Wellington Phoenix Men

League table 2010/11

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OK, let's assume for arguments sake, that the Phoenix beat the Fury, giving them 38 points.

I don't think the Jets will get 7 points from their last four games, leaving them short of that tally.

I also wouldn't pick the Heart to win both of their remaining games, which would leave them short of 38 points too.

Sydney could win all three of theirs, given (as SiNZ as pointed out) their recent good form and what's on the line.  That would get them to 38. 

It could come down to goal difference.  Currently theirs is -7 (which would go to at least -4 and probably more if they won all three games) and ours is -3 (which would got to at least -5 if we lost to SFC and Adelaide, but might improve if we hammer NQF).

We need SFC to drop points somewhere, preferably to us, but if not, then to one of the others.  The problem is that if one of the others (Newcastle or Heart) beat SFC, that improves their chances.
 
The Sydney game is huge.  A point would end Sydney's season. But that will be bloody hard to get.
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Buffon II wrote:
simon_hampton wrote:
And Gold Coast?

We can still get 4th. Just.


Nah. GC will get that comfortably.
 
GC have to play the top three, so perhaps not that comfortably. They also have to play Perth, so wherever they finish, we won't catch them.
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Perennial strugglers Liverpoolfan1 wrote:

OK, let's assume for arguments sake, that the Phoenix beat the Fury, giving them 38 points.

I don't think the Jets will get 7 points from their last four games, leaving them short of that tally.

I also wouldn't pick the Heart to win both of their remaining games, which would leave them short of 38 points too.

Sydney could win all three of theirs, given (as SiNZ as pointed out) their recent good form and what's on the line.  That would get them to 38. 

It could come down to goal difference.  Currently theirs is -7 (which would go to at least -4 and probably more if they won all three games) and ours is -3 (which would got to at least -5 if we lost to SFC and Adelaide, but might improve if we hammer NQF).

We need SFC to drop points somewhere, preferably to us, but if not, then to one of the others.  The problem is that if one of the others (Newcastle or Heart) beat SFC, that improves their chances.
 
The Sydney game is huge.  A point would end Sydney's season. But that will be bloody hard to get.
 
We're on the same wavelength, but I think the Jets and Heart are done for and we want/need them to take points from Sydney.
 
Newcastle have fallen away badly. Of their last 8 matches, the only team they've beaten is the Fury. The only team they are likely to beat in the run-in is Perth. I think Newcastle are out of it and will finish on just 34 points.
 
With the Heart, they have two remaining games that are tough and they're without a win in 4 matches. I think they're out of it and will lose their remaining games to stay on 33 points - but it would be great if they could steal something from Sydney. They are our best hope for assistance.
 
Of the four teams chasing 6th spot, that leaves us and Sydney. We'll beat the Fury and can expect to lose in Adelaide. That means we're on 38 points without our match to Sydney. Unless the Heart or Jets can help us, a loss in Sydney would put us out of it.
 
It would be nice to believe that joachim's blind faith is enough, but on 6 Feb I'll be a Newcastle fan for the day and on 12 Feb I'll be a Hearts fan for the day.
 
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Im so glad you wrote that LF1. I could also see a logjam on 38 points which is why yesterday I wrote lets get the Jets game over with first. Now that's done would you agree the Sydney game is the most important of the season (again, so far)? Todays game just kept us in the hunt...

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Brilliant summation above from SiNZ. ^^
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SiNZ wrote:
brettdale wrote:
Will four more �points see us through?



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I think so. Trouble is getting that away point. Neither Adelaide or Sydney are places I'd be confident avoiding defeat at on current form.


My thoughts exactly.
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I also think it's a bit premature to write off Heart - their results may not have been all that great lately, but they haven't played badly at all. Far from inconceivable that they win their two last games, both at home.

