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Lonegunmen wrote:
Hopefully Leo has learned one thing from Rojas - not to be afraid to run at defenders and take them on instead of backwards passing.

Aye? Leo does this more than most. Hes also the only other player who will pull the step over out of the bag - something which is lost on 99% of kiwi footballers, and never encouraged or coached.
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good luck sitting on the bench for 2/3rds of a season Rojas, hope its warm.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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Guys, I had some sleep, and I had some pudding, and I'm really okay now.
Rojas, I think your a judas, and that going to Melbourne won't do anything for your career, but I'm over the angst now.
Just do whatever you want.
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yeah do what you want in the youth team!

Queenslander 3x a year.

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Good on him. He was snubbed by Ricki Herbert for a year a half, then when he was forced to play him he acted like he had known all along what a great talent he was. Need proof? Has the kid ever played national representitive football for New Zealand despite living here his whole life?
 
 
 
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snubbed??? he was coming back from a end of season injury so riocki phased him into the team, as soon as he'd shopwn his ability he had a starting spot.....Ernie isn't gooing to throw him a start first game, he'll be lucky to see any first team game time this season.

Queenslander 3x a year.

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snowy003 wrote:
 
Good on him. He was snubbed by Ricki Herbert for a year a half, then when he was forced to play him he acted like he had known all along what a great talent he was. Need proof? Has the kid ever played national representitive football for New Zealand despite living here his whole life?
 
 
 
 
First post? Your surname isn't Rojas is it?!? All the best Marco, hope you go well, learn alot, then come back to the Nix.

Pathetic. Not apathetic.

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Do we think this likely? That the real issue is that Marco/Rodi hate Ricki for not having picked him earlier and just want to twist the knife?

It's possible. Some "identities" on the football scene in this country just hate Ricki and consider him a talentless fraud.

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snowy003 wrote:

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Good on him. He was snubbed by Ricki Herbert for a year a half, then when he was forced to play him he acted like he had known all along what a great talent he was. Need proof? Has the kid ever played national representitive football for New Zealand despite living here his whole life?

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I hope you enjoy Melbourne, Rojas' dad.

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I'm glad I missed this thread. I'm the opposite of charliec and auskiwi - they only show up to attack and abuse the Nix, I only post here when I'm in a good mood. (Not counting the times that Skippy takes over.)

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Arsenal wrote:
snowy003 wrote:

 

Good on him. He was snubbed by Ricki Herbert for a year a half, then when he was forced to play him he acted like he had known all along what a great talent he was. Need proof? Has the kid ever played national representitive football for New Zealand despite living here his whole life?
 

 

 

 


I hope you enjoy Melbourne, Rojas' dad.
 
Good luck to you marco..you may need it. Time to move on for the rest of us. We will get a replacement and hopefully a new star in the making
paullt2011-02-28 08:58:54

" If you only have a hammer you tend to see every problem as a nail" - maslow

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Marcwho?
E + R + O

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Gutted. Very sad and I don't really understand the reasoning behind this. Was he unhappy here? Does he really see the club in such a negative light from a skill level perspective? Or is there something going on behind the scenes we don't know about? I'm hoping it is just his personal view and nothing more widespread.

As a career move going to Melbourne seems quite risky. Hes still young so even if he fails it won't be the end of the world, but I can see his career stalling. Not being assured a start, the manager who signed him is under a leadership cloud, different style of football, and its just a new scene to get used to in a bigger city. A lot of things could go wrong. I'm struggling to see how he expects things to go better on a personal level than they did this year. He should've been trying to make sure what he managed could be maintained accross an entire season while improving his weaknesses and gaining a bit of strength. If he achieved that he would be in a very solid position careerwise. Instead he seems dead keen for a positional switch which I just don't see happenening at Melbourne. He has the skill and the vision to play central but he will not get anywhere near as much time and room in close. He will need to use his body much better and be more aggressive in winning those 50/50s. If Carlos is set free, Melbourne will most likely splash out on another marquee player to fill that role. I don't see them having enough blind faith in him to plan for him holding that position for the season. Unless they change to a 442 but then he will be playing on the wing again. At the moment the most likely way I see him being used is as an impact sub.

