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Coaching Speculation - The global search to hire Mark Rudan

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almost 8 years ago

scribbler wrote:

I have to say, out of every season since the Nix were created, this is probably the best one to share a coach with the NT, since the A-League will finally break for international windows.

As far as Schmid goes - I wasn't over the moon when he signed for the AWs, but I've only watched one game so far, so presumably if he can coach the AWs he can coach the Nix too.

I wonder if Nix management have talked to any of their AWs who were part of the squad that played Canada to get some feedback on Schmid?

Or was it Spain? Anyway, I can see why they are awaiting a FIFA take-over, meaning we would exist long term and could employ a coach/manager for 3 years.

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almost 8 years ago

Lonegunmen wrote:

scribbler wrote:

I have to say, out of every season since the Nix were created, this is probably the best one to share a coach with the NT, since the A-League will finally break for international windows.

As far as Schmid goes - I wasn't over the moon when he signed for the AWs, but I've only watched one game so far, so presumably if he can coach the AWs he can coach the Nix too.

I wonder if Nix management have talked to any of their AWs who were part of the squad that played Canada to get some feedback on Schmid?

Or was it Spain? Anyway, I can see why they are awaiting a FIFA take-over, meaning we would exist long term and could employ a coach/manager for 3 years.

We played Canada. In Spain. I think a FIFA takeover of FFA and an independent A-League would be the best possible option for the club. Hopefully it all happens before our current license expires and FFA's current bunch of muppets turf us out. 

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almost 8 years ago

Reckon it won't happen; FIFA are always a lot of talk and a lot of bluster but not much action.

a.haak

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almost 8 years ago

Jesus this is all such a mess. Our situation, the ffa, everything is a shambles at the moment

Annual finals disappointment enthusiast.

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almost 8 years ago

All this shambles for a friggen toilet seat! You couldn't make it up.

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almost 8 years ago

I think we've had to change our minds after last weekend. Schmid looks a good solution worked thru the right way.

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almost 8 years ago

It can't be true though because the story is sourced from Tony Rallis who has never been close to the truth with any of his scoops. He is also Schmidt's agent and by making up this story it will force the Nix to suddenly sign his client up to the coaches job. How can you bozos not see this????

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almost 8 years ago

It can't be true though because the story is sourced from Tony Rallis who has never been close to the truth with any of his scoops. He is also Schmidt's agent and by making up this story it will force the Nix to suddenly sign his client up to the coaches job. How can you bozos not see this????

Very good points NP. 


Allegedly

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almost 8 years ago

Tegal wrote:

It can't be true though because the story is sourced from Tony Rallis who has never been close to the truth with any of his scoops. He is also Schmidt's agent and by making up this story it will force the Nix to suddenly sign his client up to the coaches job. How can you bozos not see this????

Very good points NP. 

But is Rallis actually his agent?  I am not saying he isn't - I simply do not know.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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almost 8 years ago · edited almost 8 years ago · History

coochiee wrote:

Yakcall wrote:

So this is interesting from Tony Rallis... http://www.goal.com/en-au/news/the-covert-agent-we...

I hope this is a bad rumour, and that NZF wouldn't agree to Schmid doing both jobs.

One of reasons why the AWs were far more organised at very least off the pitch under Hudson, post Ricki - was Uncle Anthony just had the national sides (involved with U23/20's as well) to focus on. 

Sure maybe the AWs won't play much the next 2 years - but to my mind it's just too big a job, juggling all those hats.

Could maybe work (big maybe), if Schmid assumed more like a director of football role at the Nix, and then bought in say likes Greenacre/Figueira/Buckingham, to do the day to day coaching.

It would certainly be a big plus, to have closer relationship between Nix & NZF. Help with the new 'Kiwis first' policy?

I assume Schmid has a pro licence? So he is appointed coach - and Greenacre/Figueira/Buckingham, go about getting their pro licences in next 2 years?

