Wellington Phoenix Men

How's this helping NZ football?

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Feverish wrote:
Bluemagic wrote:
Tegal wrote:
But you even say theyre being looked at,and are getting the opportunity to train and trial with the phoenix. So really,theyre just miffed that theyre not good enough...?
    I don't think enough NZ players are being seriously looked at (the two under 20 trainees don't count) because I'm talking about players in the 23-27 age band where they are ripe to step up into a professional level. It's a big step that requires a lot of effort. The question is - is enought effort being put into that. For me Siggy alone isn't enough.
 
 
 
well we have given Old, Christie and Mulli a fair crack and they have all been pants.
Can anybody tell me how much actual game time Spoonley, Old, Christie, Mully, Draper, Rojas etc have had? If you're not playing full games how in heck do you progress and how do you really know what they can do? Old seems to be a classic case in point.
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Malky wrote:
Bluemagic wrote:
Smithy wrote:
No, it's imposed on the local scene because of the financial realities of life.

Just like it is in all parts of the world where professional leagues end.

 
 
Not quite true. City's coffers are brimming (even though we've given half to finance the rest of the NZFC) because of CWC winnings. But it can't be paid to the players (beyond very strict limits) so they have to keep full-time jobs. Thus they can't even be semi-pro and improve their skills.As Glenda Slagg says - GEDDIT?

If I can play your topic title back at you, how would this help NZ football? You would have one team with all the top (Nix players aside) players in the country beating everyone (a bit like Man U b4 Abramovich since you like your EPL comparisons) or even worse, stacked full of imports. There would instantly be even less interest in the NZFC and less development of local talent.

Fair point, you probably would stuff most of the teams but if City was ALLOWED to go even semi-pro I think we could give your reserves a run for their money. The African champions are a pretty good comparison. You're also right, a semi-pro City would be very lopsided in the NZFC so the amateur rules keep it a reasonable playing field. So we're stuck nd the Catch 22 continues. Only you guys can lift these guys up to professional standard. City can give them the CWC but I wish we could financially reward them for a stupendous effort, but we're not allowed. I think each player got about $8,000 to cover lost earnings. 
 
I'm trying to think outside the box. How can we lift up the standard of all these rough diamonds like Haynes and Barron who deserve better than Sunday in a paddock in the Waikato in an amateur league? Guess who is the only one who can?
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sanday wrote:
Bluemagic,so what you're saying is you'd like ACFC to turn pro or all teams in the NZFC?
No, because the NZFC can't because of the rules (which the Nix are part of). I would love a professional league in NZ but things are heavily stacked against it. Semi-pro perhaps. What I'm trying to explain to you guys is we can't give a pathway to the professional level for our best NZ players. So are you doing enough?????Personally, I don't think so for all the reasons I've gone into.
 
A lot of you say the Nix don't have any obligation to NZ football and if a team with no NZers runs out at the Cake Tin then that's fine, as long as they're winning. I say you have an obligation. Where that balance is, that's the issue here. I have to confess I'm a little sad so few of you seem to care, but hey, as Glenda Slagg says "who gives a...."
 
Thought it was cunning plan to hit the Fury with a good old Welly gale tonight. The landing at the airport alone must have scared the living crap out of them.
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What kind of suppoter are you:
 
 
t**ser/Airhead - goes to see Beckham.
 
Boring and Fairweather - Beckham, maybe the big All Whites game and the Nix (when the weather's good, there has been lots of publicity and they're winning).
 
Getting Interested - Most Nix home games, the occasional NZFC/Chatham Cup game, the All Whites and any touring sides.
 
A genuine footy fan - All the Nix and TW home games and plenty during the winter season. All Whites games are a must. All touring sides.
 
Fanatic - All the above plus any other game you can physically get to, including age group qualifiers and even Womens.
 
Zealot - RicLaRoc
 
 
As Glenda Slagg says: "Who are Ya?"
 
