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Nix v Heart, Thursday 27th Dec 7:30pm

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about 13 years ago

dairyflat wrote:

Jazzman wrote:

No , this is not EPL but these are fulltime , professional players who I would expect to be able to deliver a cross accurately or shoot a  bit more on target such that the ball doesn't end up going for a throw in ( Lia).



Places I have seen players shoot and the ball go for a corner. Anfield, Highbury, Nou Camp, Stadio della Alpi....  Home of all sorts of part time players... clearly.


I see the hook and the nice wriggly bait.

Must. resist. biting.


"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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about 13 years ago

Junior82 wrote:

I see the hook and the nice wriggly bait.

Must. resist. biting.




do not resist!  You know you have something to say!!   :)
Profile pic. Should you be interested. Lakhsen, on the right, lost touch with him.
Mohammed, on the left, I'm still in touch with. He's now living in Agadez, Niger. More focused on his animals now as tourism has dried up. Is active with a co-op promoting local goods, leather work and bijouterie, into Europe. 
20/5/20

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about 13 years ago

dairyflat wrote:

Jazzman wrote:

No , this is not EPL but these are fulltime , professional players who I would expect to be able to deliver a cross accurately or shoot a  bit more on target such that the ball doesn't end up going for a throw in ( Lia).



Places I have seen players shoot and the ball go for a corner. Anfield, Highbury, Nou Camp, Stadio della Alpi....  Home of all sorts of part time players... clearly.
a shot at Adelaide two nights ago actually went over the stand and out the stadium.

Founder

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about 13 years ago

Feverish wrote:

dairyflat wrote:

Jazzman wrote:

No , this is not EPL but these are fulltime , professional players who I would expect to be able to deliver a cross accurately or shoot a  bit more on target such that the ball doesn't end up going for a throw in ( Lia).



Places I have seen players shoot and the ball go for a corner. Anfield, Highbury, Nou Camp, Stadio della Alpi....  Home of all sorts of part time players... clearly.
a shot at Adelaide two nights ago actually went over the stand and out the stadium.
I recall  that shot , it was comedy gold

rojas, so special

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about 13 years ago

You have a pretty good memory if you can recall two nights ago. Congratulations on that. 


Allegedly

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about 13 years ago

I recall it also. Does anyone else remember Jeronimo getting booked for simulation in that game? If I recall correctly, that was even better Comedy Gold.


Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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about 13 years ago

Bullion wrote:

Jazzman wrote:
No , this is not EPL but these are fulltime , professional players who I would expect to be able to deliver a cross accurately or shoot a  bit more on target such that the ball doesn't end up going for a throw in ( Lia).

In defense of Lia it was Sanchez's shot. Lia didn't take any shots last night.

 

Jazz jr has just texted me to say the same thing so apologies to Lia. It took me an hour this morning to remember where I'd parked last night so I'm not surprised my memory stuffed up on that as well.

As for the Anfield comment re wayward shooting , I'd be bloody delighted if we took a shot that actually was propelled in front of the kicker!! Last time I was there ( admittedly 3 years ago), you could almost feel the Kop end sucking the ball in. Maybe that's the answer at Westpac- Feverites , suck harder!! 

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about 13 years ago

Jazzman wrote:

Jazz jr has just texted me to say the same thing so apologies to Lia. It took me an hour this morning to remember where I'd parked last night so I'm not surprised my memory stuffed up on that as well.


Some great parking available at the airport...

"Phoenix till they lose"

Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion. 

Genuine opinion: FTFFA

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about 13 years ago

You should talk to bbs and see if he can give you some memory techniques. He can remember 2 nights ago! 


Allegedly

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about 13 years ago

Tegal wrote:

You have a pretty good memory if you can recall two nights ago. Congratulations on that. 

whereas your recollection of games seems hazy even straight after fulltime.

rojas, so special

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about 13 years ago

Tegal wrote:

You have a pretty good memory if you can recall two nights ago. Congratulations on that. 

whereas your recollection of games seems hazy even straight after fulltime.


Did we win? 


Allegedly

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about 13 years ago

Tegal wrote:

Tegal wrote:

You have a pretty good memory if you can recall two nights ago. Congratulations on that. 

whereas your recollection of games seems hazy even straight after fulltime.


Did we win? 

of course. we win every week remember, just the refs let us down:)

rojas, so special

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about 13 years ago · edited about 13 years ago · History

Tegal wrote:

Tegal wrote:

You have a pretty good memory if you can recall two nights ago. Congratulations on that. 

whereas your recollection of games seems hazy even straight after fulltime.


Did we win? 

of course. we win every week remember, just the refs let us down:)


Well that's good isn't it?! Why are you such a miserable bastard after games then?