Actually with bit more reflection it could work okay. Esp true if Confederations Cup is turfed by FIFA as seems likely. That could mean that OFC Nations is also canned, or as a minimum assumes far lesser importance for AWs. It meant more to secure that Confeds Cup spot than to run around boasting we were champions of Oceania! Euros it ain’t.

Anyway basically Schmid may not have any serious games for AWs (first round OFC World Cup qualifiers), until latter part of 2020, or even early 2021 - if the OFC Nations Cup is canned. Not saying that’s a good thing, but creates an opportunity to coach Nix also on say a 2 year deal - with possible benefits to NZF as well. Share wage costs, possibly more Kiwis signed for Nix, keep Schmid’s coaching mind sharpened day to day etc 

Maybe Schmid is looking also his NZF desk, at his mate Heraf now juggling 2 roles, thinking I can do that.

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Isnt Domey on record saying that they are looking at one with a league exp? Surely that counts out schmidty

I have an amazing ability to find my way out of mazes. I'm pathological. 
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almost 8 years ago

He said A-League experience or advanced knowledge of the A-League.

The reason I doubt the Covert Agent is that just yesterday Dome was still saying that there are two people in the short list and that things are at an advanced stage.

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almost 8 years ago

kwlap wrote:

Isnt Domey on record saying that they are looking at one with a league exp? Surely that counts out schmidty

he said this in his interview on Radio Sport yesterday

Preference for A-League experience but there is some that are outside the A-League as well that they are looking at.

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almost 8 years ago

The Shortlist so far

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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almost 8 years ago

kwlap wrote:

Isnt Domey on record saying that they are looking at one with a league exp? Surely that counts out schmidty

he said this in his interview on Radio Sport yesterday

Preference for A-League experience but there is some that are outside the A-League as well that they are looking at.

That covers a lot of bases on a 'shortlist of two'.

Didn't hear interview, but sounds a lot like JPDM, was on the 'shortlist of dos'. 

Then after the weekend, that plan has exploded, and been put through the office shredder. Back almost to square one. They really can't win a trick at moment.

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almost 8 years ago

Interesting that Rallis weighs in on this? Is he an agent for JPDM or Foxe? If so, then that presser makes sense.

JPDM/FOXE: So you are off in a different direction with this Fritz guy? Thought you wanted me?

Nix: No we want you. No idea what that other story was about

JPDM/FOXE: Well if you want me, prove it. Price has gone up.

I'm sure you can figure the rest out.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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almost 8 years ago

Rallis isn't always wrong. Called Darije getting sacked etc. Depends how close he is to those mentioned.

a.haak

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almost 8 years ago

Yakcall wrote:

The Wellington Phoenix are open to hiring a coach from within the All Whites setup with Fritz Schmid and Des Buckingham looming as possible candidates to fill the vacant role.

Phoenix general manager David Dome refused to comment on specific candidates but did not rule out hiring a coach from within the national setup.

The Phoenix have already strengthened their ties with New Zealand Football, with Greenacre appointed under-20 assistant and Paul Temple under-17 assistant.

"We are certainly open to the head All Whites coach being with the Phoenix in a joint role but it would have to be a consulted process," Dome said.

"It is our strong desire that the new head coach of the Wellington Phoenix has a good understanding of Australian and New Zealand football, and ideally A-League football.

"I think with the right person and the right setup a head coach of both organisations could work but again it would need to be a well though out plan, who was going to pay for what."

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/a-league/10...

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I'm positive things will go wrong.
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almost 8 years ago

Called Bucks weeks ago

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almost 8 years ago

one_eyed_nik wrote:

Called Bucks weeks ago

Supporters of the fairer sex will be happy.

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almost 8 years ago

Yakcall wrote:

Yakcall wrote:

The Wellington Phoenix are open to hiring a coach from within the All Whites setup with Fritz Schmid and Des Buckingham looming as possible candidates to fill the vacant role.

Phoenix general manager David Dome refused to comment on specific candidates but did not rule out hiring a coach from within the national setup.

The Phoenix have already strengthened their ties with New Zealand Football, with Greenacre appointed under-20 assistant and Paul Temple under-17 assistant.

