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Ernie Merrick - former Phoenix manager

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almost 13 years ago

Frankie Mac wrote:

I always got the impression that any kid who spent a day in the same city as Wynton at some stage in their life was "a product of the Wynners academy" 

Just like any half-decent player who spent 2 weeks in NZ as a kid is a kiwi... :P

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almost 13 years ago · edited almost 13 years ago · History

If you have even heard of Wynton Rufer you are a product of Wyners.

Just as we are all God's children we are all Wynton's children.


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almost 13 years ago

If their is any truth in this mornings Dom Post article - other than maybe Wynton to be an ambassador - We are in serious trouble.  

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almost 13 years ago

Sorry but if Rufer gets the job then i very much doubt if i will be able to maintain my attendance record.Look forward to yellow fever releasing their version of the bible to show their support.Bloody hell can see it already prayers in the zone before kickoff.Welnix go for him and  it will really show they have no idea.

Off season for gods sake MODS take control.



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almost 13 years ago

I'm very much an atheist, but I respect people's rights to believe what they want. I don't think that his religion is relevant at all in this case.


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almost 13 years ago

wynton and shane were able to achieve much more with the kingz than anyone else was able to achieve with the kingz/knights. while they were there, the kingz had a chance and played outstanding footy. 

results wise, fallon, dugdale and adshead were shown up completely by the rufers.

wynton's playing record speaks for itself

so is logical that he should be given serious consideration for the role.  he is probably the number one kiwi candidate for the job and i'd be delighted if he got it.

but maybe i am one of those rare types who can see beyond petty criticisms of diverse personality

360footballnews.com

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almost 13 years ago

Agree with both these posts

Grumpy old bastard alert

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almost 13 years ago

 Rufer may be the top kiwi option, but do we really want his approcah to people to be what the nix is known for? FRom what I've read he doesn't strike me as a very personable type of man, sure he may be able to coach/develop players but what about the image of the club?

Queenslander 3x a year.

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almost 13 years ago

reg22 wrote:

wynton and shane were able to achieve much more with the kingz than anyone else was able to achieve with the kingz/knights. while they were there, the kingz had a chance and played outstanding footy. 

results wise, fallon, dugdale and adshead were shown up completely by the rufers.

wynton's playing record speaks for itself

so is logical that he should be given serious consideration for the role.  he is probably the number one kiwi candidate for the job and i'd be delighted if he got it.

but maybe i am one of those rare types who can see beyond petty criticisms of diverse personality

No one will ever doubt his playing record - but would he hold the respect of players after the first few sessions.

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almost 13 years ago

reg22 wrote:

wynton and shane were able to achieve much more with the kingz than anyone else was able to achieve with the kingz/knights. while they were there, the kingz had a chance and played outstanding footy. 

results wise, fallon, dugdale and adshead were shown up completely by the rufers.

... logical that he should be given serious consideration for the role.  he is probably the number one kiwi candidate for the job and i'd be delighted if he got it.


Agree!
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almost 13 years ago

reg22 wrote:

wynton and shane were able to achieve much more with the kingz than anyone else was able to achieve with the kingz/knights. while they were there, the kingz had a chance and played outstanding footy.  


It's slightly disingenuous to imply that Rufer had a successful time with the Kingz. Yes, they were reasonably competitive, but never really reached any great heights, and to claim they played outstanding football is just outlandish.
It is even more disingenuous to frame him above Adshead/Dugdale/Fallon, as if they're his competing options here.
The reality is, Rufer's managerial record is short, far from anything even resembling impressive, and has been dead in the water for over a decade. And he doesn't have a "diverse personality", he is batshit crazy. And incredibly self-centered, just to make it even worse. And there are seriously people who think that he'd be a good option?
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almost 13 years ago

crazier than miron?


my impressions of rufer are only from what I've read on here for the last 6 years, so this is new territory for me - never paid any attention to the a-league/kingz/knights pre-nix

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almost 13 years ago

paulm wrote:

crazier than miron?


my impressions of rufer are only from what I've read on here for the last 6 years, so this is new territory for me - never paid any attention to the a-league/kingz/knights pre-nix


I'd call Miron 'diverse personality'. Wynton is many, many levels of crazy away from that.
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almost 13 years ago

el grapadura wrote:

paulm wrote:

crazier than miron?


my impressions of rufer are only from what I've read on here for the last 6 years, so this is new territory for me - never paid any attention to the a-league/kingz/knights pre-nix