 
 
 
 
 
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You seem to be blaming the fact that AC can't turn pro because of the Phoenix. That seems arse about face to me. The Phoenix are allowed because NZ can't sustain a pro comp. If the Phoenix didn't exist, this wouldn't change. AC may be able to afford to turn pro now, but what happens to all the other NZFC teams that can't? All the talent goes to AC, which wins the league again and again by blowouts, there is less interest then now.

Then what happens if for some reason the CWC money dries up? What if you get knocked out in the prelims and get 1mil instead of 3? What if they change the rules and you have to play off against the Asain champ and get nothing? What happens if another team flukes the OFC final and you don't even qualify (upsets happen). A pro team based on the concept of VERY uncertain prizemoney doesn't seem particulary viable, you would get no trust money as a pro team, and you admit that the reason you have this desire to go pro isn't almost all down to this money.
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Good debate and I think some of the old hands on here need to not take it personally and stick with the issues raised... (Smithy was out of line, but cant mod himself?)

I would like some definitive answers on these points

1. Was it in writing or was it a gentleman's agreement that the Kingz could join only because there was no professional league here in NZ

2. Does such an agreement exist now, in writing or expected (suspect only Tony P can answer this, can you advise Tony)

3. Did the ACFC go to the CWC as an amateur team. Why cant they be classed as professionals there, they are in a different competition arent they

4. Does Terry have a scout looking at NZFC games

Will think of some more later, time to watch the match tonight, Go the Nix (for the good of all NZ football


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I have just worked out that this thread is BlueMagic's way of name dropping all the people in NZ football he has spoken to:
 
Bluemagic wrote:
  The American route is pretty tough now, I know several who have tried  [/QUOTE]
Bluemagic wrote:
 I've been told he really wants to play for the Socceroos and can't now because of his AW status   [/QUOTE]
Bluemagic wrote:
  I'm saying this is the feedback I'm getting from good players jumping out of their skins to get a crack at the A league.  [/QUOTE]
Bluemagic wrote:
  And early on I even remember Seatter be totally dismissive of the idea that the license could go anywhere else  [/QUOTE]
Bluemagic wrote:
 Because the chairman says they are NOT friggin' allowed. If City go professional domestically, the Nix can't be in the A League. When I asked why don't we put an Auckland team in the A League alongside the Nix (provided we could find the funds) it's because the Asians would seriously fight against two NZ-based teams   
[QUOTE=Bluemagic]  Wynton Rufer.......... He told me that was what the Kingz were there for, to bring on the best local talent. 
[QUOTE=Bluemagic]  I was there when Chris Turner and co put it through and wrote at length about it at the time.  
[QUOTE=Bluemagic]  Vilecich was central for three years before Kingz and then Holland and Haynes has played for Central because he told me "it's great to be back".  
[QUOTE=Bluemagic] Siggy wasn't the best player in the NZFC. I talked to him when he was trying to get a trial at the Phoenix   
 

All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight

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Looks like Inspector Mac of the Yard has cracked the case.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Jag wrote:
Looks like Inspector Mac of the Yard has cracked the case.
 

All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight

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the phoenix without a reserve side can only have 23 or so players...stands to reason the club will do the best it can to build a winning team...that afterall is the one thing that will bring the peripheral public to the game and is the basis on which any and all growth  can be sustained....i think in 3 seasons the phoenix have done a great job in gaining credibility for a professional nz based side...finally we are seeing the development of a fortress at the ring of fire and with that will no doubt come the involvment of more nz born players....mr magic with respect auckland had a number of years to develop a strong locally based side and for whatever reason failed to succeed perhaps a little more credit is due to the phoenix for their achievements to date and a little nmore patience by you may see an increase in the number of nz players on display 
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Jag wrote:
Looks like Inspector Mac of the Yard has cracked the case.
 
Guys I was a journalist who wrote about footy as often as I could (even covered the All Whites in Spain in 1982 for PA in London and a Confederation's Cup), give me a bit of credit. I do speak to a lot of people in the game, and I take a real interest. You want me to friggin' drop names, I'll take up another ten pages.
 
