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Darije Kalezić: We hardly knew ye.

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about 8 years ago

Lonegunmen wrote:

chopah wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

And here I am, looking at bringing my 6 year old to the game on Saturday, how do I explain this to him? beware, kids are smarter than they let on sometimes.

It's a life lesson - in life when you are at work there is a boss, you do things the bosses way or you leave.  Hopefully the boss can sell you a vision so you just buy into his way but if you don't then you either do it anyway or your gone.

If he wants to come along I will bring him. He hates loud noise but with the stadium being half empty (Or is that half full?) he should be ok.

the club would be rapt if the Stadium was half full ( or even half empty)
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about 8 years ago

sthn.jeff wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

chopah wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

And here I am, looking at bringing my 6 year old to the game on Saturday, how do I explain this to him? beware, kids are smarter than they let on sometimes.

It's a life lesson - in life when you are at work there is a boss, you do things the bosses way or you leave.  Hopefully the boss can sell you a vision so you just buy into his way but if you don't then you either do it anyway or your gone.

If he wants to come along I will bring him. 

He hates loud noise but with the stadium being half empty (Or is that half full?) he should be ok.

the club would be rapt if the Stadium was half full ( or even half empty)

Wait, what, are we finally getting that small boutique dedicated stadium built?

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 8 years ago

I think I provided a number of examples where what you said is untrue - move on.

But not that it's untrue for the Nix. Do you honestly think the Nix can be self-sustaining and long-term viable if we continue to be terrible on the pitch? Look at our crowd numbers. Look at the decline in our crowds at travelling circus games over the last couple of years. How attractive do we look to sponsors? Where does our revenue come from? Will the FFA want to keep us in if no one is watching us? The NFL and NBA make enough money from TV deals and league sponsorship that crap teams don't need extra revenue. That is not true in the A League.

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Wow, compelling argument

You can only have an argument when both people participate, arguing with you any further is a pointless exercise.
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about 8 years ago

I think I provided a number of examples where what you said is untrue - move on.

But not that it's untrue for the Nix. Do you honestly think the Nix can be self-sustaining and long-term viable if we continue to be terrible on the pitch? Look at our crowd numbers. Look at the decline in our crowds at travelling circus games over the last couple of years. How attractive do we look to sponsors? Where does our revenue come from? Will the FFA want to keep us in if no one is watching us? The NFL and NBA make enough money from TV deals and league sponsorship that crap teams don't need extra revenue. That is not true in the A League.

link

Wow, compelling argument

You can only have an argument when both people participate, arguing with you any further is a pointless exercise.

You seem to have taken this really hard. Sorry I disagreed with your position and tried to explain why.

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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about 8 years ago

theprof wrote:

Nelfoos wrote:

Darije also quoted as saying to Dura - 'You are my captain, why didn't you tell me?'

If this is true and accurate you can't blame Darije for being a little annoyed at Dura - I'd expect the capt to be my eyes and ears as well!

I'd be expecting my Captain to bring any concerns the players have to my attention to be addressed. Surely the players should have some faith in their own Captain.
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about 8 years ago

Lonegunmen wrote:

theprof wrote:

Nelfoos wrote:

Darije also quoted as saying to Dura - 'You are my captain, why didn't you tell me?'

If this is true and accurate you can't blame Darije for being a little annoyed at Dura - I'd expect the capt to be my eyes and ears as well!

I'd be expecting my Captain to bring any concerns the players have to my attention to be addressed. Surely the players should have some faith in their own Captain.

Are we about to see a change of Captain?  

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about 8 years ago

I think I provided a number of examples where what you said is untrue - move on.

But not that it's untrue for the Nix. Do you honestly think the Nix can be self-sustaining and long-term viable if we continue to be terrible on the pitch? Look at our crowd numbers. Look at the decline in our crowds at travelling circus games over the last couple of years. How attractive do we look to sponsors? Where does our revenue come from? Will the FFA want to keep us in if no one is watching us? The NFL and NBA make enough money from TV deals and league sponsorship that crap teams don't need extra revenue. That is not true in the A League.

link

Wow, compelling argument

You can only have an argument when both people participate, arguing with you any further is a pointless exercise.

You seem to have taken this really hard. Sorry I disagreed with your position and tried to explain why.

Apology accepted, dont do it again.
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about 8 years ago

I think I provided a number of examples where what you said is untrue - move on.

