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Newcastle Jest Match Thread

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Right - we sent a conservative lineup away and it hasn't worked, so next week it's all out attack.

Paston

Muscat Sigmund Lochhead

Hearfield Daniel Diego Bertos

Costa

Ifill Greenacre

Bench:
Chen
Rojas
Lia
Crowther


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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Atleast we managed to keep something consistent. Another terrible game by our back four.

It's not all their fault though, M'kain and brown were nowhere. When they did get the ball, they missed time passes, couldn't read the field very well. Would of rather Ferrante start.


If we continue to be like this, I can see us losing big to the bigger teams in the comp. Through the whole game I kept thinking how we would be smashed by Brisbane's and Sydney's counterattacking or Melbourne and Gold Coasts front three. Going to be a long season if our defence ain't fixed.
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Everyone else had a good game you say? What did Lochead offer, sweet F ALL! He is absolute rubbish along with McKain. We better play a more attacking team at home!

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
disco_mart wrote:
Greenacre looked very good today, great play from Hearfield, Sea Monster and Bertos

What were Durante, McKain and Brown doing?  The three of them were rubbish tonight. 

And why did Ricky sub Hearfield, he played well, Diego and Daniel should have come into the central midfield to replace McKain and Brown.

Why did you leave Costa at home Ricky, we look sterile up front, esp when Ifil came off.


+1
McKain and Brown should have been hooked on the 30.
Down a goal with 6 to go and we looked like we were playing for a draw.
Bertos, Siggy,Greenacre, Hearfield, Ifill =
 
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
bertos was excellent, hearfield greenacre and ifill were great too.
 
the defense was shocking
 
brown.. off.
 
MoM for me was bertos.
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Only highlight was Leo and Greeny and good to see Ifill getting ago. Sooner he is fit the better..

Rest of the side looks pathetic. espc "Mr I only play the long ball" Durrante..
 
Our strikers are going to have to live to learn they won't get the ball their use to and will have to live off the scraps.
 
 
Long season here we go..

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Mckains alright in the mid but he needs sum1 to collect the ball off him. Brown just doesnt want to get on the ball.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Ehhh, hearfield was average wasn;'t he?

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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Scottishbhoy wrote:
Ehhh, hearfield was average wasn;'t he?
 
Thought he was OK actually. He was subbed off at the right time too, because he'd definitely run out of gas by the 75th minute.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
the thing about Paston is - he is glued to the goal line - he is so slow at comming off it (unlike Crowther, who is ALWAYS at the edge of the 18 yard box)

it was wrong to play 2 defensive midfielders (mckain, brown) they don't like going forward and always pass back.

oh and knobhead ?????

get that prick on the bench.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
agree with 12, we can not have to dm in our team especially when we play a 4 - 5 - 1. How are we expected to keep possession up the front third of the field then.
 
To early to write us off as some are doing already. there were positives like Bertos seemingly getting his delivery going this year and greeny plus Ifil looking good. But until we keep the ball in the middle of the park we will struggle.
 
Mckain and Ferrante should be our number 1 mid field option or Mckain Diego.
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Scottishbhoy wrote:
Ehhh, hearfield was average wasn;'t he?


We obviously didn't watch the same game, he had a couple of decent shots, some good balls into the area, helped out our sh*te defense and beat quite a few players.  Him and Bertos played well on the wings.
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whooooooo wrote:
the thing about Paston is - he is glued to the goal line - he is so slow at comming off it (unlike Crowther, who is ALWAYS at the edge of the 18 yard box)

it was wrong to play 2 defensive midfielders (mckain, brown) they don't like going forward and always pass back.

oh and knobhead ?????

get that prick on the bench.
 
Uhm, where have you seen him play?
 
Who's knobhead?

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
disco_mart wrote:
Scottishbhoy wrote:
Ehhh, hearfield was average wasn;'t he?


We obviously didn't watch the same game, he had a couple of decent shots, some good balls into the area, helped out our sh*te defense and beat quite a few players.  Him and Bertos played well on the wings.
 
Thought Bertos was great.

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
hearfield is developing reasonably ands often displats a good touch, if he can learn to keep his head together for 80m instead of 60 mins he could prove influential
 
probably more a qn of experience than fitness, he might need someone to have a word at different points in the game when his concentration appears to lapse
 
perhaps he is trying too hard and needs to learn to pace himself (again, a 'minder' might help)
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Scottishbhoy wrote:
Ehhh, hearfield was average wasn;'t he?


below average imo. couldn't get past the Italian at all.

and Mckain ????

wtf was that at the end ?

where he had Daniel on his right unmarked and Greenacre running into the penalty box with 2 on him ?

what does he do ?

tries to put the through ball to Greenacre, it bounces off the defenders leg and they run counter attack which leads to a corner.

get that sack of sh*t off.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Pasotn was fine, the first goal was one on one on the edge of the 18, nothing he could do there.
 
Its hard to hold onto a point blank range shot from 12 yards, so i will forgive him there for not holding it, especially with the sh*t d that lead to the initial shot.
 
