Coaching Speculation - The global search to hire Mark Rudan

The search field has suddenly got wider then!

Who knows, maybe Vidmar is going for the Sydney FC job and thinks taking on Nix as well may be a bit of an overcommitment

It feels a bit like the girl who fell off and got got hit by every branch on the ugly tree on the way down telling you that you are not good enough for her

A summary of what were considered the four main "contenders" circa 10 days ago:

• Ramon - isn't qualified
• Popovic - Out of our price range most likely, would probably prefer Sydney
• Rudan - Probably holding out for the Sydney gig
• Vidmar - Just plain doesn't want the job

WhO NOw PeOpLE?!?!?!?!

Why settle for a half-crazy dude. Let's go for full retard and call Miron Bleiberg.

Greenies a really nice bloke, I'm sure if FFA/FIFA meet him they'll let him manage on his A License

Piney has tweeted that Vidmar is nit interested. Cross him off the list.

Question is now who wants the Gig.  Just have pro licence and be a masochist. 

Abosolutely -  there's plenty of remote work to be done, but you need to have practical hours.

Ramon -  can't work out why he doesn't attempt to get qualified

Rudan - yes will hold our for Sydney job, but far from a certainty without any A league head coach form.

Vidmar - out of the frame now.

Popovic - won't get Sydney if you believe what's being thrown around over there. Will have to be in our price range.

We're forgetting Rob Sherman whose name popped up a few days back as a serious candidate. I suspect his odds of getting the job just improved if Vidmar has really pulled out of contention. He certainly ticks a lot of boxes. 

http://robshermanfootballconsultant.com/Rob_Sherma...

Seems like he's more of a football director than a coach based on that profile.

This is what Piney wrote in a story on 8th in which he updated possible contenders:

Rob Sherman

New Zealand Football's former High Performance Manager has emerged as a candidate having made the shortlist for the All Whites job gained recently by Fritz Schmid.

He played professionally for Cardiff City, Swansea City and Hull City before taking up roles with the Welsh FA and then moving to New Zealand.

He was key in setting up the Asia Pacific Football Academy in Christchurch which relocated to the capital and became the Wellington Phoenix Academy.

Highly respected by players and coaches, he has facilitated Pro License coach education in Australia and has developed a deep understanding of the A-League and it's machinations.

Sherman holds the prestigious UEFA Pro License and is reportedly keen to re-enter club coaching.

Maybe we need one of those as well as a head coach. Note that Piney's write up said Sherman is keen to get back to club coaching. 

Of all the names put forward, the Shermanator seems the most likely. Seems to have a lot of football knowledge and a well liked, respected guy.

He could also be the safest pick. Not that safest should be the main criteria, but we can't afford another season like this one. At least we'd know what we were getting. He already knows the club and a lot of the players, understands the A-League, and has strong ties to NZF. What's not to like? 

BTW, nufc, anything you can add to what Piney wrote about him? 

Love it. I assume the Eastern Suburbs respondant is Billy Harris?

so kiwi players want ramon as a coach of a team they aren't in? So what? totally irrelevant comparisons. Artists and musicians dont have a league setting rules like the FFA.

Oh no, I don't know him from a bar of soap! I agree with what you're saying though. We need a coach who knows NZ/AUS and the A-League. Dunga says he's interested in coming to Aus but that's the worst thing we can do right now. We simply don't have time for the new coach to take a season to learn the league.

Might need to change the name of this thread to '...the global search to hire someone other than Aurelio Vidmar who we were really, really keen on'. :)

Greenie will have them sorted for next week. He can prove he's up to it with a good run.

He doesn't have the qualifications though. FFA require it not the nix.

Think it doesn't matter who is coach with this squad, just quietly.

Agreed. Luckily almost all of them don't have a contract after this season.

Another silly rule/stipulation that the FFA have set. Surely a club can decide who they wish to appoint as coach - shouldnt matter if they have a piece of paper saying they are qualified.  There is a simple way around it,  appoint someone with the right piece of paper and appoint whoever we wish as their assistant - although the appointed coach is just a puppet to the assistant

Not sure I would agree with all of that.  The point is that very early on FFA decided to establish a minimum coaching qualification so that all clubs would be coached at certain comparable level.  This was to bring a minimum standard and in theory is very commendable. Therefore, one club saying "but we do not agree" should not be able get exempted because Ramon is already a good coach.

I am however 100% with you on the question what the minimum level should be.  You could argue that guys like Ramon (or many others mentioned here) are a real proof you do not need a top UEFA Pro diploma to be a very decent coach.  Also, it is a joke to say that coaches who qualified in Australia do not have to do a UEFA Pro. It appears a local diploma is fine, but if you're an English coach then oh no, an UK equivalent to Aussie diploma is not enough? That is a closed-shop joke.

Probably the rule is to protect Aussie coaches. If youre going to hire someone from outside Australia then the bar is high. We're seeing its effectiveness now, likely to hire an Aussie coach now and not a foreigner with equal or lesser qualifications.

Since the best coach in the Handy isn't qualified, maybe we need to look at the second best?

Does anyone know what quals Jose Figueira has?

Transfer Market says A licence

https://www.transfermarkt.com/jose-figueira/profil...

OFC A - which I doubt UEFA would recognise as equalivent as UEFA A. 

Brett Angell has UEFA A ?

Angell would be an angel compared to Marco Kurz

Whether it's silly, or not, it is what it is. Ramon isn't qualified. End of. Whether he knew that his qualification wasn't recognised outside Spain or not, whether he was badly advised, I don't know and I don't care. I do think that, had I been in that position, I would have investigated how my qualifications stack up internationally and how that would affect my job prospects outside Spain and my ability to gain further qualifications. But that's just me. He's a great Coach, no doubt about it, but some of this whole saga just doesn't sit right with me.

By the way, the FFA aren't the only competition to set requirements for coaching. Even Auckland Football have minimum qualifications to coach at Northern League level, and even in certain Youth Leagues, so the situation is hardly unique.

So a Club which is playing in a Competition which, as far as I know, has a requirement for Coaches to have obtained certain qualifications to coach in it, is complaining about another competition having a minimum requirement for Coaches to have obtained certain qualifications to coach in it. Okay then.

Out of interest, what badges does Declan have?

Declan currently holds the New Zealand International Team Coaching Licence, New Zealand and Australian Football Federation “C Licenses” and is on track to earning the Oceania “A Licence.”

In most industries employers are looking for education or equivalent experience, only a few require education and that's usually because of licensing requirements. If a surgeon applied for a job at the local hospital with ten years pratical experience but no formal education then questions are going to be asked.

So, it seems odd that football has these requirements. It's been said that the FFA has the ability to grant dispensation, I wonder what criterea is considered? The fact that Ramon got quite far in the interview process in a few different jobs shows that at least other teams didn't think it would be much of a problem.