Wellington Phoenix Men

Exhibition - Spurs to NZ ?

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Buffon II wrote:
el grapadura wrote:
Buffon II wrote:

whooooooo wrote:

to each their own i guess.and when you say "nobody cares about (club) outside Britain", well frankly that could be said about 16 teams in the EPL.
Yes that's my point. Only four clubs in Britain could begin to consider themselves big on a worldwide scale. And yes, before any Celtic or Rangers mongs come in here, that includes you. And no, you aren't big.


Celtic are a big club.



No they aren't. Like Newcastle, no one cares about them outside Britain.
 
uhhh, define 'no one'
 
Plenty of people follow the ugly sisters in Aus and In Nz
 
 
 
33000 went to the Celtic Roar match a couple years back.. That would filll the ROF
 
So therefore your logic is flawed.
 
TBH any club in the EPl or Celtic/Rangers would be a coup for us.

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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Hmm, I reckon we need a team around mid table EPL? I heard that Perennial strugglers Liverpool could be looking for a few pre-season games... No Champs league qualifiers either.
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Ha ha ha I hope not

Peoples Republik of Aucklandia

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Id be pretty keen on Blackburm, Everton, Fulham, Aston Villa, Celtic. Even Boro
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Middlesborough could work with Killen, Scott Mcdonald and Brad Jones all from Aus/NZ.
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Middlesborough? Sort of like going to a top restaurant and getting served up a plate of baked beans.
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I wonder who the nz supporters of the team that comes will support.

Listening to a bunch of Aussie sing, You'll Never Walk Alone at the Celtic v. Brisbane game was cringeworthy.
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Buffon II wrote:

el grapadura wrote:
Buffon II wrote:

whooooooo wrote:

to each their own i guess.and when you say "nobody cares about (club) outside Britain", well frankly that could be said about 16 teams in the EPL.
Yes that's my point. Only four clubs in Britain could begin to consider themselves big on a worldwide scale. And yes, before any Celtic or Rangers mongs come in here, that includes you. And no, you aren't big.


Celtic are a big club.

No they aren't. Like Newcastle, no one cares about them outside Britain.


That's hardly relevant basis for discussing how 'big' a club is.

Besides that, it's also wrong, since Celtic has a very sizeable following outside of Scotland.el grapadura2010-04-06 09:18:09
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StopOut wrote:
Middlesborough? Sort of like going to a top restaurant and getting served up a plate of baked beans.


Nice one

If not EPL, maybe some Italian team? They tend to do some pre-season in the area (Asia tours and such). Inter/AC Milan would be nice.
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el grapadura wrote:
Buffon II wrote:

el grapadura wrote:
Buffon II wrote:

whooooooo wrote:

to each their own i guess.and when you say "nobody cares about (club) outside Britain", well frankly that could be said about 16 teams in the EPL.
Yes that's my point. Only four clubs in Britain could begin to consider themselves big on a worldwide scale. And yes, before any Celtic or Rangers mongs come in here, that includes you. And no, you aren't big.


Celtic are a big club.

No they aren't. Like Newcastle, no one cares about them outside Britain.


That's hardly relevant basis for discussing how 'big' a club is.

Besides that, it's also wrong, since Celtic has a very sizeable following outside of Scotland.


Really? I wonder how much people in Norway know about Celtic. Or how often people in Romania hear about Celtic. I suspect the answer to both is not a lot.

A good way of identifying a truly big club is whether the average football fan can associate these five key aspects of the club:

Name
Country of origin
Home ground
Home kit
Famous personalities (players, managers etc)

If your average football fan can easily name all five then that club is genuinely a big club.

Three for me, and two for them.

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I know for a fact that there's a Celtic supporters club in Croatia. Just an example.

And Celtic ticks all the boxes you've just posted there.

You are severely underestimating the success Celtic has had in the past, and what a big name they really are.
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Rangers are more successful than Celtic and they aren't big either. It's not just about trophies.

Three for me, and two for them.

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Buffon II wrote:


Really? I wonder how much people in Norway know about Celtic. Or how often people in Romania hear about Celtic. I suspect the answer to both is not a lot.