And the thir one guy gets the ball on the edge of the 6 yard box(about 8 yards out) in the center and heads low into the far corner, no keeper would have got that.
 
people see a 3 next to the score sheet and always look to he goalie, but honestly, i do prefer moss, but he would of not saved any of them!
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Scottishbhoy wrote:
whooooooo wrote:
the thing about Paston is - he is glued to the goal line - he is so slow at comming off it (unlike Crowther, who is ALWAYS at the edge of the 18 yard box)

it was wrong to play 2 defensive midfielders (mckain, brown) they don't like going forward and always pass back.

oh and knobhead ?????

get that prick on the bench.
 
Uhm, where have you seen him play?
 
Who's knobhead?


Knobhead = lochhead

Crowther = i have seen him play 3 times for QPR (when i was in England) and against the western suburbs (training match)
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atleast we managed to score 2 goals, they were both pretty lucky but its good for greenacre to get that confidence.
 
 
anyone think ifill was looking quite baulky??
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Heartbreaking result. You would think after a full season together our back four would be capable of a display that looked at least semi-professional. Those mistakes would be laughable even at high school level.
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TouchMe wrote:
Pasotn was fine, the first goal was one on one on the edge of the 18, nothing he could do there.
 
Its hard to hold onto a point blank range shot from 12 yards, so i will forgive him there for not holding it, especially with the sh*t d that lead to the initial shot.
 
And the thir one guy gets the ball on the edge of the 6 yard box(about 8 yards out) in the center and heads low into the far corner, no keeper would have got that.
 
people see a 3 next to the score sheet and always look to he goalie, but honestly, i do prefer moss, but he would of not saved any of them!


Probably true but I'm not sure that Mossy would have parried the shot into the path of the unmarked striker.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Interesting to not that the consensus leading up to the match was that being the first game of the season and away at that Ricki would play a more conservative DM formation with Mckain and Brown. Still seems like the sensible option to me but fact is they were both well below par.
 
McKain irritates me  because he has so much Euro/fringe Socceroo experience yet he only turns in a really top class game about 3-4 times a season. Other than that he is solid, but nothing more.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Like a lot of us passionate supporters I am pissd off with the result , but look its only the firsst game, I fill has just fitting into the team( I am surprised that Ricki had both new strikers starting).Lets hope that they perform a hell of a lot better next week , otherwise the attendence numbers wil be lower than last season.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Back four were rubbish. Thought we looked good going forward though. Hearfield and Bertos impressed me most.

Can't blame Paston he was hardly the reason why we dropped three points. And he was much more solid than the other keeper.

Three for me, and two for them.

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Even if we had Buffon in goal, with our defence goals will be leaked.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
The back 4 were not working as a defence to the standard ,releasing Dodd was good or bad choice???
kiwikev2009-08-09 19:22:23
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Mark Paston - doesn't seem to have a commanding presence in the penalty area. 5/10

Manny Muscat - no more than solid individually but cut adrift from the rest of the back four. 5/10

Andrew Durante - out of position for the first goal, nowhere to be seen for the second and unable to marshall the defence. 5/10

Ben Sigmund - He shows he cares, puts himself about, scored a decent goal and was generally the best performed of a woeful back four. 7/10.

Tony Lochhead - Plays by himself out on the left. Covered one Jets attack to prevent a goal but adds little going forward, isn't cohesive with the other three. 5/10.

Jon McKain - Poor passing on the counter-attack and as WP's only midfield option going forward was poor. 6/10.

Tim Brown - You can't play Brown and McKain in the engine room together - it's either one or the other based on today's performance. 6/10.

Troy Hearfield - Had a better second half than first but didn't set pulses racing at any point. 6/10.

Leo Bertos - I think Leo Bertos was cupable for the opener when he missed one tackle and then a second opportunity a second later. Improved dramatically in the second half and, as the commentary team said, just lacked a goal or two. 8/10.

Chris Greenacre - Goal on debut thanks to bad error by the Jets GK. It will be tough for him if he's going to feed off hopeful long balls this season.

Paul Ifill - Busy performance and could be an asset alongside Greenacre. Let's hope service to these two improves before they get sucked into going after the ball rather than being given it. 7/10.

Diego - Terrible. 3/10.

Daniel - Ineffective. 3/10.

Summary

Early days yet but already some areas of concern - passing going forward is suspect, the back four is highly suspect. I'm also not convinced by Paston - three goals, one save. Greenacre and Ifill looked reasonably good and the quality of service to them is going to be crucial.

Bertos may be better in the midfield role occupied by McKain? Or behind the front two? He is a far better creative force than McKain for me - could he operate in there with Brown? or Brown and another holding midfielder?

Too many wayward passes that led to counter-attacks by the Jets - WP could get punished cruelly by more sophisticated attacking units like Melbourne.

