wrong foot or scuffing chances in the 18 yard box, then its hardly his fault.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Lia also had a good shot go just wide when a pass was laid back to him from a corner.
 
We showed plenty up front imo.
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Frankie Mac wrote:
shots from my memory:
 
the goal
Brown header in the first couple of minutes
Brown scuff shot from about 8 yards
Brown blocked shot from penalty spot
Greenacre toe poke wide from about 6 yards (although on the angle)
Daniel blocked shot when trying to turn in the box in the first half (when he should have hit it from about 10 yards first time)
 
That is 6 very decent chances inside the area, not to mention Lia hitting one from just outside the box when (I think) Daniel had made a great run into the area and should have been slipped in.
 
Bear in mind my memory is pretty sh*t and it happened over 4 hours ago.
 
We've got to make the keeper work though, and we didn't from any of these efforts you describe, other than the goal which the keeper probably should've saved to be honest.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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Steve-O wrote:
Frankie Mac wrote:
shots from my memory:
 
the goal
Brown header in the first couple of minutes
Brown scuff shot from about 8 yards
Brown blocked shot from penalty spot
Greenacre toe poke wide from about 6 yards (although on the angle)
Daniel blocked shot when trying to turn in the box in the first half (when he should have hit it from about 10 yards first time)
 
That is 6 very decent chances inside the area, not to mention Lia hitting one from just outside the box when (I think) Daniel had made a great run into the area and should have been slipped in.
 
Bear in mind my memory is pretty sh*t and it happened over 4 hours ago.
 
We've got to make the keeper work though, and we didn't from any of these efforts you describe, other than the goal which the keeper probably should've saved to be honest.
 
*sigh*
 
yes - and explain to me how that is the coach's fault?
 
Also, very harsh to say the keeper should have saved the goal.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Frankie Mac wrote:
Steve-O wrote:
Frankie Mac wrote:
shots from my memory:
 
the goal
Brown header in the first couple of minutes
Brown scuff shot from about 8 yards
Brown blocked shot from penalty spot
Greenacre toe poke wide from about 6 yards (although on the angle)
Daniel blocked shot when trying to turn in the box in the first half (when he should have hit it from about 10 yards first time)
 
That is 6 very decent chances inside the area, not to mention Lia hitting one from just outside the box when (I think) Daniel had made a great run into the area and should have been slipped in.
 
Bear in mind my memory is pretty sh*t and it happened over 4 hours ago.
 
We've got to make the keeper work though, and we didn't from any of these efforts you describe, other than the goal which the keeper probably should've saved to be honest.
 
*sigh*
 
yes - and explain to me how that is the coach's fault?
 
Also, very harsh to say the keeper should have saved the goal.
 
No shooting practice at training?
 
Near post - I would expect my keeper to be saving that. It was a good strike, but I'm still surprised it went in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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I think Herbert operates to defensively and does not have the tactical ability to change a match. He constantly changes the formation week in week out because ''we can only draw away from home.'' To succeed football teams need momentum and this is hard to achieve when players have to play a new formation every week.  However, i don�t think ''Herbert must go'' at the moment because let�s face it, there�s no one within New Zealand who would have the ability to replace him. He has made a couple of great signings in Ifill and Greenacre and has got the best out of Leo this season. But at the end of the season if we don�t make playoffs, he must go. Simple.  

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Tommy_Smyth wrote:

I think Herbert operates to defensively and does not have the tactical ability to change a match. He constantly changes the formation week in week out because ''we can only draw away from home.'' To succeed football teams need momentum and this is hard to achieve when players have to play a new formation every week.  However, i don�t think ''Herbert must go'' at the moment because let�s face it, there�s no one within New Zealand who would have the ability to replace him. He has made a couple of great signings in Ifill and Greenacre and has got the best out of Leo this season. But at the end of the season if we don�t make playoffs, he must go. Simple.  

 
 
What about Australia?
 