As a player I would have thought you would want to avoid a reputation for a lack of loyalty. Not sure if this will matter or not but as a european manager looking to take a risk on on a young player from the a-league, character would be quite important.

From a Phoenix point of view it is a huge loss. He was vital to the formlift in the second half of the season. Not saying he is irreplaceable but it is not going to be easy. I was just looking forward to a few less than impressive signings running out to free up some money.

oh well, at least the first home game against them is going to be fun.

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snowy003 wrote:
Good on him. He was snubbed by Ricki Herbert for a year a half, then when he was forced to play him he acted like he had known all along what a great talent he was. Need proof? Has the kid ever played national representitive football for New Zealand despite living here his whole life?
 
Sounds quite personal. He did sign him in the first place as a 17? year old. Not Ricki's fault he wasn't picked for age grade national teams. Or are you suggesting he should've gone to the world cup?
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Very disappointed that none of our posts got into the DP story this morning.
 
C'mon NBR there's still time.
 

"Phoenix till they lose"

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snowy003 wrote:
 
Good on him. He was snubbed by Ricki Herbert for a year a half, then when he was forced to play him he acted like he had known all along what a great talent he was. Need proof? Has the kid ever played national representitive football for New Zealand despite living here his whole life?
 
 
 
He was injured

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Feverish wrote:
snowy003 wrote:
 
Good on him. He was snubbed by Ricki Herbert for a year a half, then when he was forced to play him he acted like he had known all along what a great talent he was. Need proof? Has the kid ever played national representitive football for New Zealand despite living here his whole life?
 
 
 
He was injured
 
Some people also have short memories. In his appearances during the 2009/10 season he really did not look anything like the player we have seen in the last few months.
 
 

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I think its a shame he left for a club in the same league. Could understand a move offshore, but Melbourne- just gutting.
 
Do you think this will affect his selection for the AW's for the upcoming games?
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I think its�a shame he left for a club in the same league. Could understand a move offshore, but Melbourne- just gutting.
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Do you think this will affect his selection for the AW's for the upcoming games?

No.
E + R + O

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rjmiller wrote:

Gutted. Very sad and I don't really understand the reasoning behind this. Was he unhappy here? Does he really see the club in such a negative light from a skill level perspective? Or is there something going on behind the scenes we don't know about? I'm hoping it is just his personal view and nothing more widespread.

As a career move going to Melbourne seems quite risky. Hes still young so even if he fails it won't be the end of the world, but I can see his career stalling. Not being assured a start, the manager who signed him is under a leadership cloud, different style of football, and its just a new scene to get used to in a bigger city. A lot of things could go wrong. I'm struggling to see how he expects things to go better on a personal level than they did this year. He should've been trying to make sure what he managed could be maintained accross an entire season while improving his weaknesses and gaining a bit of strength. If he achieved that he would be in a very solid position careerwise. Instead he seems dead keen for a positional switch which I just don't see happenening at Melbourne. He has the skill and the vision to play central but he will not get anywhere near as much time and room in close. He will need to use his body much better and be more aggressive in winning those 50/50s. If Carlos is set free, Melbourne will most likely splash out on another marquee player to fill that role. I don't see them having enough blind faith in him to plan for him holding that position for the season. Unless they change to a 442 but then he will be playing on the wing again. At the moment the most likely way I see him being used is as an impact sub.

As a player I would have thought you would want to avoid a reputation for a lack of loyalty. Not sure if this will matter or not but as a european manager looking to take a risk on on a young player from the a-league, character would be quite important.

From a Phoenix point of view it is a huge loss. He was vital to the formlift in the second half of the season. Not saying he is irreplaceable but it is not going to be easy. I was just looking forward to a few less than impressive signings running out to free up some money.

oh well, at least the first home game against them is going to be fun.

 
I agree with 99% of this.
 