A good way of identifying a truly big club is whether the average football fan can associate these five key aspects of the club:

Name
Country of origin
Home ground
Home kit
Famous personalities (players, managers etc)

If your average football fan can easily name all five then that club is genuinely a big club.



anyone can associate these with NUFC ?????


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chocnut wrote:
Hmm, I reckon we need a team around mid table EPL? I heard that  L'pool could be looking for a few pre-season games... No Champs league qualifiers either.


Ouch!
Unlikely, but would be great to see them here.
Perhaps Nth Qld Fury would be keen too. (Fowler or no Fowler?)
Terry would insist.Part of the money that bailed them out was from us so you owe us!
RedGed2010-04-06 10:13:01

  Improving,,on the up, a work in progress from Italiano and the Nix. Bring on the bathroom bling in '24! COYN!

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Buffon II wrote:
Rangers are more successful than Celtic and they aren't big either. It's not just about trophies.


Exactly.

That's why Celtic are a big club in world terms, and Rangers aren't.el grapadura2010-04-06 10:11:24
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whooooooo wrote:
Buffon II wrote:


Really? I wonder how much people in Norway know about Celtic. Or how often people in Romania hear about Celtic. I suspect the answer to both is not a lot.

A good way of identifying a truly big club is whether the average football fan can associate these five key aspects of the club:

Name
Country of origin
Home ground
Home kit
Famous personalities (players, managers etc)

If your average football fan can easily name all five then that club is genuinely a big club.



anyone can associate these with NUFC ?????




No they can't. You just think they can because the football media here has a heavy British influence. People in South America wouldn't have a clue who Newcastle are and wouldn't care either.

Three for me, and two for them.

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who gives a sh*t about South America we are talking about bringing a team to NZ ??

and do you have first hand experience about this "don't know and don't care" business or are you just havin a guess ?
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whooooooo wrote:
who gives a sh*t about South America we are talking about bringing a team to NZ ??


Because you said Newcastle were one of the biggest clubs in the world. South America is a rather large part of the world in terms of population (and football).

And do i have experience? Yes. A few years ago several Argentine and Brazilian students came to our school on exchange. Fairly standard football fans, not too passionate or extreme followers of the game. Could name the big four in England and that was about it as far as British clubs went. Had barely heard of Newcastle.
Buffon II2010-04-06 10:22:54

Three for me, and two for them.

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coachingsoccer wrote:
StopOut wrote:
Middlesborough? Sort of like going to a top restaurant and getting served up a plate of baked beans.


Nice one

If not EPL, maybe some Italian team? They tend to do some pre-season in the area (Asia tours and such). Inter/AC Milan would be nice.


We turned down Juventus in 2008. Wasn't considered worth it in terms of estimated attendance IIRC.
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Partly also because it was Juventus B - all their best players (Italian, French, and other Euros) were in camp prior to EURO 2008.
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Buffon II wrote:
whooooooo wrote:
who gives a sh*t about South America we are talking about bringing a team to NZ ??


Because you said Newcastle were one of the biggest clubs in the world. South America is a rather large part of the world in terms of population (and football).

And do i have experience? Yes. A few years ago several Argentine and Brazilian students came to our school on exchange. Fairly standard football fans, not too passionate or extreme followers of the game. Could name the big four in England and that was about it as far as British clubs went. Had barely heard of Newcastle.


so you talked to them about NUFC ?

and you do claim they barely heard of NUFC which means they HAVE heard of them, correct ?
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Hearing about them doesn't make them a big club. I've heard of Kamen Ingrad in Croatia but it doesn't make them a big club.

Three for me, and two for them.

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Kamen Ingrad is kaput now.

A local tycoon bought the club from basically a village and tried to turn it into a strong top division club.

Massive fail.
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Buffon II wrote:
Hearing about them doesn't make them a big club. I've heard of Kamen Ingrad in Croatia but it doesn't make them a big club.


sure, but the thing is you claim no one knows about NUFC in South America but know your saying they do ? or at least heard of them.

what one is it then ?
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Just because you have heard of a club it does not mean you know about them. They may recognize the name Newcastle United but they wouldn't be able to tell you where they play, what they wear, or who their famous players are. Therefore they aren't a big club.

Three for me, and two for them.