I'm not up to date on my who's who of Aussie coaches, but isn't there someone?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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Near post - I would expect my keeper to be saving that. It was a good strike, but I'm still surprised it went in.
 
On TV3 Sports Tonight in slow mo the shot was curling away from the keeper.  As we were down the other end at an angle we couldn't see that at the game.  I think it was a good strike and very hard for the keeper to stop.
 
The other off-side one was good too!
 
 
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Frankie Mac wrote:
Bear in mind my memory is pretty sh*t and it happened over 4 hours ago.
 
Better cut down on the barmcakes and butter pies!

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Junior82 wrote:
Near post - I would expect my keeper to be saving that. It was a good strike, but I'm still surprised it went in.
 
On TV3 Sports Tonight in slow mo the shot was curling away from the keeper.  As we were down the other end at an angle we couldn't see that at the game.  I think it was a good strike and very hard for the keeper to stop.
 
The other off-side one was good too!
 
 
 
I dont think the actual goal was Pastons fault. It was fired in from the six yard down low. Hard for any keeper. The thing with Paston is that he has to organise his back four. Recently, i havent seen him talking once to his defense. He also has to be more confident and come claim crosses and corners.
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Steve-O wrote:
Tommy_Smyth wrote:

I think Herbert operates to defensively and does not have the tactical ability to change a match. He constantly changes the formation week in week out because ''we can only draw away from home.'' To succeed football teams need momentum and this is hard to achieve when players have to play a new formation every week.  However, i don�t think ''Herbert must go'' at the moment because let�s face it, there�s no one within New Zealand who would have the ability to replace him. He has made a couple of great signings in Ifill and Greenacre and has got the best out of Leo this season. But at the end of the season if we don�t make playoffs, he must go. Simple.  

 
 
What about Australia?
 
I'm not up to date on my who's who of Aussie coaches, but isn't there someone?
 
Only one recently i can think of is ex sydney and nutter John Kosmina and a big NO to that. Herberts only had 5 games this season though so dont think its really appropriate to talk about sacking him yet.
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Tommy_Smyth wrote:
Junior82 wrote:
Near post - I would expect my keeper to be saving that. It was a good strike, but I'm still surprised it went in.
 
On TV3 Sports Tonight in slow mo the shot was curling away from the keeper.  As we were down the other end at an angle we couldn't see that at the game.  I think it was a good strike and very hard for the keeper to stop.
 
The other off-side one was good too!
 
 
 
I dont think the actual goal was Pastons fault. It was fired in from the six yard down low. Hard for any keeper. The thing with Paston is that he has to organise his back four. Recently, i havent seen him talking once to his defense. He also has to be more confident and come claim crosses and corners.
 
We were talking about Ifill's goal!
 
Don't think Paston could've done too much, always annoying to lose a goal at a set piece though. Dealing with crosses hasn't exactly been our strong point this season - nearly every single goal we've lost has been from some kind of cross.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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Tommy_Smyth wrote:
Junior82 wrote:
Near post - I would expect my keeper to be saving that. It was a good strike, but I'm still surprised it went in.
 
On TV3 Sports Tonight in slow mo the shot was curling away from the keeper.  As we were down the other end at an angle we couldn't see that at the game.  I think it was a good strike and very hard for the keeper to stop.
 
The other off-side one was good too!
 
 
 
I dont think the actual goal was Pastons fault. It was fired in from the six yard down low. Hard for any keeper. The thing with Paston is that he has to organise his back four. Recently, i havent seen him talking once to his defense. He also has to be more confident and come claim crosses and corners.
 
I think Steve-O was refering to the Adeaide goalie.  But yes I think both goals were no fault of the keepers.  Their goal was a messy goal mouth scramble , ours was class!

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Steve-O wrote:
Tommy_Smyth wrote:
Junior82 wrote:
Near post - I would expect my keeper to be saving that. It was a good strike, but I'm still surprised it went in.
 