Allegedly

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about 13 years ago

Tegal wrote:

Tegal wrote:

Tegal wrote:

You have a pretty good memory if you can recall two nights ago. Congratulations on that. 

whereas your recollection of games seems hazy even straight after fulltime.


Did we win? 

of course. we win every week remember, just the refs let us down:)


Well that's good isn't it?! Why are you such a miserable bastard after games then?

He used Jeff Vader Parking.

Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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about 13 years ago

Jeff Vader you are 100% correct in what you and your Dad saw. There are many areas of our game which are poor. We do have some players who consistently do dumb arse things. You would hope that the coaching staff work tirelessly every training season to eliminate many of these basic errors. Because in reality many of them could be improved by better coaching. You are right when you say that there are more skillfull sides in the A-League. I have watched games like Victory vs Roar which were excellent examples of high quality football. There are also games which are crap.

But all the above counts for zero when you are supporting your own team. Critical analysis will spoil your enjoyment. Its all about the moment, the thrill of a closely contested match, the ebb and flow of fortunes, the skills and errors on display, the highs and lows. The joys of being a true football supporter come from the gut reaction to what you are seeing. It can drag you down or lift you up. Winning 3-2 after being down 0-2 is damn exciting. A word  of advice....try watching the Nix with your heart rather than your head....you will enjoy it a whole lot more!!

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about 13 years ago · edited about 13 years ago · History

dairyflat wrote:

Jazzman wrote:

No , this is not EPL but these are fulltime , professional players who I would expect to be able to deliver a cross accurately or shoot a  bit more on target such that the ball doesn't end up going for a throw in ( Lia).



Places I have seen players shoot and the ball go for a corner. Anfield, Highbury, Nou Camp, Stadio della Alpi....  Home of all sorts of part time players... clearly.

The difference is, our players seem to do these sorts of things multiple times every game. It's not a one off.
Lochhead's shot
Sanchez's shot
Boyd with that cross in the first few minutes of the second half 
the list goes on. But you guys don't seem to remember that ?



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about 13 years ago

Sack Jeff Vader's dad

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about 13 years ago

nufc_nz wrote:

dairyflat wrote:

Jazzman wrote:

No , this is not EPL but these are fulltime , professional players who I would expect to be able to deliver a cross accurately or shoot a  bit more on target such that the ball doesn't end up going for a throw in ( Lia).



Places I have seen players shoot and the ball go for a corner. Anfield, Highbury, Nou Camp, Stadio della Alpi....  Home of all sorts of part time players... clearly.

The difference is, our players seem to do these sorts of things multiple times every game. It's not a one off.
Lochhead's shot
Sanchez's shot
Boyd with that cross in the first few minutes of the second half 
the list goes on. But you guys don't seem to remember that ?

Those two shot's are the only shots I can recall going for a throw in all season for us. And I'm pretty sure my memory is up to scratch.

Yellow Fever - Misery loves company

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about 13 years ago

From what i saw, When Bertos was down the right wing, he would just try and dribble to the corner flag and then cross most of the time.    He needs to mix it up, not doing the same thing which the opponent will read.

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about 13 years ago

he did make quite a few more inside passes than usual, it wasnt just crossing


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about 13 years ago

austin10 wrote:

Jeff Vader you are 100% correct in what you and your Dad saw. There are many areas of our game which are poor. We do have some players who consistently do dumb arse things. You would hope that the coaching staff work tirelessly every training season to eliminate many of these basic errors. Because in reality many of them could be improved by better coaching. You are right when you say that there are more skillfull sides in the A-League. I have watched games like Victory vs Roar which were excellent examples of high quality football. There are also games which are crap.

But all the above counts for zero when you are supporting your own team. Critical analysis will spoil your enjoyment. Its all about the moment, the thrill of a closely contested match, the ebb and flow of fortunes, the skills and errors on display, the highs and lows. The joys of being a true football supporter come from the gut reaction to what you are seeing. It can drag you down or lift you up. Winning 3-2 after being down 0-2 is damn exciting. A word  of advice....try watching the Nix with your heart rather than your head....you will enjoy it a whole lot more!!



I think what Jeff is experiencing is an example of Stockholm Syndrome i.e. if you spend enough time with negative c*nts eventually you will become one.


(apologies to Jeff's dad for rather flippantly pigeon-holing him as a negative c*nt for no better reason than making a half-arsed Stockholm Syndrome joke)

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about 13 years ago

Look not sure what Vader was watching but I'd compare two performances:

1) Us against central coast- 1000 balls into the box to be cleaned up by a much taller defence. No goals. 

2) This game- a lot of different attacking options attempts to hit the ball low across the face, cut back in and we scored 3 goals. A lot of players in the box. We should have scored 8 I reckon. Still.

Always felt that we were going to score a lot and we did. Yeh Bertos did mix it up a lot more. Thought he was awesome actually. The only player who looked woeful on attack (apart from one run) was Lochhead. We don't have Smeltz to get on the end of his crosses, so anytime we get a taller, stronger defence which is most of the time, we've got to look to play to feet and mix up the attack. Felt we tried to do that and were a real threat.