I'd call Miron 'diverse personality'. Wynton is many, many levels of crazy away from that.
Can I ask EG your dealings with him? Not disparaging your comments at all or questioning, just looking for context. I've dealt with him twice and had zero problems with him so like a couple of others, I don't understand the context to him being an issue. Yes I have heard all the people say 'oh no he is hard work' but then no one has given an example of this. I guess what I am getting at is how much is word of mouth passed on and perpetuating the story and how much is true. I have no idea. I do know he is religious but I don't see why that's an issue.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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almost 13 years ago

lots of sweeping statements with no evidence


not disputing at all, as I said I've got no idea, but would love to hear some examples so I can start to form my own opinion

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All jokes aside, I've just never thought Rufer's judgement is that great. Remember when he went public slagging off Herbert for not including Stefan Marinovic, Michael Fitzgerald and Andrew Milne in the 2010 World Cup squad? I mean, suggesting those three isn't absolutely, completely mad but neither does it demonstrate a really astutue footballing mind. And before anyone starts ripping into some of Herbert's choices - that's the point. Herbert got sacked. I'm hoping we can do better than that.

http://www.3news.co.nz/Herbert-ignored-recommendations--Wynton-Rufer/tabid/415/articleID/156037/Default.aspx 

Note his obsession with club budgets in that piece as well. How is that relevant to player selection? It's like everything coming out of his mouth you find yourself going "eh?"

On the other hand he'd be great for laughs and column inches.

P478 EDIT: Fixed link.

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almost 13 years ago

dammit getting an internal server error from tv3 on that link

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almost 13 years ago

Interesting what some people in Columbus are reporting.

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almost 13 years ago

paulm wrote:

dammit getting an internal server error from tv3 on that link



Yeah, dunno why. Try just copy and pasting this one...

http://www.3news.co.nz/Herbert-ignored-recommendations--Wynton-Rufer/tabid/415/articleID/156037/Default.aspx


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almost 13 years ago · edited almost 13 years ago · History

CboZ wrote:

Interesting what some people in Columbus are reporting.





Tweeted by him today.

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almost 13 years ago

terminator_x wrote:

CboZ wrote:

Interesting what some people in Columbus are reporting.





Tweeted by him today.

A lot of people think its about the Phoenix job timing seems convenient. However he has also been tweeting about his new football product so could be about this also.
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almost 13 years ago

terminator_x wrote:
Note his obsession with club budgets in that piece as well. How is that relevant to player selection? It's like everything coming out of his mouth you find yourself going "eh?"

I'd expect ManU with a whopping budget to have world class players and a club that has a $12m budget to afford somewhat better players than a club running a $6m budget, like the Phoenix.  So if they signed a young Kiwi arguably he'd be worth a look.
No "eh?" there for me
No axe to grind, only know of WR from what I've seen in the press, but his point seems entirely valid to me.
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almost 13 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

Trueblue wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

The unfortunate thing is that in the context of the football and sporting landscape, announcing a search for a coach is not really news

Don't agree, rugby and league often get a lot of media coverage out of it. Why should football be the wallflower? We have to learn to get media coverage where-ever we can in a crowded sporting landscape. This is a big story, use it. 

Sorry, perhaps I should make my perspective clearer.


For us in football, yes it's a big deal. For anyone else (and in NZ that's the majority including the scribes) it's a non event. Hence no coverage.


I suspect, for League and Rugby, there are only so many candidates and they are all well known in this part of the world so the journos can write press off the top of their heads.
Nix coach could be almost anybody from a very large football world and most NZ journalists wouldn't know where to start.
I suspect if Welnix announced a shortlist there'd be some good press on the candidates.
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almost 13 years ago

My source tells me Welnix are close to signing a new coach.



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almost 13 years ago

 why do I not believe you - oh wait that's cos your source has been shit

Queenslander 3x a year.

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almost 13 years ago

nufc_nz wrote:

My source tells me Welnix are close to signing a new coach.


Is your source your friend jason pine?


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almost 13 years ago

theprof wrote:

 why do I not believe you - oh wait that's cos your source has been shit


Bit harsh, mate.



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almost 13 years ago

tripvincent wrote:

nufc_nz wrote:

My source tells me Welnix are close to signing a new coach.


Is your source your friend jason pine?


I cannot disclose my source.



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almost 13 years ago

nufc_nz wrote:

tripvincent wrote:

nufc_nz wrote:

My source tells me Welnix are close to signing a new coach.


Is your source your friend jason pine?


