Coaching Speculation - The global search to hire Mark Rudan

Agree. Greenie is still very young for a coach, so while being caretaker of a professional team is hardly going to land you on top of the list, it shows commitment to the club, faith from management and the board and above all that you have at least some experience coaching in a pro environment.  Once he gets his badges, he'll already have more experience that many of his peers of similar age and pedigree (from their playing days).

Can't be worse than Darije Kalezic then. Should we give him a call?

Frankly, the club would be mad not to talk to Justin Langer about the job. A great player, he has now done outstanding work with Perth. Three grand final wins with a team made up of Aussie journeymen and having to deal with lots of travel. He has brought through some youngsters and the lack of a pro license is moot because he's Australian.

FWIW, finally found the name of that Aussie dude. John Buchanan, NZ Director Of Cricket in 2011. Now, back to the football... :) 

There's speculation that Popovic is the front runner to take over at Sydney FC, a job I had seen earmarked for Rudan. If that's the case, I wonder if it might come down to a toss up between Vid and Rudan for the Nix job. Vid sounds high strung and volatile. Rudan, not so much. Who do you guys think might be a better fit? 

I would think that if Poppa wanted the Syd FC gig, he'd get it ahead of Rudan.  

However, I struggle to see where the  "toss up between Vid and Rudan for the Nix job" would come from.  While I agree Rudan should not be discounted, I have not seen or heard anything from WelNix that he was even in the mix; while we heard enough about Vidmar being a possibility.

Last time round when asked about Rudan didn't Morrison reply with a who?

FWIW, anyone close to the club heard Rob Sherman mentioned as a serious contender (his name cropped up in a newspaper story on the possible short list of likely candidates), or is it still mainly Vidmar being talked about as front-runner? 

Something else is whether or not any of those coaches would actually want to take on the role.

I mean, going from missing out on the SFC job to taking over a shambolic, notoriously broke club (not saying we're going under, just that our budget is risible compared to the big boys) would be a bit of anticlimax.

Isn't he a cricketer?

As suspected:

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/domestic/10...

Seems the discussions earlier in the week prompted a bit of digging! 

Well I hear there is at least one coach in the Handy Prem that actually has the UEFA Pro License. Maybe we can hire them instead? 

Well Voerman does lurk in these forums, even posts occasionally! Poor guy. 

What a quagmire. Raises so many questions. Was he taken for a ride by the acadef mob or did he think it was a quick track to qualification? Surely Roar didn't come through because he wasn't qualified. 

Regardless, it's a real shame.

I hate writing this because it doesn't mean much, but current theory is that Ramon is the least qualified coach in the Handy Prem.

this is the thing about qualifications, they are good, but in the current system if Alex Ferguson decided to come out of retirement and coach NZ or the Phoenix (I know it's complete fantasy) he wouldn't be able to as he doesn't hold a UEFA Pro Licence! (He was given a FA diploma when they introduced the requirement for Pro licences in the premier league)

I think the most qualified coach in NZ is Bob Sova, and he's not exactly been successful when he's been in charge a National League teams

Well well well - that makes some of the "facts" thrown about in the earlier thread about this look rather silly now doesn't it.

Really sad for the guy though - seems more like he's been given some very bad advice than tried to pull a swifty. He's almost been forced to double down on the acadef pathway though once he started it otherwise he ends up back a square one - which sadly might well be what happens now if he can't find a way to get those quals recognised by either the Spanish or NZ FA.

At least NZF can control what the bar is. Unforunately the Phoenix can't.

Maybe the Spanish qualifications could be renamed the "Viagogo" qualifications?

Maybe. The way I read things when looking into it myself the other day is that the Spanish FA do not recognise the acadef quals. However, are forced through some legal action to allow people within Spain to coach using those private quals. 

My layman's understanding is that the fact they aren't recognised by the Spanish FA is precisely why UEFA (and therefore other confeds) don't consider them "legit". Seems unlikely they'd let people onto their courses with a private qual they seem to be the ones against. If that changed then what you have said would seem right but I'm guessing it's not going to be a speedy (or guaranteed) battle - and looks to have been going on for some time already. 

I'd hazard promises about the recognition were made to students like Ramon some time ago that have never quite come true.

qualifications don't guarantee results...

Not silly at all... Dispensation for current qual with a caveat to sitting the next round of Pro license courses. Only point is should he need to take time off during season to sit. Come down to if the Nix are willing to take the chance or go for a straight forward appointment with the Licence already.

Maybe Des and Remon Co-Coach with Des watching from home would be an easier answer... 

no but they do guarantee you have achieved a certain level of understanding of the game. How you apply that is another question. Clearly the speculation about Ramon was baseless.

Feels like you haven't read the linked article. He can't even start on his pro as he doesn't even have A yet. He is a long way from having the required quals and as such zero chance at dispensation.

and surely we dont want to go down the co-coach road again?

I have know people that have the highest qualifications in football and I would not let them near an under 12 team.

Wow. Thanks for posting. 

Just had a look and the UEFA equivalent A-licence is 20 days. The next available course in NZ is the second part of the A-Licence and that starts in September and goes for 8 days. Basically that says to me that unless he can get it done outside of the NZF dates, he'll have to take time off from ACFC during the season to complete it (keeping in mind he hasn't done the first part), which I doubt the club will be very receptive to. 

To make matters worse, the UEFA Pro-licence is done over 18months and takes 30 days (not to mention the price circa $20k NZ). So basically there's no feasible way that Ramon can be a Nix manager in the next two years.

Roar job didn't happen, because Brisbane choose John Aloisi (an Aussie coach with previous A League experience, and very high profile) ahead of him. Ramon got an interview but missed out. Ramon would be barely known in Australia, even with his club world cup deeds.

Ramon Ramon for a coach who is supposedly meticulous in his preparation he has slipped up here, he has had plenty of time to get the right qualification if he wants to prove himself at a higher level.I think he likes collecting the big big dollars at AK City with no real pressure and being able to spend time back home in Spain.The pressure is on him to prove himself at another club even in this country, i don't think he could it do because he needs money to buy the best players. Ramon Ramon stop the bull and get the right qualification and prove to people that you really want to take the next step.

I think you'll be surprised, Ramon has been consulted by the clubs in the past and has acted as a scout for a number of them / a consultant for spanish players. A lot of Australian podcasts who are either anti nix or are ambivalent to the club and nz football have been calling for Ramon to be the next nix coach since before Kalezic was signed.

Okay wasn't aware of his 'consultancy' type work in Oz. Still compared to Aloisi (cult hero for winning pen in shoot out verus Uruguay 2005), he would have zero profile, with joe average Australian football/sports fan.

Of course he maybe a better coach, but A League clubs are keen to have high profile figures if they can, to stimulate interest in highly competitive Aussie sports market.

Anyway it'a bit moot - Ramon doesn't have required quals.

Can't believe he chose to give these answers to Stuff, not to Yellow Fever Forums.

This! 

I wonder if he ever takes time out to even read the comments on Stuff. There's some really stupid people posting a lot of nonsense on there...

Maybe Dunga for the Nixs?

https://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/article/2018/03/09/exclusive-two-time-brazil-coach-dunga-targets-league-job

Vidmar not interested according to Piney

Step on up Rudan.