TONIGHT'S GAME
 
 
First off, congratulations - amazing scoreline
 
To be honest I didn't think 3-0  reflected the play, but the Fury's defence is crap (they're leaking goals) and you guys took three good chances. They had you under the cosh for some time but couldn't convert it into chances so pat on the back for the Nix defence.
 
Was very pleased to see Costa get game time, and disappointed that Siggy didn't. Mind you, in the conditions he might have broken someone's leg. I suspect Siggy is going to have a hard time getting back in unless there are injuries.
 
Disappointed that only 7500 turned out, even considering the conditions, when you're on this amazing run. There's a roof people, GO TO THE STADIUM! The Phoenix should be getting 12,000 considering what's happening on the field, but that's NZ football supporters for you. It doesn't look good to see the stadium 80% empty. It's a pity you guys can't play in a 12,000 seater, that would look good.
 
I'm always impressed with Ifill, a real trooper and a fine goal. Dadi looked leg weary in the conditions and Tim Brown's distribution is still suspect. Leo Bertos had a cracker of a game, easily the best there.
 
Goals scored by an African, West Indian and an Australian and the 'Kiwi' team won.
 
Thought Brockie showed some nice touches, would like to see more of him playing before I make up my mind.
 
It's a funny ol' game, ain't it?
 
 
 
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Bluemagic wrote:
Jag wrote:
Looks like Inspector Mac of the Yard has cracked the case.
 
Guys I was a journalist who wrote about footy as often as I could (even covered the All Whites in Spain in 1982 for PA in London and a Confederation's Cup), give me a bit of credit. I do speak to a lot of people in the game, and I take a real interest. You want me to friggin' drop names, I'll take up another ten pages.
 
 
Don't start a war you cannot win pal - I once placed my hands on Louise Redknapps hips and I saw Olly Ohlson when I was on a bus.

All I do is make the stuff I would've liked
Reference things I wanna watch, reference girls I wanna bite
Now I'm firefly like a burning kite
And yousa fake fuck like a fleshlight

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I'm not disappointed with the crowd tonight. They braved harsh and severe conditions. To be honest 7000+ was an excellent crowd. abit harsh blue majic
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hepatitis wrote:
Good debate and I think some of the old hands on here need to not take it personally and stick with the issues raised... (Smithy was out of line, but cant mod himself?)

I would like some definitive answers on these points

1. Was it in writing or was it a gentleman's agreement that the Kingz could join only because there was no professional league here in NZ

2. Does such an agreement exist now, in writing or expected (suspect only Tony P can answer this, can you advise Tony)

3. Did the ACFC go to the CWC as an amateur team. Why cant they be classed as professionals there, they are in a different competition arent they

4. Does Terry have a scout looking at NZFC games

Will think of some more later, time to watch the match tonight, Go the Nix (for the good of all NZ football
 
 
Would love to know if there have been any changes to the license with the Phoenix as well? I know what went down with the Kingz and Knights because I wrote about it at length at the time.
 
Show me that the Fifa dispensation requiring the local league be amateur no longer applies and I'll rethink some of the things I've said. Remember guys, NZ was the only country in the world back then that was allowed a team to play in another country's professional league. Please don't jump up and down about Swansea and Cardiff, Wales is not a seperate country, it's part of the UK. Trust me, it was a special dispensation, that was hotly debated at the time.
 
I don't know what went down when NZ Football handed the license to Terry and the Phoenix nine years later, I can only go on what I researched when the Kingz (and Knights) were being formed.
 
PS - Sorry to name drop again but the chairman of City reaffirmed last clubnight that the club has to remain amateur because of the rules.


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aitkenmike wrote:
You seem to be blaming the fact that AC can't turn pro because of the Phoenix. That seems arse about face to me. The Phoenix are allowed because NZ can't sustain a pro comp. If the Phoenix didn't exist, this wouldn't change. AC may be able to afford to turn pro now, but what happens to all the other NZFC teams that can't? All the talent goes to AC, which wins the league again and again by blowouts, there is less interest then now.