I agree that the Jets are done, they got themselves into a good position but they sustained way too many injuries and can't see them playing much of a role in the final run-in.
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1 point on our away trip and 3 at home against the furries. It's all setup for a bumper crowd for that game.

Does anyone know if we're staying in Australia after the Adelaide game?
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Can't see how making three trans-Tasman trips in the space of a week is a good idea.
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SiNZ wrote:
Perennial strugglers Perennial strugglers Liverpoolfan1 wrote:

OK, let's assume for arguments sake, that the Phoenix beat the Fury, giving them 38 points.


I don't think the Jets will get 7 points from their last four games, leaving them short of that tally.



I also wouldn't pick the Heart to win both of their remaining games, which would leave them short of 38 points too.


Sydney could win all three of theirs, given (as SiNZ as pointed out) their recent good form and what's on the line.� That would get them to 38.�


It could come down to goal difference.� Currently theirs is -7 (which would go to at least -4 and probably more�if they won all three games) and ours is -3 (which would got to at least -5 if we lost to SFC and Adelaide, but might improve if we hammer NQF).


We need SFC to drop points somewhere, preferably to us, but if not, then to one of the others.� The problem is that if one of the others (Newcastle or Heart) beat SFC, that improves their chances.

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The Sydney game is huge.� A point would end Sydney's season. But that will be bloody hard to get.

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We're on the same wavelength, but I think the Jets and Heart are done for and we want/need them to take points from Sydney.

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Newcastle have fallen away badly. Of their last 8 matches, the only team they've beaten is the Fury. The only team they are likely to beat in the run-in is Perth. I think Newcastle are out of it and will finish on just 34 points.

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With the Heart, they have two remaining games that are tough and they're without a win in 4 matches. I think they're out of it and will lose their remaining games to stay on 33 points - but it would be great if they could steal something from Sydney. They are our best hope for assistance.

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Of the four teams chasing 6th spot, that leaves us and Sydney. We'll beat the Fury and can expect to lose in Adelaide. That means we're on 38 points without our match to Sydney. Unless the Heart or Jets can help us, a loss in Sydney would put us out of it.

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It would be nice to believe that joachim's blind faith is enough, but on 6 Feb I'll be a Newcastle fan for the day and on 12 Feb I'll be a Hearts fan for the day.

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Insightful and photogenic too! (Well, the other 'alf)
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Mr Negative here: The last three games will be over 8 days as well.  Slight plus is that the first 2 are in OZ so that should minimise travel.  Big minuses are our away form and suspensions.
 
If we scrape into 6th it will be a pretty amazing outcome for what has been a rather (below?) average season.  I hope we do because I don't like the idea of BBS poking his "stick" in my general direction.
 
 
 

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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I don't like saying it but reckon Sydney will scrape through.

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We see what you're doing George.Nice.

  Improving,,on the up, a work in progress from Italiano and the Nix. Bring on the bathroom bling in '24! COYN!

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SiNZ wrote:
Perennial strugglers Perennial strugglers Perennial strugglers Perennial strugglers Liverpoolfan1 wrote:

OK, let's assume for arguments sake, that the Phoenix beat the Fury, giving them 38 points.

I don't think the Jets will get 7 points from their last four games, leaving them short of that tally.

I also wouldn't pick the Heart to win both of their remaining games, which would leave them short of 38 points too.

Sydney could win all three of theirs, given (as SiNZ as pointed out) their recent good form and what's on the line.  That would get them to 38. 

It could come down to goal difference.  Currently theirs is -7 (which would go to at least -4 and probably more if they won all three games) and ours is -3 (which would got to at least -5 if we lost to SFC and Adelaide, but might improve if we hammer NQF).

We need SFC to drop points somewhere, preferably to us, but if not, then to one of the others.  The problem is that if one of the others (Newcastle or Heart) beat SFC, that improves their chances.
 
The Sydney game is huge.  A point would end Sydney's season. But that will be bloody hard to get.
 