On TV3 Sports Tonight in slow mo the shot was curling away from the keeper.  As we were down the other end at an angle we couldn't see that at the game.  I think it was a good strike and very hard for the keeper to stop.
 
The other off-side one was good too!
 
 
 
I dont think the actual goal was Pastons fault. It was fired in from the six yard down low. Hard for any keeper. The thing with Paston is that he has to organise his back four. Recently, i havent seen him talking once to his defense. He also has to be more confident and come claim crosses and corners.
 
We were talking about Ifill's goal!
 
Don't think Paston could've done too much, always annoying to lose a goal at a set piece though. Dealing with crosses hasn't exactly been our strong point this season - nearly every single goal we've lost has been from some kind of cross.
 
sh*t haha..
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Junior82 wrote:
 
 
I think Steve-O was refering to the Adeaide goalie.  But yes I think both goals were no fault of the keepers.  Their goal was a messy goal mouth scramble , ours was class!
 
= moral high ground to us.
 
Moral high ground >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>3 points

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would change formation to this vs melb. 4 - 4 -2.  i dare you Ricki
 
--------------------------------paston------------------------
muscat----------siggy-----------durantee--------lochy----
 
bertos---------lia----------------mckain-----------daniel
 
-----------------Ifill-------------Greeny
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Tommy_Smyth wrote:
would change formation to this vs melb.4 - 4 -4.  i dare you Ricki
 
--------------------------------paston------------------------
muscat----------siggy-----------durantee--------lochy----
 
bertos---------lia----------------mckain-----------daniel
 
-----------------Ifill-------------Grenny
 
I don't mean to piss on your chips, but that is not a 4 - 4 - 4 formatation.  Also (whisper it) but a 4 - 4 - 4 formation is not allowed in football.

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Frankie Mac wrote:
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I don't mean to piss on your chips, but that is not a 4 - 4 - 4 formatation.  Also (whisper it) but a 4 - 4 - 4 formation is not allowed in football.
 
Curses!  And we would have got away with that if it wasn't for you pesky meddling kids!

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typo. edited.
 
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it will only be a matter of time before some people are on here claiming that Ricki should be sacked for not playing a 4 - 4 - 4 formation.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

All these formations are well and good but I dont see them refkected on the field.  Ifill for instance played wide right mid most of last nite often tracking deep and back...but is workrate got him upfront as well  We were only playing 1 striker..so either we start with Chen and Greenacre upfront and Ifill Bertos/Ceseras as attacking mid and take your pick of DMs..we have enough or we will struggle to score and win.  If we are to win 1-0s then the defense will not have to concede which hasnt happened yet so we need to be capable of scoring 2 plus per match..simple. 

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First half was good - cant really blame Ricki for the second half - it was the same team apart from the Leo sub(which I must admit was odd)...
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we started with a 4 - 3 - 3 formation this week which is way more attacking and that's what we've been asking for?!How can you be mad at that, the subs were left late due to the fact that we were playing well, bertos was quiet for the latter part and probably deserved a rest, Diego is sh*te though, but did you really want Ferrante to come on instead?

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Cant be bothered reading through uncalled for angst. We dominated the game,the tactics were fine. The second half wasnt as good as the first,but we were excellent in the first half and could hardly keep that up...and its not like we didnt still dominate,although our lack of finishing was frustrating.
 
Stop being nitpicky whingers and appreciate a good performance,even if we didnt win.

Allegedly

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The angst pretty much goes away if people just accept the A-League isn't a high standard of football.

Seriously, this is what I have done, and it makes watching it far less frustrating.

We DREW the game - that pretty much makes it an even game. If we were absolute piss, how the hell didn't we lose 5- 0?