"We are certainly open to the head All Whites coach being with the Phoenix in a joint role but it would have to be a consulted process," Dome said.

"It is our strong desire that the new head coach of the Wellington Phoenix has a good understanding of Australian and New Zealand football, and ideally A-League football.

"I think with the right person and the right setup a head coach of both organisations could work but again it would need to be a well though out plan, who was going to pay for what."

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/a-league/10...

My reading of that is that Dome is talking about either Schmid or Buckingham getting the top job. Wouldn't Schmid at head coach, with Bucks as his assistant make more sense? Best of both worlds, and could work really well if the Nix and NZF can get the fine print sorted out. A strong alliance between those organisations would be great, and should have happened years ago.
One thing though, re Schmid: when Rob Sherman was being touted for the head coach job (by me, amongst others), some on here felt his lack of recent week in, week out club coaching experience was his biggest weakness. Wouldn't the same criticism apply to Schmid? 

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almost 8 years ago

scribbler wrote:

Yakcall wrote:

Yakcall wrote:

The Wellington Phoenix are open to hiring a coach from within the All Whites setup with Fritz Schmid and Des Buckingham looming as possible candidates to fill the vacant role.

Phoenix general manager David Dome refused to comment on specific candidates but did not rule out hiring a coach from within the national setup.

The Phoenix have already strengthened their ties with New Zealand Football, with Greenacre appointed under-20 assistant and Paul Temple under-17 assistant.

"We are certainly open to the head All Whites coach being with the Phoenix in a joint role but it would have to be a consulted process," Dome said.

"It is our strong desire that the new head coach of the Wellington Phoenix has a good understanding of Australian and New Zealand football, and ideally A-League football.

"I think with the right person and the right setup a head coach of both organisations could work but again it would need to be a well though out plan, who was going to pay for what."

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/a-league/10...

My reading of that is that Dome is talking about either Schmid or Buckingham getting the top job. Wouldn't Schmid at head coach, with Bucks as his assistant make more sense? Best of both worlds, and could work really well if the Nix and NZF can get the fine print sorted out. A strong alliance between those organisations would be great, and should have happened years ago.
One thing though, re Schmid: when Rob Sherman was being touted for the head coach job (by me, amongst others), some on here felt his lack of recent week in, week out club coaching experience was his biggest weakness. Wouldn't the same criticism apply to Schmid? 

Other option would be to have Schmid as DoF and Buckingham having the more coaching/manager role

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I'm positive things will go wrong.
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almost 8 years ago

Yakcall wrote:

scribbler wrote:

Yakcall wrote:

Yakcall wrote:

The Wellington Phoenix are open to hiring a coach from within the All Whites setup with Fritz Schmid and Des Buckingham looming as possible candidates to fill the vacant role.

Phoenix general manager David Dome refused to comment on specific candidates but did not rule out hiring a coach from within the national setup.

The Phoenix have already strengthened their ties with New Zealand Football, with Greenacre appointed under-20 assistant and Paul Temple under-17 assistant.

"We are certainly open to the head All Whites coach being with the Phoenix in a joint role but it would have to be a consulted process," Dome said.

"It is our strong desire that the new head coach of the Wellington Phoenix has a good understanding of Australian and New Zealand football, and ideally A-League football.

"I think with the right person and the right setup a head coach of both organisations could work but again it would need to be a well though out plan, who was going to pay for what."

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/a-league/10...

My reading of that is that Dome is talking about either Schmid or Buckingham getting the top job. Wouldn't Schmid at head coach, with Bucks as his assistant make more sense? Best of both worlds, and could work really well if the Nix and NZF can get the fine print sorted out. A strong alliance between those organisations would be great, and should have happened years ago.
One thing though, re Schmid: when Rob Sherman was being touted for the head coach job (by me, amongst others), some on here felt his lack of recent week in, week out club coaching experience was his biggest weakness. Wouldn't the same criticism apply to Schmid? 

Other option would be to have Schmid as DoF and Buckingham having the more coaching/manager role

That could work. What about Buck's assistant if he got the head coach job? Greenie doesn't have the right coaching badges. Anyone else locally who might fit the bill? 