Then what happens if for some reason the CWC money dries up? What if you get knocked out in the prelims and get 1mil instead of 3? What if they change the rules and you have to play off against the Asain champ and get nothing? What happens if another team flukes the OFC final and you don't even qualify (upsets happen). A pro team based on the concept of VERY uncertain prizemoney doesn't seem particulary viable, you would get no trust money as a pro team, and you admit that the reason you have this desire to go pro isn't almost all down to this money.
 
 
Good points and you're quite right, it is a circular argument by its very nature. I would like City to be pro but know it realistically can't becasue that would be unfair on the others. But semi-pro it could be because of the CWC. Sure that could go or City could fail to qualify, but I'm trying to be optimistic here. I don't care who does it, I just want the best talent in NZ to get a realistic chance to play pro football. That's not happening at the moment to my satisfaction for all the reasons we've discussed.
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darkhorse wrote:
I'm not disappointed with the crowd tonight. They braved harsh and severe conditions. To be honest 7000+ was an excellent crowd. abit harsh blue majic


Spot on. yeah, we SHOULD be getting 12,000 every week, but we aren't. Not debating that here, but what I will say is that, given our average crowd numbers this season, getting the crowd we got tonight in those conditions is a very good effort indeed.

Love the way our friend Mr Magic says all these nice things about the Nix before dropping in another subtle, or not so subtle, dig in just about every post. Nice to have a better standard of troll on this forum.
Jag2010-01-15 22:43:08

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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Jag - don't feed the Gump
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tigers wrote:
Jag - don't feed the Gump


Yes, Boss. Sorry, Boss

BTW, didn't notice your smiling face in the BB when I was down last week.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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just reminding you of your previous advice - it's like watching a train wreck, this thread, you know you shouldn't but ...
 
yeh, though i saw you in the zone with Ginge, but you disappeared - like Gandalf
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Bluemagic wrote:
aitkenmike wrote:
You seem to be blaming the fact that AC can't turn pro because of the Phoenix. That seems arse about face to me. The Phoenix are allowed because NZ can't sustain a pro comp. If the Phoenix didn't exist, this wouldn't change. AC may be able to afford to turn pro now, but what happens to all the other NZFC teams that can't? All the talent goes to AC, which wins the league again and again by blowouts, there is less interest then now.

Then what happens if for some reason the CWC money dries up? What if you get knocked out in the prelims and get 1mil instead of 3? What if they change the rules and you have to play off against the Asain champ and get nothing? What happens if another team flukes the OFC final and you don't even qualify (upsets happen). A pro team based on the concept of VERY uncertain prizemoney doesn't seem particulary viable, you would get no trust money as a pro team, and you admit that the reason you have this desire to go pro isn't almost all down to this money.
 
 
Good points and you're quite right, it is a circular argument by its very nature. I would like City to be pro but know it realistically can't becasue that would be unfair on the others. But semi-pro it could be because of the CWC. Sure that could go or City could fail to qualify, but I'm trying to be optimistic here. I don't care who does it, I just want the best talent in NZ to get a realistic chance to play pro football. That's not happening at the moment to my satisfaction for all the reasons we've discussed.
 
I just want you to put your cards on the table, out of the 15 in the squad for the Phoenix tonight who from ACFC do you think would be a betetr option?
 
It's really clear what's going on here, your interest is in how ACFC and its players can get a better deal for them and the club.  That's fine, I don't have a problem with that.  But can you spare us the sanctimonious "I'm here for the good of the game"  line because this simple fact is the suggestions you are making would not benefit the game as a whole - they would benefit ACFC and its players, ok?
 
Thirdly (and finally, because this is going nowhere) I really hope that your boys do get an opportunity to trial somewhere (and let's be honest, amateur players going into a professional environment do have to trial, it happens at every level of the game, that is the opportunity they get and they have to take it).  I hope if that doesn't happen then you might just consider that they're not up to it because at the moment it's not one team that's looking them over, it's 10.
 
Actually, this is my final though, and is something I asked earlier.  Would you be prepared for Hayne or Coombes or whatever to move to the Phoenix as a pro, get paid etc, but spend a year with limited opportunities playing mostly for the ressies in the NZFC getting up to speed?
 
