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In The Zone - The End

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over 12 years ago

I agree, Kosta was the MOM. I have to tell him that via the Strathmore Fish and Chips Shop, I think they installed a little Kosta shrine after that excellent performance.

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over 12 years ago
number8 wrote:

I agree, Kosta was the MOM. I have to tell him that via the Strathmore Fish and Chips Shop, I think they installed a little Kosta shrine after that excellent performance.


I would agree that Kosta had a busy game, but not sure about MOTM.  He had more touches than I have seen him have in an AW shirt, but struggling to remember him creating a lot with those touches aside from a couple of shooting opportunities for himself from outside the box where the ball basically dribbled through to the Keeper. 

I still have not had the chance to see a replay so may be off the mark
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over 12 years ago

He provided the cross to Fallon for the second goal.

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over 12 years ago

And won a pen.


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over 12 years ago

Enjoyed the pod this week (and last week too actually) - agree Piney is a good addition.  


One thing on the analysis of both the home and away legs which I think you guys never discussed and that's the decision, in both legs, to only play two central midfielders.  I really found that strange and it really exacerbated our lack of a holding player - we don't have a natural holder so I think you need an extra player in there.  


In the away leg especially I think it would have been an obvious move to swap James for Brockie and have an extra body putting pressure on in midfield (if you assume Christie plays).  In the second leg, which was a lot of fun, we were still comically open in central midfield at times.  Again, I think a third player would have helped us to be a bit more balanced.  

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over 12 years ago

Not a bad call that, especially in the first leg where the game plan was very defensive..you'd think an extra holding midfielder would've been essential to pull it off, especially against that Mexican side at altitude. 

I get a feeling in the 2nd leg, ricki had more or less given up but chucked some kids out there and told them just to play. Of course he did hope that we'd get a couple of early goals as a result, but think he knew it was beyond us. 


Allegedly

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over 12 years ago


Funny the different opinions on Storm Roux, and mine is different to the guys on the pod too.

I reckon he was excellent getting up the line, brilliant bursting forward, however had zero end product.  He always wanted to cross, usually unsuccessfully.  It would have been nice if he looked for the short pass sometimes after making great runs.

Defensively was ok, could be better but could be worse.

Overall i think there is brilliant potential there, just needs some work on the final ball.



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over 12 years ago
Fruglo wrote:


Funny the different opinions on Storm Roux, and mine is different to the guys on the pod too.

I reckon he was excellent getting up the line, brilliant bursting forward, however had zero end product.  He always wanted to cross, usually unsuccessfully.  It would have been nice if he looked for the short pass sometimes after making great runs.

Defensively was ok, could be better but could be worse.

Overall i think there is brilliant potential there, just needs some work on the final ball.



I saw his attacking input the exact same as you. When you are crossing from RB, the guy in front of you gets nothing. In this case, Marco. I think had his crossing output been reduced to even 50%, you then bring in Marco's talent and he showed what he could do when he has the ball. I personally would have allowed Marco and Kosta more freedom as it seems they were rooted to their flanks. You could play with a rock solid DM, James, and then allow Marco and Kosta to roam in that space between James the striker. That's how I would use them because their ability to pop up anywhere along the front line makes them dangerous. Smeltz would be a perfect foil for both of them in that respects.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 12 years ago

great pod guys. But Storm for me was MOM, yes there was a lot of traffic down his side, but i dont think they picked up as the weak link, i think they attacked down there because it was their strength.


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over 12 years ago

#InTheZone V88 is out at yellowfever.co.nz/podcasts .

With Wellington Phoenix FC completing their 'everywhere but Wellington' tour winless, the pod chats through the last minute loss to Sydney FC and previews this weekend's fixture against a depleted Western Sydney Wanderers FC. Elsewhere the team discusses whether Gareth Morgan is correct in his opinion of the NZF board, while Exodus Team Wellingtonclaim their first win of the season.

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over 12 years ago

The only thing I like about it is that it is 50.50 long


Allegedly

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over 12 years ago

THat is one too many things.

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over 12 years ago

great pod. great mid week nix hit

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over 12 years ago

I think Smithy needs to stop scapegoating Huysegems

Normo's coming home

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over 12 years ago

I think ppl should stop saying scapegoat


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over 12 years ago
james dean wrote:

I think Smithy needs to stop scapegoating Huysegems


I think "scapegoating" is not a word (and certainly not a present participle).
:)

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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over 12 years ago


Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 12 years ago

Another good pod, thank you for all your time and effort guys, i love these.


Smithy really thinks we are good, like way overrates us...

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over 12 years ago
Fruglo wrote:

Smithy really thinks we are good, like way overrates us...


I believe :) Hope I'm right!

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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over 12 years ago

I also like that its number 88. Its a cool number. 