I cannot disclose my source.

is it from a tomato sauce bottle 

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almost 13 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

el grapadura wrote:

paulm wrote:

crazier than miron?


my impressions of rufer are only from what I've read on here for the last 6 years, so this is new territory for me - never paid any attention to the a-league/kingz/knights pre-nix


I'd call Miron 'diverse personality'. Wynton is many, many levels of crazy away from that.
Can I ask EG your dealings with him? Not disparaging your comments at all or questioning, just looking for context. I've dealt with him twice and had zero problems with him so like a couple of others, I don't understand the context to him being an issue. Yes I have heard all the people say 'oh no he is hard work' but then no one has given an example of this. I guess what I am getting at is how much is word of mouth passed on and perpetuating the story and how much is true. I have no idea. I do know he is religious but I don't see why that's an issue.

I've come across Wynton several times over the years. Always found him very self-serving, and not overly perceptive when it comes to football matters, especially for someone who's had such a good professional career. Not to mention that he comes up with the randomest shit that just make you go wtf.
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almost 13 years ago

chefmivec wrote:

nufc_nz wrote:

tripvincent wrote:

nufc_nz wrote:

My source tells me Welnix are close to signing a new coach.


Is your source your friend jason pine?


I cannot disclose my source.

is it from a tomato sauce bottle 

Look, he goes by "Mr Heinz" that's all I know.


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almost 13 years ago

Hope its not Wynton..just dont think he would pull the whole thing together and move the club onwards and upwards..table that is.

A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen

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almost 13 years ago

nufc_nz wrote:

chefmivec wrote:

nufc_nz wrote:

tripvincent wrote:

nufc_nz wrote:

My source tells me Welnix are close to signing a new coach.


Is your source your friend jason pine?


I cannot disclose my source.

is it from a tomato sauce bottle 

Look, he goes by "Mr Heinz" that's all I know.


Is your source the calender. 


It is nearing the end of April and that is when they said the new manager would be announced.....

We will never fully decide who has won the football.

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almost 13 years ago

The end is near with the quality of the applications we have seen here. I'm sure it will be mr Heineken playing off against mr Stein-larger. But then the surprise we all need will appear. Not sure he will please al here though

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almost 13 years ago

mjp2 wrote:

terminator_x wrote:
Note his obsession with club budgets in that piece as well. How is that relevant to player selection? It's like everything coming out of his mouth you find yourself going "eh?"

I'd expect ManU with a whopping budget to have world class players and a club that has a $12m budget to afford somewhat better players than a club running a $6m budget, like the Phoenix.  So if they signed a young Kiwi arguably he'd be worth a look.
No "eh?" there for me
No axe to grind, only know of WR from what I've seen in the press, but his point seems entirely valid to me.


Sorry, but he tries to justify selecting Marinovic for the WC squad with the logic that "Marinovic plays at a club with a yearly budget of $12 million, the Phoenix's annual budget is about $6 million"

That's one great big "what the fuck?" right there. Of course, Marinovic being a Wyners graduate has nothing to do with it.

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almost 13 years ago
So Wyntnon says some daft things... lots of players / coaches etc do. A little eccentricity makes things a little more fun for everyone involved. Ferguson is a nut job and says stupid things. I would be quite happy for him to get involved. I believe he would get the team playing a more exciting brand of football which I do want (with results) and would look to play young NZers which i see as another positive. Also given his connections and his name we may be able to attract better players to come to the nix whether on loan or on a contract. As a player who would excite you more, playing for a guy who has excelled at the highest level or a coach with a pedigree grown in state leagues in Aussie that are semi professional at best. (I honestly do not think we are looking at experience coaches from beyong NZ and Auzzies - we just don't have the coin). Houghton is an option but not sure what he will will bring to the table that we can't get from Rufer.
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almost 13 years ago

 Rufer also has a habit of sticking his nose in areas where he is not welcome.

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almost 13 years ago

I have to say that article from TV3 is a big 'what?' How is Milne and Fitzgerald now? I think their performances have proven Ricki right.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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almost 13 years ago

Wynton`s record as coach with the Kingz wasn`t that bad !!!!???

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almost 13 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

martinb wrote:

terminator_x wrote:

Take a good long look at that photo people. That could be Tyler Boyd shaking hands with Wynton after being subbed off next season. Wynton's even got his tracksuit top on!

Leo looks happy about it. Stein's more like "who the fuck is this guy?".


Stein would know who he is. I knew this Swiss chick, who (note is NOT GERMAN and) didn't really follow football she knew who he was. 

Um.... I got the jist of it but the middle part....


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