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almost 8 years ago

scribbler wrote:

Yakcall wrote:

scribbler wrote:

Yakcall wrote:

Yakcall wrote:

The Wellington Phoenix are open to hiring a coach from within the All Whites setup with Fritz Schmid and Des Buckingham looming as possible candidates to fill the vacant role.

Phoenix general manager David Dome refused to comment on specific candidates but did not rule out hiring a coach from within the national setup.

The Phoenix have already strengthened their ties with New Zealand Football, with Greenacre appointed under-20 assistant and Paul Temple under-17 assistant.

"We are certainly open to the head All Whites coach being with the Phoenix in a joint role but it would have to be a consulted process," Dome said.

"It is our strong desire that the new head coach of the Wellington Phoenix has a good understanding of Australian and New Zealand football, and ideally A-League football.

"I think with the right person and the right setup a head coach of both organisations could work but again it would need to be a well though out plan, who was going to pay for what."

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/a-league/10...

My reading of that is that Dome is talking about either Schmid or Buckingham getting the top job. Wouldn't Schmid at head coach, with Bucks as his assistant make more sense? Best of both worlds, and could work really well if the Nix and NZF can get the fine print sorted out. A strong alliance between those organisations would be great, and should have happened years ago.
One thing though, re Schmid: when Rob Sherman was being touted for the head coach job (by me, amongst others), some on here felt his lack of recent week in, week out club coaching experience was his biggest weakness. Wouldn't the same criticism apply to Schmid? 

Other option would be to have Schmid as DoF and Buckingham having the more coaching/manager role

That could work. What about Buck's assistant if he got the head coach job? Greenie doesn't have the right coaching badges. Anyone else locally who might fit the bill? 

Still need someone to take some of the players when the coaches are off on national team duty. 
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almost 8 years ago

Bullion wrote:

scribbler wrote:

Yakcall wrote:

scribbler wrote:

Yakcall wrote:

Yakcall wrote:

The Wellington Phoenix are open to hiring a coach from within the All Whites setup with Fritz Schmid and Des Buckingham looming as possible candidates to fill the vacant role.

Phoenix general manager David Dome refused to comment on specific candidates but did not rule out hiring a coach from within the national setup.

The Phoenix have already strengthened their ties with New Zealand Football, with Greenacre appointed under-20 assistant and Paul Temple under-17 assistant.

"We are certainly open to the head All Whites coach being with the Phoenix in a joint role but it would have to be a consulted process," Dome said.

"It is our strong desire that the new head coach of the Wellington Phoenix has a good understanding of Australian and New Zealand football, and ideally A-League football.

"I think with the right person and the right setup a head coach of both organisations could work but again it would need to be a well though out plan, who was going to pay for what."

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/a-league/10...

My reading of that is that Dome is talking about either Schmid or Buckingham getting the top job. Wouldn't Schmid at head coach, with Bucks as his assistant make more sense? Best of both worlds, and could work really well if the Nix and NZF can get the fine print sorted out. A strong alliance between those organisations would be great, and should have happened years ago.
One thing though, re Schmid: when Rob Sherman was being touted for the head coach job (by me, amongst others), some on here felt his lack of recent week in, week out club coaching experience was his biggest weakness. Wouldn't the same criticism apply to Schmid? 

Other option would be to have Schmid as DoF and Buckingham having the more coaching/manager role

That could work. What about Buck's assistant if he got the head coach job? Greenie doesn't have the right coaching badges. Anyone else locally who might fit the bill? 

Still need someone to take some of the players when the coaches are off on national team duty. 

The Nix would still have a goalkeeping coach. Wouldn't you expect that individual to be good enough to step in as a 'coach/minder during an international window?