So there is 2 things I like about it. 


Allegedly

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over 12 years ago
great pods boys,favourite quote:

"...we dominated the midfield... which is not something we usually say of phoenix teams..."

surely unless waffles delivers soon hes got to go ride the pine for a bit

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over 12 years ago

Not sure if this has been pointed out but 103 games is basically only 2 years of the league

1 season = 61 games (14 rounds x 4 games + 4 playoffs and a final) so really the 1st 0-0 draw in about a season and a half.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 12 years ago

Yeah I tried to quickly correct myself.

 

Still first 0-0 in that long is surprisingly. I'm sure you wouldn't go 10 weeks in the EPL without a 0-0.

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over 12 years ago

0-0 games are a particularly awful watch so I can't imagine it would have been one for the purists.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 12 years ago
2ndBest wrote:

Yeah I tried to quickly correct myself.

 

Still first 0-0 in that long is surprisingly. I'm sure you wouldn't go 10 weeks in the EPL without a 0-0.

It is quite the stat. 
They have only had two in the Bundesliga so far this season. I think they went 8 or 9 rounds with none - which is a new record for that league.
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over 12 years ago · edited over 12 years ago · History

I know there's heaps of content about for the podcast at present, but significant news for club's long term player development is this:

Wellington Phoenix Football Academy

If you're looking for a really meaty discussion, interview Wynton Rufer, and Nate Winkel at Ole, as well as Jess Ibrom who is apparently going to be head coach at WPFA.

That whole discussion should be explored on the back of Gareth's rant about elite player development. Talk to the guys who are doing what NZF is not.

Kotahitanga. We are one.

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over 12 years ago
Global Game wrote:

I know there's heaps of content about for the podcast at present, but significant news for club's long term player development is this:

Wellington Phoenix Football Academy

If you're looking for a really meaty discussion, interview Wynton Rufer, and Nate Winkel at Ole, as well as Jess Ibrom who is apparently going to be head coach at WPFA.

That whole discussion should be explored on the back of Gareth's rant about elite player development. Talk to the guys who are doing what NZF is not.


We covered this extensively when APFA and WPX got together. We had a 15 minute interview with Andy Smith and Gio Fernandes.

Might do something more when they actually get to Wellington. At the moment though the only news is that they've moved cities, otherwise not much is new.

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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over 12 years ago

#InTheZone V89 is out at yellowfever.co.nz/podcasts.

The pod looks back at Wellington Phoenix FC's continued winless streak as they draw blank against Western Sydney Wanderers FC, and rate our chances this weekend against a depleted Perth Glory side. Elsewhere, Brian Turner hits back against the Dom Post, Oceania Football Confederation make a play for a different World Cup qualification path, and who should be in the ASB Premiership team of the decade.

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over 12 years ago

Good pod this week, glad to see Smithy pushing Hard News off the fence!!


Here's my take on the misifiring attack - I tend to roughly agree with all 3 arguments, Huysegems isn't good enough, we're not attacking with enough players so we're out numbered and we need better players

http://aleftfootforstandingon.blogspot.co.uk/

Normo's coming home

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over 12 years ago
james dean wrote:

Good pod this week, glad to see Smithy pushing Hard News off the fence!!


Here's my take on the misifiring attack - I tend to roughly agree with all 3 arguments, Huysegems isn't good enough, we're not attacking with enough players so we're out numbered and we need better players

http://aleftfootforstandingon.blogspot.co.uk/


I agree - Huysengems can't dribble and beat a player, he can't outpace anybody, his movement is awful, he can't hold the ball up, he is poor in the air, he can't finish. How he's managed to be a pro (in holland?) for years I'll never know!
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over 12 years ago
james dean wrote:

Good pod this week, glad to see Smithy pushing Hard News off the fence!!


Here's my take on the misifiring attack - I tend to roughly agree with all 3 arguments, Huysegems isn't good enough, we're not attacking with enough players so we're out numbered and we need better players

http://aleftfootforstandingon.blogspot.co.uk/

 


I agree - Huysengems can't dribble and beat a player, he can't outpace anybody, his movement is awful, he can't hold the ball up, he is poor in the air, he can't finish. How he's managed to be a pro (in holland?) for years I'll never know!


Bit harsh, I think he does make good runs but not in behind the defence and he lacks pace and he's shown at times that he's a decent finisher but he doesn't get into positions to finish very often.

Normo's coming home

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over 12 years ago

Actually the one thing he does do well is hold the ball up. Other than that I have been expected more from him.

Like JD said - we don't attack in great numbers - so if he is holding it up and lets the ball go to another player more often than not his involvement ends there because he's not a fast mover off the ball and he tends to get ahold of it and drift wide before he passes it.

He's either not that good or he's not being used in a position that suits his best attributes - whatever those are?