But not that it's untrue for the Nix. Do you honestly think the Nix can be self-sustaining and long-term viable if we continue to be terrible on the pitch? Look at our crowd numbers. Look at the decline in our crowds at travelling circus games over the last couple of years. How attractive do we look to sponsors? Where does our revenue come from? Will the FFA want to keep us in if no one is watching us? The NFL and NBA make enough money from TV deals and league sponsorship that crap teams don't need extra revenue. That is not true in the A League.

link

Wow, compelling argument

You can only have an argument when both people participate, arguing with you any further is a pointless exercise.

You seem to have taken this really hard. Sorry I disagreed with your position and tried to explain why.

Apology accepted, dont do it again.

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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about 8 years ago

Nelfoos wrote:

Sounds like Darije got fed up with Rado undermining him and called a meeting with some senior players (Kaludjerovic, Paracki and Durante, among others) and asked them what they thought. Paracki and Kalu, Dura agreed with them, a little less vehemently laid into Rado and Darije decided to ship him out because of it.

Darije also quoted as saying to Dura - 'You are my captain, why didn't you tell me?'

Just the gossip from the WAG in my office.


I dont think the relationship between coach and assist coach is anything to do with the captain

Oi Oi Edgecumbe... lets have a clean sheet

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about 8 years ago

Nelfoos wrote:

Sounds like Darije got fed up with Rado undermining him and called a meeting with some senior players (Kaludjerovic, Paracki and Durante, among others) and asked them what they thought. Paracki and Kalu, Dura agreed with them, a little less vehemently laid into Rado and Darije decided to ship him out because of it.

Darije also quoted as saying to Dura - 'You are my captain, why didn't you tell me?'

Just the gossip from the WAG in my office.


I dont think the relationship between coach and assist coach is anything to do with the captain

If the assistant is undermining the first team coach behind their back it is.

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about 8 years ago

Lonegunmen wrote:

And here I am, looking at bringing my 6 year old to the game on Saturday, how do I explain this to him? beware, kids are smarter than they let on sometimes.

Mate, the Nix in disarray is a cake walk compared to what we've been through in the past 10 years. 

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Side Note A mover and a shaker

In December 2014, Sydney FC announced that Vidošić had returned to Brisbane for personal reasons.[4] Despite being a former head coach and technical director, he subsequently took the unusual step of taking up an assistant coaching role with his former club Brisbane Roar

n 13 July 2015, Vidošić joined Melbourne Victory as an assistant coach, following the resignation of Jean-Paul de Marigny.[7] On 31 May 2016, after one season at the club, Vidošić left his role as the result of the return of former assistant coach de Marigny

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I hate to speculate in this way as it is plainly unfair to the man, but from the above summary of his recent assignments - 

Is it just possible that Rado is a classic example of a head coach trapped in the body of an assistant coach?

One of those cases when one is afraid of making the final step.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 8 years ago

Mainland FC wrote:

I hate to speculate in this way as it is plainly unfair to the man, but - 

Is it just possible that Rado is a classic example of a head coach trapped in the body of an assistant coach?

One of those cases when one is afraid of making the final step.

  He may well be best suited to Head Coach at WSW - At the season launch(Brand Launch) He showed passion and vision and a huge desire to succeed 

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about 8 years ago

WSW just sacked their assistant. Wonder if Rado and. Dario will pop up there

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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about 8 years ago

I think I provided a number of examples where what you said is untrue - move on.

But not that it's untrue for the Nix. Do you honestly think the Nix can be self-sustaining and long-term viable if we continue to be terrible on the pitch? Look at our crowd numbers. Look at the decline in our crowds at travelling circus games over the last couple of years. How attractive do we look to sponsors? Where does our revenue come from? Will the FFA want to keep us in if no one is watching us? The NFL and NBA make enough money from TV deals and league sponsorship that crap teams don't need extra revenue. That is not true in the A League.

link

Wow, compelling argument

You can only have an argument when both people participate, arguing with you any further is a pointless exercise.

You seem to have taken this really hard. Sorry I disagreed with your position and tried to explain why.

Apology accepted, dont do it again.

I love you man.....
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about 8 years ago

WSW just sacked their assistant. Wonder if Rado and. Dario will pop up there

I understand it is Hayden Foxe that resigned  and not WSW sacking him.  A case of an assistant coach being gutted at not being given a crack at the top job, and a frustration at Gombau's ideas that don't work, at the moment.