The only way it would've been absolute piss is if we were an EPL standard team playing an A-League standard team, and only drawing. Then, it would be justified. But we are just an A-League team who drew with another - at worst, it was an average performance.
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Thankyou to those on here who talk sense, I honestly think if those with stupid angst just had a nights sleep before posting it would be a lot more peaceful. Maybe the tactics etc were a bit off but this thread is a MASSIVE over-reaction, we weren't that bad and if anything I'd be complaining about the refs and linos, some very dubious decisions over penalties and that goal which I think ultimately lead to just the 1 point.
 
I can;t wait for Caceres and Chen to get going as they could offer exactly what we need, someone to partner Greenie and a creative central midfielder.
 
                                    Paston
               
                         Dura              Sigmund
  Muscat                                                    Lochhead
 
                      Lia                     McKain
 
                                Caceres
 
       Bertos           Greenacre              Ifill
 
 
or
 
                              Paston
               
                         Dura              Sigmund
  Muscat                                                    Lochhead
 
                                McKain
 
  Ifill                             Lia                                  Bertos
 
                       Chen          Greenacre
         
 
 
                      
You know we belong together...

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This thread is ridiculous.  Some of the negativity round here is just ridiculously over the top.
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Oska wrote:
Thankyou to those on here who talk sense, I honestly think if those with stupid angst just had a nights sleep before posting it would be a lot more peaceful. Maybe the tactics�etc were a bit off but this thread is a MASSIVE over-reaction, we weren't that bad and if anything I'd be complaining about the refs and linos, some very dubious decisions over penalties and that�goal which I think ultimately lead to just the 1 point.
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I can;t wait for Caceres and Chen to get going as they could offer exactly what we need, someone to partner Greenie and a creative central midfielder.

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You dont have Daniel in there? I think he did enough last night to get a place in the starting 11...
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
aitkenmike wrote:
This thread is ridiculous.  Some of the negativity round here is just ridiculously over the top.


It's actually only about 3 or 4 people who believe that if they shout it loud enough everyone else will buy in to it.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Hard News wrote:
aitkenmike wrote:
This thread is ridiculous.  Some of the negativity round here is just ridiculously over the top.


It's actually only about 3 or 4 people who believe that if they shout it loud enough everyone else will buy in to it.


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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Frankie Mac wrote:
it will only be a matter of time before some people are on here claiming that Ricki should be sacked for not playing a 4 - 4 - 4 formation.
 
Behave yourself - it was a typo and you could clearly see he meant 4-4-2 by the fact he had all the player names in a 4-4-2 formation. Stop being a smart arse if you have nothing to add.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
theprof wrote:
we started with a 4 - 3 - 3 formation this week which is way more attacking and that's what we've been asking for?!How can you be mad at that, the subs were left late due to the fact that we were playing well, bertos was quiet for the latter part and probably deserved a rest, Diego is sh*te though, but did you really want Ferrante to come on instead?
 
You say it was a 4-3-3 but was it really? For me it was more a 4-5-1 with Greenacre completely isolated. It's all very well saying "oh yeah it's 4-3-3 and we've got attacking players out there" but without attacking tactics (or ANY tactics as seemed to be the case last week), it's pointless.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Cosimo wrote:

The angst pretty much goes away if people just accept the A-League isn't a high standard of football.

Seriously, this is what I have done, and it makes watching it far less frustrating.

We DREW the game - that pretty much makes it an even game. If we were absolute piss, how the hell didn't we lose 5- 0?

The only way it would've been absolute piss is if we were an EPL standard team playing an A-League standard team, and only drawing. Then, it would be justified. But we are just an A-League team who drew with another - at worst, it was an average performance.
 
What is frustrating, as I have said a million times now, is that I believe we CAN do much better than that! Adelaide were missing quite a few players, and I don't think we'll ever get a better chance to beat them. The way the team set up in the 2nd half suggested we were happy with the point, or at the very most to nick a goal!
 
If you think we couldn't keep up the pace of the first half (which I personally didn't think was anything particularly rip-roaring by the way), then the players aren't fit enough.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone

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