Good post.
 

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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What is the 1% you don't agree with?
 
 
 
Rojas eunt domus!

"Phoenix till they lose"

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Junior82 wrote:
What is the 1% you don't agree with?
 
 
 
Rojas eunt domus!
 
As previously posted I reckon the loyalty thing has been overdone.
 
I think people have to respect that from his perspective there are good reasons to move that outweigh his desire to be loyal to the fans here.
 
I also don't think that it's likely a player would get a reputation for being disloyal just for leaving a club at the end of his contract for a bigger club in the same league. 
 
 

Incredible stamina. No shame. Yellow Fever.

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Smithy wrote:
Junior82 wrote:
What is the 1% you don't agree with?
 
 
 
Rojas eunt domus!
 
As previously posted I reckon the loyalty thing has been overdone.
 
I think people have to respect that from his perspective there are good reasons to move that outweigh his desire to be loyal to the fans here.
 
I also don't think that it's likely a player would get a reputation for being disloyal just for leaving a club at the end of his contract for a bigger club in the same league. 
 
 
Are you Matt Carnihan in disguise?

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I don't see many positive reasons for his move. Therefore the value he places on loyalty ti the club must be very very low,coupled with perhaps he didn't like playing for us for whatever reason.

It's a strange move.

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Marcooooo, Marcooooo. You used to be good, you used to be good Marcoooo.
 
Shame that he's gone, especially to the Victory.  Was looking forward to seeing him mature in the nix, guess I'll be heckling him from the stands instead.  Initially I thought he might be so scared of the wrong Muscat that he joined his team so he wouldn't be cut down, but that's not an issue anymore.
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Smithy wrote:
 As previously posted I reckon the loyalty thing has been overdone.
 
I think people have to respect that from his perspective there are good reasons to move that outweigh his desire to be loyal to the fans here.
 
I also don't think that it's likely a player would get a reputation for being disloyal just for leaving a club at the end of his contract for a bigger club in the same league. 
Yeah fair enough. I do think pro-footballers shouldn't take their lifestyle for granted though. Ultimately it all comes down to the fans who allow them to play football for a living and I don't think they should ever lose sight of that. And it's also about loyalty to your team mates and all those involved directly within the club. Presumably they have been helping him as much as they can. He has payed some of that back of course, he did really help salvage the season with his performances. I personally would have felt quite disloyal leaving in these circumstances if it was me.
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Saddest day for the Phoenix?
 
Or maybe even New Zealand football?

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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re RJ Miller above

That could be outweighed though by the promise of bigger and better things to come. None of us on here know what has been offered to him, but it supposedly is better than being at the Nix.

Amongst the factors that they (he and his protective father) took into consideration might be the longterm security of the club, a greater chance to be in a finals series and with it going to a higher level of competition in the ACL. Look at Melbournes record in those regards and try and hold a young man back, just for the sake of loyalty, when you have already been with your struggling club for 2 years


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Tegal wrote:
I don't see many positive reasons for his move. Therefore the value he places on loyalty ti the club must be very very low,coupled with perhaps he didn't like playing for us for whatever reason.

It's a strange move.
You're assuming you know the same information that he does.
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It's not just for the sake of loyalty. Previous post stated other reasons why I think this is a risky move from him with not one hell of a lot to gain.
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Smithy wrote:
Junior82 wrote:
What is the 1% you don't agree with?
 
 
 
Rojas eunt domus!
 
As previously posted I reckon the loyalty thing has been overdone.
 
I think people have to respect that from his perspective there are good reasons to move that outweigh his desire to be loyal to the fans here.
 
I also don't think that it's likely a player would get a reputation for being disloyal just for leaving a club at the end of his contract for a bigger club in the same league. 
 
 
I agree with you re loyalty from his perspective.  From the other end it's still a very bitter pill to swallow (hence the bile here).
 
I would like to find out definitvely what his good reasons are (sorry - playing CAM isn't a good reason).
 
Last post for me on this rather odious piece of business.  Onwards and outwards for the rest of the off-season.
 