We're on the same wavelength, but I think the Jets and Heart are done for and we want/need them to take points from Sydney.
 
Newcastle have fallen away badly. Of their last 8 matches, the only team they've beaten is the Fury. The only team they are likely to beat in the run-in is Perth. I think Newcastle are out of it and will finish on just 34 points.
 
With the Heart, they have two remaining games that are tough and they're without a win in 4 matches. I think they're out of it and will lose their remaining games to stay on 33 points - but it would be great if they could steal something from Sydney. They are our best hope for assistance.
 
Of the four teams chasing 6th spot, that leaves us and Sydney. We'll beat the Fury and can expect to lose in Adelaide. That means we're on 38 points without our match to Sydney. Unless the Heart or Jets can help us, a loss in Sydney would put us out of it.
 
It would be nice to believe that joachim's blind faith is enough, but on 6 Feb I'll be a Newcastle fan for the day and on 12 Feb I'll be a Hearts fan for the day.
 

Do you think the Ginger  Eejit could be a Hearts fan for a day ?
That I would like to see?
Kiwi Jambo2011-01-31 21:32:53

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George Kostanza wrote:

I don't like saying it but reckon Sydney will scrape through.



Brosque is gone

that helps lots i think

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Form table - last five games

  P W D L F A PTS Sydney FC 5 3 2 0 9 4 11 Central Coast Mariners 5 3 2 0 11 7 11 Brisbane Roar 5 3 2 0 9 5 11 Adelaide United 5 3 0 2 15 5 9 Wellington Phoenix 5 3 0 2 7 3 9 Melbourne Victory 5 2 2 1 9 7 8 Gold Coast United 5 2 1 2 10 6 7 Melbourne Heart 5 1 3 1 7 6 6 Newcastle Jets 5 2 0 3 5 9 6 Perth Glory 5 0 2 3 3 10 2 North Queensland Fury 5 0 0 5 2 19 0

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detoxin wrote:
George Kostanza wrote:

I don't like saying it but reckon Sydney will scrape through.



Brosque is gone

that helps lots i think


He has not played for weeks anyaway.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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Junior82 wrote:
Mr Negative here: The last three games will be over 8 days as well.  Slight plus is that the first 2 are in OZ so that should minimise travel.  Big minuses are our away form and suspensions.
 
If we scrape into 6th it will be a pretty amazing outcome for what has been a rather (below?) average season.  I hope we do because I don't like the idea of BBS poking his "stick" in my general direction.
 
 
 
 
Would serve you right though. There is no place for you glass-half-full types.
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Leggy wrote:
detoxin wrote:
George Kostanza wrote:

I don't like saying it but reckon Sydney will scrape through.



Brosque is gone

that helps lots i think


He has not played for weeks anyaway.


now don't i feel like an idiot...
mind you i don't watch Sydney play.... i prefer teams that use their feet

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Chris Payne (same first name a Beath) has gone to NQF and is out with a knee injury (which of course doesn't affect his favoured goal scoring hand).

He really must not have wanted to come here.

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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Junior82 wrote:
Chris Payne (same first name a Beath) has gone to NQF and is out with a knee injury (which of course doesn't affect his favoured goal scoring hand).

He really must not have wanted to come here.

Thats twice now. Never been here since the Hand of Payne incident.Chicken.

  Improving,,on the up, a work in progress from Italiano and the Nix. Bring on the bathroom bling in '24! COYN!

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He should be
You know we belong together...