And finally and finally, can I point out that criticisms of where goals come from is all rather rich from the club whose success has been built completely on a Sth African strike partnership for the last 5 seasons, in fact throughout their entire history, now augmented by a brit.
james dean2010-01-15 23:11:53

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BlueMagic - i can't believe you were/are a journalist for football. That run-down on the game was all bullsh*t. lets be honest.

Leo the MOM ? HAHAHAHAH!! oh please. i rate McKain higher than siggy. and then that drivel about the crowd numbers..... honestly wake up. It was like 70knot winds and pouring down. I was having thoughts about not going.

and by the way - we are an Australian team based in NZ so STFU !
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tigers wrote:
just reminding you of your previous advice - it's like watching a train wreck, this thread, you know you shouldn't but ...
�

yeh, though i saw you in the zone with Ginge, but you disappeared - like Gandalf


..and with that, I think I'll disappear from this thread.

Apparently I'm apathetic, but I couldn't care less.

"Being a Partick Thistle fan sets you apart. It means youre a free thinker. It also means your team has no money." Tim Luckhurst, The Independent, 4th December 2003

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whooooooo wrote:
BlueMagic - i can't believe you were/are a journalist for football. That run-down on the game was all bullsh*t. lets be honest.

Leo the MOM ? HAHAHAHAH!! oh please. i rate McKain higher than siggy. and then that drivel about the crowd numbers..... honestly wake up. It was like 70knot winds and pouring down. I was having thoughts about not going.

and by the way - we are an Australian team based in NZ so STFU !
 
I think bluemagic is just deliberately trolling to make us think or bring up points we may not normally discuss. While he has been over the top a lot,and does seem to have an agenda and narrow minded view,you cant argue that it has made a good discussion with some good points in parts.
 
You could say im...indifferent toward him,both liking and disliking.

Allegedly

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Bluemagic wrote:
aitkenmike wrote:
You seem to be blaming the fact that AC can't turn pro because of the Phoenix. That seems arse about face to me. The Phoenix are allowed because NZ can't sustain a pro comp. If the Phoenix didn't exist, this wouldn't change. AC may be able to afford to turn pro now, but what happens to all the other NZFC teams that can't? All the talent goes to AC, which wins the league again and again by blowouts, there is less interest then now.

Then what happens if for some reason the CWC money dries up? What if you get knocked out in the prelims and get 1mil instead of 3? What if they change the rules and you have to play off against the Asain champ and get nothing? What happens if another team flukes the OFC final and you don't even qualify (upsets happen). A pro team based on the concept of VERY uncertain prizemoney doesn't seem particulary viable, you would get no trust money as a pro team, and you admit that the reason you have this desire to go pro isn't almost all down to this money.
 
 
Good points and you're quite right, it is a circular argument by its very nature. I would like City to be pro but know it realistically can't becasue that would be unfair on the others. But semi-pro it could be because of the CWC. Sure that could go or City could fail to qualify, but I'm trying to be optimistic here. I don't care who does it, I just want the best talent in NZ to get a realistic chance to play pro football. That's not happening at the moment to my satisfaction for all the reasons we've discussed.
 
I'm afraid I can't stay away from this because I want some answers.  Can you tell me what the point actually is in going pro if you're only playing in an amateur league that you already dominate and there is nowhere higher to go?  You say it's to give kiwi players the opportunity to play professionally but they'll still be in an amateur league against amateurs so what would that achieve?  Unless the whole league turns professional (and that's not going to happen no matter how hard you cross your fingers and pray) this just seems like such a pointless debate
 
Can you also acknowledge that there is a delicious irony in using amateur status to take at least 500k a year for the last 5 years from trust funding, money that is specifically reserved for amateur sport, using that money to win a shed load of prize money (all the while celebrating as an "amateur" club) and then complaining when you aren't allowed to turn pro using that cash?  Do you really wonder why you don't get a lot of sympathy here?
 
I await answers to this and my other posts half a page ago...
james dean2010-01-16 01:34:08

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Hard News wrote:
More like Freaken.