Yeh some of the shooting was crap. If we'd been clinical (and we had our most clinical player on the bench for some reason- would be interesting to see him playing in a game with this game plan) we'd have scored a lot more.

Also- again we seemed to have a massive amount of space in the midfield. Not sure how we would have gone if that had been closed down like it was against Sydney. That'll be the test. How much energy we can show on the ball and how much movement off it. 

From this line up I want at least two goals every game. I don't think that is an unreasonable expectation. If you have a 1 up lead bury it 2 or 3 up! 



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about 13 years ago

Tegal wrote:

Tegal wrote:

Tegal wrote:

You have a pretty good memory if you can recall two nights ago. Congratulations on that. 

whereas your recollection of games seems hazy even straight after fulltime.


Did we win? 

of course. we win every week remember, just the refs let us down:)


Well that's good isn't it?! Why are you such a miserable bastard after games then?

my misery lifted around the 70th minute last night. seems your struggling with that memory thing again, need some coaching?

rojas, so special

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about 13 years ago · edited about 13 years ago · History

aitkenmike wrote:

Junior82 wrote:

Fenix wrote:

Paston was really nowhere with that free kick. It was way too easy for them to score



Top right corner - how could he have got to that?  Everyone dumps on Pasty but did you not think it was a pretty blimmin good free kick?



Not only top right corner, but up and down over the wall.  Sometimes you just have to congratulate a well struck free kick.  As soon as he didn't dive I knew some people would be knocking him.  I have said it before, but it seems like some would be happy if he just flung himself at it even if he isn't going to get within metres of it.


I told myself I wouldn't get into this again, but I just can't let it stand. That was an absolutely woeful effort from Paston from start to finish. All this was happening right in front of me, and from the way Paston positioned himself where he couldn't even see the ball while standing incredibly flat-footed at the same time before the kick was even taken I had a distinct impression that we were in trouble if the shot was on target. Really, it boggles the mind that a keeper would put himself in that kind of position without ever thinking he may need to move the save the shot if it was on target.
Not to mention that there was nothing top-corner about that shot, and it certainly wasn't travelling at 100 miles per hour - the ball when it crossed the line was about 1 metre away from Paston. If he'd shown just a smidgeon of anticipation or agility, just the very basic goalkeeping skills, he'd have had a very good chance of stopping that. It is absolutely insulting to state that no goalkeeper could have saved that - I'd say the majority of starting goalkeepers in the A-league would have got to that without too many problems, let alone the best keepers in the world. It was absolutely piss poor from Paston - poor positioning, poor awareness, poor anticipation, poor agility, and seemingly no desire. Horrendous.
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about 13 years ago

pretty much. where else was golgol going to shoot really?? did paston think it was just going to go straight into his arms?


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about 13 years ago

el grapadura wrote:

aitkenmike wrote:

Junior82 wrote:

Fenix wrote:

Paston was really nowhere with that free kick. It was way too easy for them to score



Top right corner - how could he have got to that?  Everyone dumps on Pasty but did you not think it was a pretty blimmin good free kick?



Not only top right corner, but up and down over the wall.  Sometimes you just have to congratulate a well struck free kick.  As soon as he didn't dive I knew some people would be knocking him.  I have said it before, but it seems like some would be happy if he just flung himself at it even if he isn't going to get within metres of it.


I told myself I wouldn't get into this again, but I just can't let it stand. That was an absolutely woeful effort from Paston from start to finish. All this was happening right in front of me, and from the way Paston positioned himself where he couldn't even see the ball while standing incredibly flat-footed at the same time before the kick was even taken I had a distinct impression that we were in trouble if the shot was on target. Really, it boggles the mind that a keeper would put himself in that kind of position without ever thinking he may need to move the save the shot if it was on target.
Not to mention that there was nothing top-corner about that shot, and it certainly wasn't travelling at 100 miles per hour - the ball when it crossed the line was about 1 metre away from Paston. If he'd shown just a smidgeon of anticipation or agility, just the very basic goalkeeping skills, he'd have had a very good chance of stopping that. It is absolutely insulting to state that no goalkeeper could have saved that - I'd say the majority of starting goalkeepers in the A-league would have got to that without too many problems, let alone the best keepers in the world. It was absolutely piss poor from Paston - poor positioning, poor awareness, poor anticipation, poor anticipation, and seemingly no desire. Horrendous.

Yip.  This can't go on.
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about 13 years ago

el grapadura wrote:

aitkenmike wrote:

Junior82 wrote:

Fenix wrote:

Paston was really nowhere with that free kick. It was way too easy for them to score



Top right corner - how could he have got to that?  Everyone dumps on Pasty but did you not think it was a pretty blimmin good free kick?