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 8 years ago

Well written, its pretty clear that at the moment that the coach doesn't have the players he would have picked to run his style of game. Maybe the management made that call but hopefully he can pick up a couple of good players that he wants to work with in the xfr window.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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about 8 years ago

If David Dome reads the posts here then he should know by now what we want.... but does Morrison ever read our posts?

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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Morrison NEEDS to read the posts. All his answers lay here. Plenty have offered intelligent solutions and these are from people whom have loved football for some years, they are not accountants.

Proud to have attended the first 175 Consecutive "Home" Wellington Phoenix "A League" Games !!

The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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about 8 years ago

Lonegunmen wrote:

Morrison NEEDS to read the posts. All his answers lay here. Plenty have offered intelligent solutions and these are from people whom have loved football for some years, they are not accoutnants.

Or good spellers :-)

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 8 years ago

Not sure that Morrison reading the posts in the answer. Our issues with the stadium experience were heard and changed - and is still being improved - however changing the players/coach and style of play maybe a different matter.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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theprof wrote:

Not sure that Morrison reading the posts in the answer. Our issues with the stadium experience were heard and changed - and is still being improved - however changing the players/coach and style of play maybe a different matter.

It needs to be improved a bit more too. I'd start with dumping the prematch music. It's kinda nice listening to the hussel and bussel and more and more fans come in with the air of excitement etc. 

And for haltime entertainment, why dont they show film trailers on the big screens for up and coming flicks. It has to be better than what we saw at the last game. As someone said, two football keen brothers versus two mums and daughters was not a fair contest.

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The Ruf, The Ruf, The Ruf is on Fire!!

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about 8 years ago

I wasn't there and didn't see the context but it sounds very sexy and kinky marketing 


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Lonegunmen wrote:

theprof wrote:

Not sure that Morrison reading the posts in the answer. Our issues with the stadium experience were heard and changed - and is still being improved - however changing the players/coach and style of play maybe a different matter.

It needs to be improved a bit more too. I'd start with dumping the prematch music. It's kinda nice listening to the hussel and bussel and more and more fans come in with the air of excitement etc. 

And for haltime entertainment, why dont they show film trailers on the big screens for up and coming flicks. It has to be better than what we saw at the last game. As someone said, two football keen brothers versus two mums and daughters was not a fair contest.

I have never, and don't know anyone who has ever, taken their seat before the teams walk out, so I cant say im bothered much about the prematch music, I didn't know we had any.

Half time competitions are all very well to give someone the chance to win something, but "entertainment" they aren't and most of us would rather take a piss . This is the time for some big screen advertising or music, most of us will be queing for a beer, piss or to wash our hands in any case.

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Lonegunmen wrote:

(----)  I'd start with dumping the prematch music. It's kinda nice listening to the hussel and bussel and more and more fans come in with the air of excitement etc. (---)

I don't mind listening to hussel and bussel but surely we could better than krautrock?

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 8 years ago

Lonegunmen wrote:

theprof wrote:

Not sure that Morrison reading the posts in the answer. Our issues with the stadium experience were heard and changed - and is still being improved - however changing the players/coach and style of play maybe a different matter.

It needs to be improved a bit more too. I'd start with dumping the prematch music. It's kinda nice listening to the hussel and bussel and more and more fans come in with the air of excitement etc. 

And for haltime entertainment, why dont they show film trailers on the big screens for up and coming flicks. It has to be better than what we saw at the last game. As someone said, two football keen brothers versus two mums and daughters was not a fair contest.

Two terrible ideas

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about 8 years ago

This is the coaching thread. There are other threads to whine about Welnix.

Please stay on topic.


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Early Nostradamus 2018 coaching prediction: Kalezic will leave after we win the wooden spoon (welnix being too nice to sack him prior). He will cite “lack of professionalism” and “lack of ambition/resources” from the owners. Forum meltdown follows, with media “crisis at the nix” and Aussie calls for license to be sold. 

Meanwhile Hudson will be found not to be the next Bielsa/Jose/Pep and will depart Colorado around April, claiming he’s fallen in love with NZ and his work is not yet done. One thing will lead to another, with Anthony’s PowerPoint presentation winning the worldwide search, highlighting key Bullet Points...