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I like how you're up to date on TWGF affairs...

How's KORB going?
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Bluemagic wrote:
[Remember guys, NZ was the only country in the world back then that was allowed a team to play in another country's professional league. Please don't jump up and down about Swansea and Cardiff, Wales is not a seperate country, it's part of the UK.


Two words - Derry City. All that was required then is that the FAI and the IFA agree. Also, Vaduz (Liechtenstein) plays in the Swiss league. Clearly these FIFA dispensations are not as difficult to get as you're making out.
Doloras2010-01-16 09:40:46

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Doloras wrote:
Bluemagic wrote:
[Remember guys, NZ was the only country in the world back then that was allowed a team to play in another country's professional league. Please don't jump up and down about Swansea and Cardiff, Wales is not a seperate country, it's part of the UK.


Two words - Derry City. All that was required then is that the FAI and the IFA agree. Also, Vaduz (Liechtenstein) plays in the Swiss league. Clearly these FIFA dispensations are not as difficult to get as you're making out.


Also CF Andorra play in the Spanish league and San Marino Calcio play in the Italian league. Not to mention Rapid Vienna who once competed in and won the German Bundesliga.

EDIT: And AS Monaco in France of course.
Buffon II2010-01-16 09:49:02

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Yeah, I was going to mention Monaco, but they're not a member of FIFA so I don't think they'd count for the purposes of the argument.

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Bluemagic wrote:
Feverish wrote:
Bluemagic wrote:
Tegal wrote:
But you even say theyre being looked at,and are getting the opportunity to train and trial with the phoenix. So really,theyre just miffed that theyre not good enough...?
    I don't think enough NZ players are being seriously looked at (the two under 20 trainees don't count) because I'm talking about players in the 23-27 age band where they are ripe to step up into a professional level. It's a big step that requires a lot of effort. The question is - is enought effort being put into that. For me Siggy alone isn't enough.
 
 
 
well we have given Old, Christie and Mulli a fair crack and they have all been pants.
Can anybody tell me how much actual game time Spoonley, Old, Christie, Mully, Draper, Rojas etc have had? If you're not playing full games how in heck do you progress and how do you really know what they can do? Old seems to be a classic case in point.
 
Olds and Chritie had loads - far too many. Mulli had not as many but still far too much

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james dean wrote:
I'm afraid I can't stay away from this because I want some answers.  Can you tell me what the point actually is in going pro if you're only playing in an amateur league that you already dominate and there is nowhere higher to go?  You say it's to give kiwi players the opportunity to play professionally but they'll still be in an amateur league against amateurs so what would that achieve?  Unless the whole league turns professional (and that's not going to happen no matter how hard you cross your fingers and pray) this just seems like such a pointless debate
 


I guess this is one of the points I got from him, was that if they can't go pro then he wants some of his better players to be recognized and be able to go pro. I'm sure if city gave Ricki a call and told him to have a look ant their top players, then Ricki would take them on in the gap between the end of A-League/ NZFC and the world cup finals.


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james dean wrote:

Can you also acknowledge that there is a delicious irony in using amateur status to take at least 500k a year for the last 5 years from trust funding, money that is specifically reserved for amateur sport, using that money to win a shed load of prize money (all the while celebrating as an "amateur" club) and then complaining when you aren't allowed to turn pro using that cash?� Do you really wonder why you don't get a lot of sympathy here?

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I await answers to this and my other posts half a page ago...


This this this. If you think Old didn't get enough game time at the Phoenix to prove himself BM then you're even more deluded than I thought.
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How is having a professional side coming 4th in the A-League bad for New Zealand Football?
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diego's son wrote:
I like how you're up to date on TWGF affairs...

How's KORB going?


Good, We have some occassional LOLs at the expense of the former home.

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Colvinator wrote:
How is having a professional side coming 4th in the A-League bad for New Zealand Football?
Think his whinge is he wants to see more kiwi's from the (Amatuer league) who are showing promise thrusted into either the Phoenix Team or His Dream Auckland semi professional team. The problem with his argument is that he wants it all to happen now.
 