Fuck this stupid game

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over 12 years ago
TopLeft07 wrote:

Actually the one thing he does do well is hold the ball up. Other than that I have been expected more from him.

Like JD said - we don't attack in great numbers - so if he is holding it up and lets the ball go to another player more often than not his involvement ends there because he's not a fast mover off the ball and he tends to get ahold of it and drift wide before he passes it.

He's either not that good or he's not being used in a position that suits his best attributes - whatever those are?

this is similar to how I feel. Fantastic first touch, will never lose the ball, holds it up and lays off well for others. Never win a foot race or create for himself or others

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 12 years ago

I've been telling everyone Huysegems is rubbish for ages now, I'm glad others are finally starting to realise it too....

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over 12 years ago
Jeff Vader wrote:
TopLeft07 wrote:

Actually the one thing he does do well is hold the ball up. Other than that I have been expected more from him.

Like JD said - we don't attack in great numbers - so if he is holding it up and lets the ball go to another player more often than not his involvement ends there because he's not a fast mover off the ball and he tends to get ahold of it and drift wide before he passes it.

He's either not that good or he's not being used in a position that suits his best attributes - whatever those are?

this is similar to how I feel. Fantastic first touch, will never lose the ball, holds it up and lays off well for others. Never win a foot race or create for himself or others
I'm just waiting for him to make a penetrating pass. 

Normo's coming home

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over 12 years ago
james dean wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:
TopLeft07 wrote:

Actually the one thing he does do well is hold the ball up. Other than that I have been expected more from him.

Like JD said - we don't attack in great numbers - so if he is holding it up and lets the ball go to another player more often than not his involvement ends there because he's not a fast mover off the ball and he tends to get ahold of it and drift wide before he passes it.

He's either not that good or he's not being used in a position that suits his best attributes - whatever those are?

this is similar to how I feel. Fantastic first touch, will never lose the ball, holds it up and lays off well for others. Never win a foot race or create for himself or others

I'm just waiting for him to make a penetrating pass. 


He put one on an absolute plate with gravy for Hernandez on Sunday
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over 12 years ago

And the thing is, in terms of technical fotball ability, I think he is one of the best in the squad. 

I liken him to Brockie in that its hard to know what game plan works for him because Stein does have talent - of that there is no doubt but he is just the square peg to the Phoenix game plans round hole.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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over 12 years ago
Jeff Vader wrote:

And the thing is, in terms of technical fotball ability, I think he is one of the best in the squad. 

I liken him to Brockie in that its hard to know what game plan works for him because Stein does have talent - of that there is no doubt but he is just the square peg to the Phoenix game plans round hole.


My thoughts are he needs midfileders coming from deeper and late. He holds the ball very well, with back to goal, but does not seem to be able to turn in tight areas. The run Carlos made to get on the end of the pass from Stein is perfect fort the way he plays imo. Tim Brown anyone?
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over 12 years ago
sthn.jeff wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:

And the thing is, in terms of technical fotball ability, I think he is one of the best in the squad. 

I liken him to Brockie in that its hard to know what game plan works for him because Stein does have talent - of that there is no doubt but he is just the square peg to the Phoenix game plans round hole.


My thoughts are he needs midfileders coming from deeper and late. He holds the ball very well, with back to goal, but does not seem to be able to turn in tight areas. The run Carlos made to get on the end of the pass from Stein is perfect fort the way he plays imo. Tim Brown anyone?


Disagree - Stein plays bounce passes consistently backwards to keep possession. This is not holding up the ball and bringing others into play or getting turned and playing forwards.

How are you defining 'technical ability' Jeff Vader?
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over 12 years ago
sthn.jeff wrote:
Jeff Vader wrote:

And the thing is, in terms of technical fotball ability, I think he is one of the best in the squad. 

I liken him to Brockie in that its hard to know what game plan works for him because Stein does have talent - of that there is no doubt but he is just the square peg to the Phoenix game plans round hole.


My thoughts are he needs midfileders coming from deeper and late. He holds the ball very well, with back to goal, but does not seem to be able to turn in tight areas. The run Carlos made to get on the end of the pass from Stein is perfect fort the way he plays imo. Tim Brown anyone?


Disagree - Stein plays bounce passes consistently backwards to keep possession. This is not holding up the ball and bringing others into play or getting turned and playing forwards.


How are you defining 'technical ability' Jeff Vader?


Lost me a little there Bernie. Surely a "bounce pass" keeping possession  is not a bad thing. I said turning in tight areas is not his strong point. I gave an example of bringing others into play. Surely even a bounce pass as you call it is bringing others into play. What I am suggesting is that  he struggles to find runs made by the likes of Brockie and Kenny because they are made behind Huysegems. He simply likes, imo to play it simple and in the words of old timers play the way he is facing.
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