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Buffon II wrote:
Just because you have heard of a club it does not mean you know about them. They may recognize the name Newcastle United but they wouldn't be able to tell you where they play, what they wear, or who their famous players are. Therefore they aren't a big club.


what is this ?

Buffon II's guide to "how you know a football club is a big one" ???????????????

lets forget about this "big club" sh*t for a second.

if NUFC (EPL since this morning !!) flew over to Wellington to play the Phoenix at the Westpac Stadium, do you think the attendance would reach the 30,000+ mark ?

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Hard News wrote:
So, just like Man City then ?


Well, at least Man City still have a first team...
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whooooooo wrote:
Buffon II wrote:
Just because you have heard of a club it does not mean you know about them. They may recognize the name Newcastle United but they wouldn't be able to tell you where they play, what they wear, or who their famous players are. Therefore they aren't a big club.


what is this ?

Buffon II's guide to "how you know a football club is a big one" ???????????????



As opposed to your guide of "if i say they're a big club then they are"

Three for me, and two for them.

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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
you didn't answer my question ?
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almost 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Have you not seen whoooo in other threads Buffy. What he says is right and we're all idiots. He doesnt need to justify his statements.

Allegedly

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What about Seatlle Sounders. They have a big Name in Freddie Ljungberg. and he does have a bit of the Beckham factor as his Calvin Klein posters would have been seen by a lot of Kiwis.
 
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I heard that Henry may leave Barca for New York in the northern summer, so if that did eventuate then they could work also. Boyens plays for them as well.

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Buffon II wrote:
Just because you have heard of a club it does not mean you know about them. They may recognize the name Newcastle United but they wouldn't be able to tell you where they play, what they wear, or who their famous players are. Therefore they aren't a big club.
This counts out Arsenal. Very few outside people would be able to name a star, except maybe Henry.Michael2010-04-06 12:31:16
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Well that's the marketing sorted then UG.
That ad in all the womens weeklies and a bit of tv .....sellout guaranteed!

  Improving,,on the up, a work in progress from Italiano and the Nix. Bring on the bathroom bling in '24! COYN!

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Michael wrote:
Buffon II wrote:
Just because you have heard of a club it does not mean you know about them. They may recognize the name Newcastle United but they wouldn't be able to tell you where they play, what they wear, or who their famous players are. Therefore they aren't a big club.
This counts out Arsenal. Very few people would be able to name a star, except maybe Henry.


I agree Michael. Only a truly global scale Arsenal aren't yet a big club. We are very close though.

Three for me, and two for them.

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Buffon II wrote:
Michael wrote:
Buffon II wrote:
Just because you have heard of a club it does not mean you know about them. They may recognize the name Newcastle United but they wouldn't be able to tell you where they play, what they wear, or who their famous players are. Therefore they aren't a big club.
This counts out Arsenal. Very few people would be able to name a star, except maybe Henry.


I agree Michael. Only a truly global scale Arsenal aren't yet a big club. We are very close though.


and not many people would be able to name the stadium. I think it's not as easy to remember as Old Trafford or St.James' park
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Most supported club in Africa FWIW.

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whooooooo wrote:
Buffon II wrote:
Michael wrote:
Buffon II wrote:
Just because you have heard of a club it does not mean you know about them. They may recognize the name Newcastle United but they wouldn't be able to tell you where they play, what they wear, or who their famous players are. Therefore they aren't a big club.
This counts out Arsenal. Very few people would be able to name a star, except maybe Henry.


I agree Michael. Only a truly global scale Arsenal aren't yet a big club. We are very close though.


and not many people would be able to name the stadium. I think it's not as easy to remember as Old Trafford or St.James' park


Forget it whoooooo. Newcastle aren't even one of the biggest clubs in England, let alone the world.

Three for me, and two for them.

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Tegal wrote:
Have you not seen whoooo in other threads Buffy. What he says is right and we're all idiots. He doesnt need to justify his statements.


I think Buffy is being just as, if not more than, unreasonable than whooooo atm.  Picking countries out of his backside and saying he thinks people don't know about Celtic there.  That's about as poor evidence for an argument as I bring to the table at times, I'm afraid to say.

I suppose it is off-season though.
loyalgunner2010-04-06 12:48:56
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