 
Junior822011-02-28 10:41:10

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My best mate has three youngsters....they are all crazy about the Nix. Last home game they queued for 30 mins to get Rojas's autograph. They worship him.
Now they keep asking their Dad..."why has Marcos left the Phoenix, Dad"
 
What do you say? Coz he thinks the Nix play shiite football?.....there is nothing you can say. its a sad sad day for all Nix supporters, but especially the kids.
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rjmiller wrote:

Gutted. Very sad and I don't really understand the reasoning behind this. Was he unhappy here? Does he really see the club in such a negative light from a skill level perspective? Or is there something going on behind the scenes we don't know about? I'm hoping it is just his personal view and nothing more widespread.


As a career move going to Melbourne seems quite risky. Hes still young so even if he fails it won't be the end of the world, but I can see his career stalling. Not being assured a start, the manager who signed him is under a leadership cloud, different style of football, and its just a new scene to get used to in a bigger city. A lot of things could go wrong. I'm struggling to see how he expects things to go better on a personal level than they did this year. He should've been trying to make sure what he managed could be maintained accross an entire season while improving his weaknesses and gaining a bit of strength. If he achieved that he would be in a very solid position careerwise. Instead he seems dead keen for a positional switch which I just don't see happenening at Melbourne. He has the skill and the vision to play central but he will not get anywhere near as much time and room in close. He will need to use his body much better and be more aggressive in winning those 50/50s. If Carlos is set free, Melbourne will most likely splash out on another marquee player to fill that role. I don't see them having enough blind faith in him to plan for him holding that position for the season. Unless they change to a 442 but then he will be playing on the wing again. At the moment the most likely way I see him being used is as an impact sub.


As a player I would have thought you would want to avoid a reputation for a lack of loyalty. Not sure if this will matter or not but as a european manager looking to take a risk on on a young player from the a-league, character would be quite important.

From a Phoenix point of view it is a huge loss. He was vital to the formlift in the second half of the season. Not saying he is irreplaceable but it is not going to be easy. I was just looking forward to a few less than impressive signings running out to free up some money.


oh well, at least the first home game against them is going to be fun.



Good post.
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2ndBest wrote:
Tegal wrote:
I don't see many positive reasons for his move. Therefore the value he places on loyalty ti the club must be very very low,coupled with perhaps he didn't like playing for us for whatever reason.

It's a strange move.
You're assuming you know the same information that he does.
 
Of course. I can only form an opinion based on the information I have.
 
New information could change that opinion,but at the moment I remain pissed off.
Tegal2011-02-28 11:06:09

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It's a bit like how we feel at Coastal Spirti Football Club when we work long and hard to train up highly skilled players only to lose the pick of them season after season.


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I've been looking through the Oz football sites.  Surprisingly most fans over there feel sorry for the YF.
 
This from the 442....." The question the Nix fans should be asking is why do these young guns see better opportunities to develop elsewhere in the A-League......surely that is a failing of the club and Herbert"
 
and..."herbert played the lad, yet he still wants out, whats up with that?....is there a broader problem at Wello?"
 
 
 
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zinidane wrote:
This from the 442....." The question the Nix fans should be asking is why do these young guns see better opportunities to develop elsewhere in the A-League......surely that is a failing of the club and Herbert"
 
and..."herbert played the lad, yet he still wants out, whats up with that?....is there a broader problem at Wello?"
That's what scares me the most.
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Im disappointed that he has gone because it is good for the kids to associate with a young kiwi success story. At Adelaide every 2nd Jersey sold has Leckie on the back, Rojas could have had that sort of impact.

On the other hand it is another Kiwi filling a spot in an Australian team. Smeltz, Brockie, Kosta, Moss, Rojas..
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Broader problem... blah, blah blah... Wellington doomed... nix play shiiite football... it's like reading an NBR article.

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I guess a lot of people don't understand the reasoning. Some sort of internal problem is the most probable speculation one can come up with

Allegedly

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