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almost 8 years ago

I don't think the current climate is right for the club to be hiring a DOF and a Head Coach, its an unnecessary luxury until their status in the league is confirmed. I would totally understand if they employed someone as a stop gap measure until it was sorted. Why throw good money after bad? Now that Morrison has come out and told us exactly what their situation and thinking is, I also don't mind if they don't spend a lot of money on imports and players. If it means consolidating and saving money for a year until the club has its long term future in the A League confirmed - I'm prepared to put up with another mediocre year on the pitch. Big picture...... If and when we get the nod from the new A League - I expect the club to spend zillions on players and coaches and win us the fudgeing championship......

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almost 8 years ago

Understand what your thinking NP but can we really afford another season like the last couple and still expect to keep our place. You would hope that Morrison has been able to get some sort of promise from other owners they will support our staying as its not looking good if the some of those dick heads are to be believed.


GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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almost 8 years ago

Sorry this is a terrible idea

Normo's coming home

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almost 8 years ago

Seriously 12 months ago we assembled a squad specifically to avoid having NZ ers.  Now we're going the opposite and trying to buddy up with the National Side?  Yes, I know the A-League has introduced international breaks but come one, how can we possibly succeed when our strategy changes year on year like this

Normo's coming home

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almost 8 years ago

ballane wrote:

Understand what your thinking NP but can we really afford another season like the last couple and still expect to keep our place. You would hope that Morrison has been able to get some sort of promise from other owners they will support our staying as its not looking good if the some of those dick heads are to be believed.

I haven't been aware of other club owners making noises about throwing us out [but haven't been following closely enough to know if they have]. My feeling has been that Morrison and the other owners have been working hard to wrestle control off the FFA and having independent governance of the A League - presumably something like the EPL model where the actual clubs have a big say in the run of the show. These guys won't have the same reasoning as the FFA is getting rid of the Nix, their bottom line is likely to be profitability and as long as they are not losing money because of the Nix, they have no reason not to support us. It makes it very hard to get rid of us if we are part of the A League governance group and playing an effective role. I think part of the A League owners gripe is that the current set up doesn't give them the opportunity to make any money with the model having FFA siphoning off any chance of that happening. 
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almost 8 years ago

james dean wrote:

Seriously 12 months ago we assembled a squad specifically to avoid having NZ ers.  Now we're going the opposite and trying to buddy up with the National Side?  Yes, I know the A-League has introduced international breaks but come one, how can we possibly succeed when our strategy changes year on year like this

How would the different 'strategy' affect on field performance?
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ballane wrote:

Understand what your thinking NP but can we really afford another season like the last couple and still expect to keep our place. You would hope that Morrison has been able to get some sort of promise from other owners they will support our staying as its not looking good if the some of those dick heads are to be believed.

I haven't been aware of other club owners making noises about throwing us out [but haven't been following closely enough to know if they have]. My feeling has been that Morrison and the other owners have been working hard to wrestle control off the FFA and having independent governance of the A League - presumably something like the EPL model where the actual clubs have a big say in the run of the show. These guys won't have the same reasoning as the FFA is getting rid of the Nix, their bottom line is likely to be profitability and as long as they are not losing money because of the Nix, they have no reason not to support us. It makes it very hard to get rid of us if we are part of the A League governance group and playing an effective role. I think part of the A League owners gripe is that the current set up doesn't give them the opportunity to make any money with the model having FFA siphoning off any chance of that happening. 

I may have missed something, but yes generally the other current A League club owners seem supportive of the Nix. It’s the new expansion applicants who are seeking to undermine.

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almost 8 years ago

Bullion wrote:

james dean wrote:

Seriously 12 months ago we assembled a squad specifically to avoid having NZ ers.  Now we're going the opposite and trying to buddy up with the National Side?  Yes, I know the A-League has introduced international breaks but come one, how can we possibly succeed when our strategy changes year on year like this

How would the different 'strategy' affect on field performance?