Not only top right corner, but up and down over the wall.  Sometimes you just have to congratulate a well struck free kick.  As soon as he didn't dive I knew some people would be knocking him.  I have said it before, but it seems like some would be happy if he just flung himself at it even if he isn't going to get within metres of it.


I told myself I wouldn't get into this again, but I just can't let it stand. That was an absolutely woeful effort from Paston from start to finish. All this was happening right in front of me, and from the way Paston positioned himself where he couldn't even see the ball while standing incredibly flat-footed at the same time before the kick was even taken I had a distinct impression that we were in trouble if the shot was on target. Really, it boggles the mind that a keeper would put himself in that kind of position without ever thinking he may need to move the save the shot if it was on target.
Not to mention that there was nothing top-corner about that shot, and it certainly wasn't travelling at 100 miles per hour - the ball when it crossed the line was about 1 metre away from Paston. If he'd shown just a smidgeon of anticipation or agility, just the very basic goalkeeping skills, he'd have had a very good chance of stopping that. It is absolutely insulting to state that no goalkeeper could have saved that - I'd say the majority of starting goalkeepers in the A-league would have got to that without too many problems, let alone the best keepers in the world. It was absolutely piss poor from Paston - poor positioning, poor awareness, poor anticipation, poor anticipation, and seemingly no desire. Horrendous.

Yip.  This can't go on.
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about 13 years ago

Doloras wrote:

One more point - everyone's bagging Paston not bothering to dive for the first goal, but Bolton didn't bother to try to stop the last goal. Once Brockie had rounded him, you can see Bolton turning and just going "OFFS". I would have dived and tried to ankle-tap the guy.


Faulty Bolty was dreadful the whole game, he couldn't have caught a cold in the first half. Sad to see how far he's fallen off given he was possibly the best keeper in the league in the early years.
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I saw Moss being interviewed on the big screen before the game, wearing a suit. Any idea when he's due back? (I can only remember him talking about pavlova) What sort of red tape has to be cut through for Basalaj to play?


People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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about 13 years ago

I don't think Basalaj is the answer I'm afraid.  Moss had better hurry up and get better.  If the Nix offer Paston another contract I think I'll be a bit disappointed.

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about 13 years ago

Yeah Basalaj still seems a bit raw, but I'm just so sick of Paston's crap.

Spoonley then?

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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about 13 years ago

I loved Mark Paston like a dear close friend after June 20th 2010.  

But really, we need to make a tough, even a ruthless decision regarding the Paston question...

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about 13 years ago

Yeah Basalaj still seems a bit raw, but I'm just so sick of Paston's crap.

Spoonley then?


Spoonley can`t even get a game at Auckland City at the Moment !!
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about 13 years ago

UK Kiwi wrote:

Yeah Basalaj still seems a bit raw, but I'm just so sick of Paston's crap.

Spoonley then?


Spoonley can`t even get a game at Auckland City at the Moment !!
Really? I was judging him solely on the one game he played for the Nix at the start of the season. I don't follow coalface football, I'm purely interested in the glitz and glamour of the A League

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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about 13 years ago


Vader's Dad will know

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How about this guy instead? No clue what his keeping is like but he definitely seems more mobile than Paston

People like Coldplay and voted for the Nazis. You can't trust people.

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about 13 years ago

We do have McMaster so maybe it's time he has a run.  I've only seen him play once but that was Phoenix reserves v Team Wellington.     Hang on we lost 4 nil.  Hmm quite the qandry

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about 13 years ago

Ok I'm taking a bit of stick for my opinion and I can deal with that. 

I'm not sure why we are celebrating being able to pass it out of the back 4. It should be expected that our team can do that.

I still think some of you are confusing an entertaining game with great football. The best example I can probably think of is watch any recent Adam Sandler film. Entertaining yes, but not great films. Last nights game had entertainment, drama, dominance, the come back and all those elements. But let's not call that great football. If we played like that against CCM, WSW and the Victory, they would have us. Yes we got balls into the box, awesome. What's the conversion rate and how many times have we been saying that the conversion rate is ordinary? Look at those crosses and you will see why it's low because the crossing was low quality.

We can and have played better than that this year. If that's the bench mark for great football from the Phoenix, I'm worried. If that's the bench mark for entertainment, sure lets have it every week.

Grumpy old bastard alert

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about 13 years ago

Trueblue wrote:
I think Fenton and Boyd too often try to beat too many players but they'll learn. They both showed good skills, which begs the question - are there not more like them out there in the ASBP who could go professional?




 

To be honest, I hadn't noticed Fenton or Boyd in the NZFC (or Rojas for that matter) so I think there must be quite a lot more that can play at A League level. Saw a lot of Biss and his potential was obvious. Time for a 2nd NZ team?
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