  • he knows the NZ football environment
  • promises to develop a team of kiwi professionals who can compete at the top levels of the A league
  • will turn the nix into a “development pipeline” and “selling club” with the likes of Colvey, Tuiloma, Lewis, Singh, Boyd(!) and of course Dyer

This thread will be renamed Anthony’s Young Kiwi Guns & Hudson’s Yellow Army; and the licence renewal will be forever and inextricably tied to Hudson’s success or otherwise, prompting interminable, unremitting forum angst. 

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about 8 years ago

Global Game wrote:

Early Nostradamus 2018 coaching prediction: Kalezic will leave after we win the wooden spoon (welnix being too nice to sack him prior). He will cite “lack of professionalism” and “lack of ambition/resources” from the owners. Forum meltdown follows, with media “crisis at the nix” and Aussie calls for license to be sold. 

Meanwhile Hudson will be found not to be the next Bielsa/Jose/Pep and will depart Colorado around April, claiming he’s fallen in love with NZ and his work is not yet done. One thing will lead to another, with Anthony’s PowerPoint presentation winning the worldwide search, highlighting key Bullet Points...

  • he knows the NZ football environment
  • promises to develop a team of kiwi professionals who can compete at the top levels of the A league
  • will turn the nix into a “development pipeline” and “selling club” with the likes of Colvey, Tuiloma, Lewis, Singh, Boyd(!) and of course Dyer

This thread will be renamed Anthony’s Young Kiwi Guns & Hudson’s Yellow Army; and the licence renewal will be forever and inextricably tied to Hudson’s success or otherwise, prompting interminable, unremitting forum angst. 

Jolly
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about 8 years ago

Lonegunmen wrote:

Morrison NEEDS to read the posts. All his answers lay here. Plenty have offered intelligent solutions and these are from people whom have loved football for some years, they are not accountants.

Hey, some of us are accountants!

Valley FC til I die?

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about 8 years ago

Nelfoos wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

Morrison NEEDS to read the posts. All his answers lay here. Plenty have offered intelligent solutions and these are from people whom have loved football for some years, they are not accountants.

Hey, some of us are accountants!

#innocentbystanders

Actually, getting outplayed quite a bit these days

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about 8 years ago

I've been waiting for #DarijeOut to start trending, and it did last night.


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about 8 years ago

I have to concede, our style is not attractive to watch. It was a game we really should of won last night and I don't think the loss was down to the coach [although they are always in the firing line for losses]. I'm not certain that the club has lost patience yet, I'd think Darije has convinced them the team was rotten and they are supporting him in removing that. Whether or not he either gets the right people in/out and/or the club spends the right money - will determine  [in my mind] whether he should stay or get the sack.

None of us will be happy with what we are being dished up at the moment but I think there has to be a clean out somewhere because we keep getting the poor results year after year. If changing the playing personnel doesn't work then the owners will have to look at coach and management if they are serious about turning this club around. It actually makes me sad.

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about 8 years ago

Doloras wrote:

I've been waiting for #DarijeOut to start trending, and it did last night.

I did wonder during the game if we would have been better choosing Rado over Darje, there was such a contrast between this game and the last time we played city.

But Darje addressed that in the conference and he was convinced that this was the best way to beat city.

And on the balance of chances you can't say he was wrong, that game should have been two or three zip.

The fact that the second time we played them was so drastically different from the first shows that he's tactically flexible and has a better grasp of the game than some of our previous coaches.

His man management seems suspect but people have been crying out for a tough coach and that's what we've got.

This season is a write off and I'm happy to see how he builds for next.

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about 8 years ago

Ryan wrote:

[quote=Doloras]

This season is a write off and I'm happy to see how he builds for next.

If there is one. I know theoretically there are 2 seasons of licence left, but this year has build up such disgust even among hard core fans that not only Darije but Welnix might pull the plug.


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about 8 years ago

Doloras wrote:

Ryan wrote:

[quote=Doloras]

This season is a write off and I'm happy to see how he builds for next.

If there is one. I know theoretically there are 2 seasons of licence left, but this year has build up such disgust even among hard core fans that not only Darije but Welnix might pull the plug.

At the risk of sounding too 'glass half full', they might also give Darije the support he needs and stump up the cash for him to get rid of some underperforming players and bring in new blood to revitalize the club. Personally, I prefer my scenario. And I suspect most fans would, too.
And if the A-League does break away from FFA in the near future, I suspect the Nix will be one club that the other owners will want to hang on to. Financially sound and well run, despite the current hiccups. :)

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