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I have phaith in the phoenix in Adelaide!     Phoenix 2- Adelaide 1 (that was our last score against them)
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Melbourne Victory 2 Newcastle Jets 0

  Pl W D L F A GD Pts Brisbane Roar 28 16 11 1 52 25 27 59 Central Coast Mariners 27 14 8 5 45 29 16 50 Adelaide United 27 14 4 9 49 34 15 46 Melbourne Victory 29 11 10 8 44 37 7 43 Gold Coast United 26 11 9 6 37 24 13 42 Wellington Phoenix 27 10 5 12 35 38 -3 35 Melbourne Heart 28 8 9 11 29 39 -10 33 Newcastle Jets 27 8 7 12 24 31 -7 31 Sydney FC 27 7 8 12 30 37 -7 29 Perth Glory 28 5 8 15 26 48 -22 23 North Queensland Fury 28 4 7 17 26 55 -29 19

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woah victory have overtaken GCU!!! But GCU with games in hand.
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Mathmatically wellington can still have a home final... Give it all boyz
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If Melbourne lose their last game. Then GCU lose their last 3 while we win our last 3.

Heading off to the tab tomorrow Tegal2011-02-03 00:49:03

Allegedly

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GCU 0 Adelaide United 0

  Pl W D L F A GD Pts Brisbane Roar 28 16 11 1 52 25 27 59 Central Coast Mariners 27 14 8 5 45 29 16 50 Adelaide United 28 14 5 9 49 34 15 47 Gold Coast United 27 11 10 6 37 24 13 43 Melbourne Victory 29 11 10 8 44 37 7 43 Wellington Phoenix 27 10 5 12 35 38 -3 35 Melbourne Heart 28 8 9 11 29 39 -10 33 Newcastle Jets 27 8 7 12 24 31 -7 31 Sydney FC 27 7 8 12 30 37 -7 29 Perth Glory 28 5 8 15 26 48 -22 23 North Queensland Fury 28 4 7 17 26 55 -29 19

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about 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Even if we make the 6, we really need Adeliade not to get 3rd place.
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Remaining games....
 
Wellington Phoenix
Adelaide United FC (A)
Sydney FC (A)
North Queensland Fury (H)
 
Melboure Heart
Central Coast Mariners FC (H)
Sydney FC (H)
 
Newcastle Jets
Sydney FC (H)
Perth Glory FC (H)
Central Coast Mariners FC (A)
 
Sydney
Newcastle Jets (A)
Wellington Phoenix (H)
Melbourne Heart (A)
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Loser of the Jets/Sydney game are practically gone.
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Oh the difference that GD makes at the moment.

There is a chance that a few draws from other teams could squeeze the table in the last round, so Nix need to ensure there are no 'we surrender' performances in the next two away matches.

Adelaide haven't been playing all that flash lately, Jets are on an awesome run of losses/injuries/suspensions and Heart have been average also.

We need Sydney to get a few 0-0 draws, and then score 7-0 over Fury in the last game.
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2ndBest wrote:
Loser of the Jets/Sydney game are practically gone.
 
and Sydney Nix and Hearts Sydney.....a betting non Nix fan person would pick Sydney to take 6th.

A small town in Europe........looking to bounce straight back up....well that aint going to happen

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about 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Look at those odds on us making 6th

http://www.tab.com.au/Sports/Betting/PlaceFixedOddsBet.aspx?State=2&LocationCode=0&Competition=810&ContestCode=147002&ContestDate=2011-03-12T00%3a00%3a00&MeetingType=3
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about 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
cant access tab at work what are the odds?
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about 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Wow, i'd take those odds on Sydney. 13-1 is great money.
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about 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
As well as beating North Queensland at home we absolutely have to take at least a point from Sydney or Adelaide as not getting the three points off us would kill off Sydney, and Heart's last two games are at home and are winnable.
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loyalgunner wrote:
As well as beating North Queensland at home we absolutely have to take at least a point from Sydney or Adelaide as not getting the three points off us would kill off Sydney, and Heart's last two games are at home and are winnable.

I agree, we need 39 points at least. I don't see Jets getting enough and that would be more than Sydney can get; that leaves Heart a chance to get to 39 but with an inferior goal difference to us
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paulm wrote:
cant access tab at work what are the odds?


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about 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Four points (a win and a draw) and we will be through.

Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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