Two goals away from home is positive and, despite the paucity of quality in some areas of the pitch, I thought, overall, the WP deserved a draw. Mikhailichenko2009-08-09 19:24:40
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
it wasnt paston that stuffed it for us it was our defensive players. although siggy did play well at times, as a unit with dura they wer rubish.
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StopOut wrote:
Interesting to not that the consensus leading up to the match was that being the first game of the season and away at that Ricki would play a more conservative DM formation with Mckain and Brown. Still seems like the sensible option to me but fact is they were both well below par.
 
McKain irritates me  because he has so much Euro/fringe Socceroo experience yet he only turns in a really top class game about 3-4 times a season. Other than that he is solid, but nothing more.


That was the consensus because Ricky has never played attacking footie (he was a defender, the AKL teams he managed were boring, and look at the AWs). 

We should have taken advantage of the mess they were in and played an attacking 11 and pulled the offensive players if sh*t hit the fan, not go out for a 0-0 draw. That was my opinion before the team to fly out was announced and clearly still is now.
disco_mart2009-08-09 19:25:27
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
defence was minging.lochead hasnt looked like hes improved from last season.brown and mckain will not work together this season,change that asap otherwise its going to be a long season.the poms looked quality.paston looks very very slow..
 
lets get a good turn-out next week
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StopOut wrote:
Interesting to not that the consensus leading up to the match was that being the first game of the season and away at that Ricki would play a more conservative DM formation with Mckain and Brown. Still seems like the sensible option to me but fact is they were both well below par.
 
McKain irritates me  because he has so much Euro/fringe Socceroo experience yet he only turns in a really top class game about 3-4 times a season. Other than that he is solid, but nothing more.
 
I have to say that imo brown is completely out of his depth in this league. It may be that its the frst game but he's slow and has no real vision with the ball. I would pefer to play one defensive midfleder...mckain  and attempt to sign a more central holding midfielder, althouht to be fair to brown mckain wasnt too far ahead of him, his passing mystyfying everyone in the final third and choosing the least obvious one

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Tony Lochhead - Plays by himself out on the left. Covered one Jets attack to prevent a goal but adds little going forward, isn't cohesive with the other three. 5/10.  [/QUOTE]
poor effort was lacking last year and after a first good season realy just is not upto it now, thinking play Mulligan


[/QUOTE] Tim Brown - You can't play Brown and McKain in the engine room together - it's either one or the other based on today's performance. 6/10. 

You just cant play tim brown .
sloth2009-08-09 19:29:54
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Can't blame McKain with what he's got around him. He's  DM not a great ball player. If there's no one helping him then what do you want him to do? When there was no help he went for a gallop and then got sh*t for his final pass.
Give Diego a go in the middle or bring back Ferrante for Brown. Always liked Tim's work ethic but not today.

Hearfield went forward well, but was taking photos of the second goal and didn't move.

Bertos stands out as MOM. Greenacre will be worthwhile and Ifill might take a little longer but looks OK.

The rest are all struggling
Royal2009-08-09 19:32:21
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Disappointing to start the season with nothing, we should have come away with at least a point from that. I don't think we should beat ourselves up too much it was only our first game. We need to beat perth next week, however, to get back on track.
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Great we're scoring goals, but what was that sloppy stuff at the back?  Grrrr....
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Our Two centre backs really need to talk to each other they got ripped apart like a packet of crisps

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Brown off and Ferrante on for a CAM role. keep Mckain as a def mid.

SIGGY AND DURA NEED TO STAY BACK.

almost need to have muscat and lochy as WB's so they have to  stay back.
smittyz112009-08-09 19:39:19
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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Not a good result, however were are a much better team than last season.
Some shocking defending cost us the game. Giving the ball away cheaply was another reason.
If Lockhead is the best left back in NZ then the AW have got no chance.

If you are old and wise you were probably young and stupid

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over 16 years ago · edited over 13 years ago
Can i say tactics?
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Paston 7 no problems, solid not spectacular.
Muscat 6 No complaints but offered little going forward
Durante 5 couldnt cope with an average jets front line
Sigmund 5.5 one moment at start where he should have cleared that lead to a Durante foul which was poor, cant give to high a rating to a defenda in a poor defence
Lochhead 5 not 2 bad goin forward, however eaten alive by Song, and costly at the back
Hearfield 7 got into good positions kept ball wellish
Brown 6 went missing at times and didnt ofer much in final third
Mckain 6 had a few good attacking runs but was wateful with the ball and chose the wrong option too often
Bertos 8 strong runs, always dangerous in the final third and played well with Iffil and Greenacre. Two good assists
Iffil 6 held up ball reasonably well, but lukd tird and didnt get thru too much work.
Greenacre 7 played quite well up front, luky with goal but did luk threatening, went missing once he was all alone up front.
Diego and Daniel 5.5 Nowhere near the impact I had expected from either.
RH 5 Two ineffective substitutions, a central midfield that created little and was wasteful, played a forward hu was nowhere near fit (Iffil) and knew he wudnt play the full 90, yet decided agianst bringing over another decent forward (Costa)
Overall 6
sissoko_no1fan2009-08-09 19:50:22
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