Completely different type of squad!  I don't know how we would do with a team with more NZers in it, but I find it bizarre that one year we are avoiding signing NZers then the next year we are considering sharing a coach with the national team.  It's all over the place

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I don't think the current climate is right for the club to be hiring a DOF and a Head Coach, its an unnecessary luxury until their status in the league is confirmed. I would totally understand if they employed someone as a stop gap measure until it was sorted. Why throw good money after bad? Now that Morrison has come out and told us exactly what their situation and thinking is, I also don't mind if they don't spend a lot of money on imports and players. If it means consolidating and saving money for a year until the club has its long term future in the A League confirmed - I'm prepared to put up with another mediocre year on the pitch. Big picture...... If and when we get the nod from the new A League - I expect the club to spend zillions on players and coaches and win us the fudgeing championship......

But as Dome mentions wages would probably be split Nix and NZF. I have concerns for AWs re Schmid doing two jobs, but happy that both organisations are communicating like grown ups, and seeking to work together. That’s only good news. Perhaps the fact A League will now observe FIFA windows, has put both parties in a good/conciliatory mood. Was good news alround. 

Wasn’t some of the previous bad blood due to Weemac flying back cattle class from an AWs game, and not being in great physical shape for following Nix game? Some story like that.

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almost 8 years ago

Again i get all that NP but im not convinced even if the owners succeed taking over that we would be able to survive another season like the last couple. Yes you will get us tragics still attending but that would be about all. Dont think im alone in saying it has been bloody hard staying motivated the last couple of seasson.( if it wasnt for may attendance record i dont think i would have dragged myself to some games)

I really dont think we can afford another season like the last couple as i fear for what the support levels may be at should that happen.


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almost 8 years ago

james dean wrote:

Seriously 12 months ago we assembled a squad specifically to avoid having NZ ers.  Now we're going the opposite and trying to buddy up with the National Side?  Yes, I know the A-League has introduced international breaks but come one, how can we possibly succeed when our strategy changes year on year like this

The previous strategy was purely a result of the league not observing the international breaks. It's pretty obvious that when the league changes that policy the Nix will consequently change the strategy, it would be crazy not to.

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almost 8 years ago

james dean wrote:

Seriously 12 months ago we assembled a squad specifically to avoid having NZ ers.  Now we're going the opposite and trying to buddy up with the National Side?  Yes, I know the A-League has introduced international breaks but come one, how can we possibly succeed when our strategy changes year on year like this

These are desperates times for the club - renewed FFA pressure, expansion clubs working to undermine us, etc - and we can't stick with yesterday's strategy if it's not working for us. And a move to 'buddy up with the national side' could be a huge boost for NZ football in general, with no down side that I can see.

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almost 8 years ago

Think most Nix fans would like to see more Kiwis in the team. 

Should also help bring a few more through the gate - even if just their families and mates! Of course winning more than losing, is the bigger deal.

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almost 8 years ago

james dean wrote:

Seriously 12 months ago we assembled a squad specifically to avoid having NZ ers.  Now we're going the opposite and trying to buddy up with the National Side?  Yes, I know the A-League has introduced international breaks but come one, how can we possibly succeed when our strategy changes year on year like this

I would like to think that it's because they have realised that the original idea of avoiding New Zealanders was a TERRIBLE one and have shifted permanently closer to looking to promote New Zealanders (where possible) is the better direction for the club.  Hopefully it won't be shifting year to year.

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almost 8 years ago

james dean wrote:

Bullion wrote:

james dean wrote:

Seriously 12 months ago we assembled a squad specifically to avoid having NZ ers.  Now we're going the opposite and trying to buddy up with the National Side?  Yes, I know the A-League has introduced international breaks but come one, how can we possibly succeed when our strategy changes year on year like this

How would the different 'strategy' affect on field performance?

Completely different type of squad!  I don't know how we would do with a team with more NZers in it, but I find it bizarre that one year we are avoiding signing NZers then the next year we are considering sharing a coach with the national team.  It's all over the place

Teams in the HAL turnover a lot players each season. If allowing ourselves to sign more NZers, without risk of unavailability due to international breaks, means we have a better squad; great! If in reality we don't sign more NZers because it didn't improve our squad, so be it. 

We still have to have at least 20 players and a coach with a pro licence - other HAL clubs are in a similar situation; coachless and with more than half a squad to sign.

The type of squad comes down to the coach.

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