 
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the problem is, Bluemagic is 
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Tegal wrote:
whooooooo wrote:
BlueMagic - i can't believe you were/are a journalist for football. That run-down on the game was all bullsh*t. lets be honest.

Leo the MOM ? HAHAHAHAH!! oh please. i rate McKain higher than siggy. and then that drivel about the crowd numbers..... honestly wake up. It was like 70knot winds and pouring down. I was having thoughts about not going.

and by the way - we are an Australian team based in NZ so STFU !
 
I think bluemagic is just deliberately trolling to make us think or bring up points we may not normally discuss. While he has been over the top a lot,and does seem to have an agenda and narrow minded view,you cant argue that it has made a good discussion with some good points in parts.
 
You could say im...indifferent toward him,both liking and disliking.
 
 
 
I now getting tired of the ignorant abuse, that's all a lot of you guys seem to be able to do. Some of you need to grow up. The above says a lot more about you pal than me. 
 
I'm giving you ideas and trying to get you to think about them. I'm not saying I'm right, I'm trying to make you think from a different point of view about something big and important. And it is not all bullsh*t, bollocks and all the other crap you've thrown at me!
 
Parting shots:
 
Some of you will remember when Rufer took the Kingz (a friggin' Auckland club playing in a lower profile comp than the A-League) down to Wellington and 13,000 turned up for an essentially Kiwi side with imports. We were mighty impressed, I can tell you. See, having Kiwi players isn't such a turn-off.
 
At the Kingz all the loyal supporters who wanted to could go upstairs to the bar at the stadium afterwards and have a drink with the team bosses and players (Rufer didn't come but his brother Shane often did). It was great, you could talk to Harry Ngata (great lad) and Chris Turner (who set up the Kingz) over a beer. It was great, especially in those first two seasons before the death rattle set in. It wasn't elitist or a rich-man's-toy. To me that is what footy is about. The same thing happens each City home game at Kiwitea Street. Sometimes the clubhouse is heaving. I even like turning up at some clubnights on Thursday when they put on dinner and players come back after training and meet the fans. I've had long chats with players and club bosses about the game.
 
Just out of curiosity, does that happen at the Phoenix?
 
And why was it when there was a great double-header (All whites vs Bahrain and TW vs Auckland City) on offer only a few of you bothered to go to Newtown Park. All the city boys who went down made both games fine, in fact the City fans made all the noise at Newtown Park.
 
 
 
 
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abuse?? Man up blue majic. you put your opinions and its everyones right to reply. Get over it!! Your past memories of the Knights is getting boring. Stop living in the past and get into reality.darkhorse2010-01-16 14:03:08
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Bluemagic wrote:
And why was it when there was a great double-header (All whites vs Bahrain and TW vs Auckland City) on offer only a few of you bothered to go to Newtown Park. All the city boys who went down made both games fine, in fact the City fans made all the noise at Newtown Park.
 
  


Too busy watching the Wgtn Street Football team kick bum-bum on the way to winning the inaugural NZ Street Football Champs at Queens Wharf Square, along with about 1000 other football fans.

So your blithe description of a double header does your football knowledge a disserivce- it was in fact a triple header.



BTW Auckland is super supportive of Street Football but the organisers of the event knew there was only one place to hold the first one- that is the new epicentre of football culture in NZ.


Oops joined the troll.

Salmon swim upstream

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Bluemagic, the Team Wellington vs Auckalnd City match on 14 Nov didn't attract heaps of spectators was because it was deemed to be a low quality and boring game.
 
The Kingz v Sydney Marconi match attracted 12,000 spectators at caketinw as ecasue many many thousands of tickets were given away to clubs in Wellington.
 
If you put the NZFC matches live on TV, suspect spectator number will be so low that producers will turn it of mid-stream. Reason: spectators are not that naive to watch grass grow on TV.
 
Writing football stories up and claiming to be a ACFC-diehard do not make others any less passionate about the game than you are. Bluemagic, you simply can't skirt around and make up all sorts of stories without justifications and not prepared to fight it out in the trenches.
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