Phoenix Ownership - Rob says FTFFA (Part 1)

I will never understand why opposing viewpoints - or even scepticism until faced with overwhelming evidence - makes so many people so angry and bitter.

I've been offline for a few days so just catching up, but holy f**k - does anyone else appreciate the significance of this info?

I've always said that Terry's financial problems didn't have an immediate impact on the Nix as long as the club had sufficient cashflow to pay the bills through at least the early part of the season. The big assumption being that money from season ticket sales would be flowing through. But if I read what Tony P is saying correctly then the Nix don't actually have access to the money from season ticket sales! (and a bank guarantee would presumably be pretty hard [impossible?] to get).

This, combined with the news that the Nix allegedly owe Ricki $100k, is pretty much the show stopper for me - decent evidence that the Nix actually need financial support from Terry right now, not later. Support which he is no longer in a position to give (unless he has some gold bullion stashed somewhere).

EDIT: also makes the advice in my signature pretty redundant. I'll change it later!

terminator_x2011-09-06 19:52:19

Dolares your coach bringing in lawyers to recoup unpaid wages is evidence (overwelming even)

in light of this do you still stand by Terry?

AucklandPhoenix2011-09-06 19:55:13

Tedious.....

This is bigger than trying to win cheap points

I stand by Terry in that he has been fantastic and I wish him a dignified exit

Sadly i doubt season ticket sales would make that much of dent in the bills.Would probably leave still plenty to be found elsewhere.

I did not say Terry does not deserve respect

he does deserve it but not to the detriment and possible demise of this club

For those who understand these things better than me.

Any chance the FFA could do  what they did to Con,that is if they were satisfied the supposed new investors do exist.

Well said, hepatitis.

The future of the Nix is still very precarious and this really isn't the time for gloating. Even those who have wanted Terry out for a while have no idea if we are are just jumping from the frying pan into the fire, if there even is a fire.

The Phoenix 5 could be a figment of John Morrison's imagination. Or they could all be c**ts.

Thanks,did think that was the case.Pretty puts much of the arguing in some these threads to bed when you think about it.

So that there's no misunderstanding - I have only supported Terry on a "devil you know" basis, and a faith in his ability to get out of anything.  If  that faith was misplaced, then I don't regret it, but I am glad of the Phoenix Five, if they indeed exist. I have been reluctant to come to that conclusion until faced with overwhelming evidence. If this story about Ricki sending the lawyers in is true, I am about ready to admit "the evidence is overwhelming". But we'll see.

As I said elsewhere, if the NBR are right and one of them has gone to meet the FFA, this is a Very Good Thing. But I don't trust the NBR.

Terry is a proud man and, certainly when it comes to the Phoenix and his contributions to Wellington and NZ football, rightly so.

Not really, the FFA have always been very supportive of Terry.

If the story about not paying Ricki is true, however, then that sounds like something they might choose to act on, especially if they now think they have a serious back-up plan. Owners not paying coaches is something they just won't want to have a bar of.

I don't think anyone on here is gloating. The one thing we all have in common is a passion for our team. And if there is any truth at all behind todays Herbert 100k story then its a sad day for everyone and if Ricki Herbert can have stood behind TS and kept a dignified silence then the least we can do is support our guys - TS included

Just because some of us have had differing opinions from others doesn't make anyone bitter or angry or gleeful. its a sad day for Wgtn football because even if there is no outstanding pay to RH well imagine how the whole team is feeling seeing this played out both in the mainstream media and on forums

Publicly yes, when he was the only game in town.  Things could be very different now there are others potentially involved

Putting my grandadi prediction hat on... if there is going to be a change, it will happen over this week.

I hope so, cos ive only get 3 more days till I have to put my head in the sand to avoid that demon of the RWC. Hence new avatar!

Actually, just thinking. Kiddies on here. might need to take down...

JD with all due respect i think some pretty rotten apples have been thrown by many in some of these threads.The constant wish by some to want to label people because their views differed  from their own became very annoying.

What cant be denied is that most of us have a passion for the Phoenix which is pretty remarkable in the short time we have been around.

For me what is sad is that in the dealings i have had with people i come in contact with.These include workmates,customers,suppliers friends the locals down the pub and many others that are aware im a Phoenix tragic.That is the damage being done to the brand and i think to deny any damage has been done is truely being one eyed.

"Its a sad day for everyone and if Ricki Herbert can have stood behind TS and kept a dignified silence then the least we can do is support our guys - TS included"

Agree with you there mate.Bit depressing if its true.I've nearly saved up enough for my season ticket so just hoping everything will be ok and we can play some footy.

Meh.

meh

going overboard

Don't think anyone is gloating about Terry's predicament, any perceived gloating is probably directed towards the likes of Doloras who has tended to make personal attacks against anyone who posted anything that differed from her stated point of view.

Terry has to go. The time has well and truly come.

Sorry who/what is this CON thing?

Found it myself: Con Constantine and Newcastle Jest

FFA took away the license of Con Consantine who owned the Newcastle Jets. They deemed he couldn't afford to run the club and gave/sold the license to the current owner.

who has a skipful of money, bloody mining industry in Aussie, it is a licence to print money

Meanwhile the Nix are struggling while the Coromandel sits there all untouched...

thanks J82... I needed a good laugh

I hope that if the FFA pull the rug out from Terry it's done with a little more class than the way it happened to Con. I mean Terry hasn't had to be pulled of fans, had stand up rows with players or threatened to have members of the Fever thrown of a balcony.

Terry deserves a more dignified exit. Despite his rumored treatment of people in business his treatment of the Phoenix and the Phoenix fan base has always been respectful and I would hope any new owners and the FFA would have enough class to show Terry some respect if it was to all end this week.

Dave, that is very fair.  But ultimately it will rely on Terry sort of accepting the writing on the wall at some stage and cooperating

despite my pretty punchy earlier post, on Terry not being the sweetheart we'd all like to think he is, I agree with both of those comments mjp22011-09-07 00:12:38

if this story is true then i do think it is time for terry to step down, but i still respect the man, if this is more bullsh*t, then i stand by terry continuing with the club

and only think terry should stand by if a concrete alternative comes in

I'd love it if for just one month we didn't hear stories about the awful state of Terry/the Phoenix.

Three things are all coming together... the Con factor, The Gang of Five & what is the current Nix structure.

My previous assumptions have been Terry has loaned the Nix money as opposed to sponsorship or equity... meaming anyone buying the Nix takes on the Loans to Terry which look like they will be called if the new owner has money.

The gang of five have gone public about their desire to buy the Nix...are they in Sydney now talking to BB..

The Con factor....Con & Terry are different in how they treated fans and FFA... Con be littled many fans and openly and often challenged FFA..However as long as he paid the bills it was OK... the monment he could not pay the bills FFA dumped him called in the licence and then sold the licence ...

Finally guys and always remember this .. not sure who said it ... but it is very true...

"you can change your wife, your house, your car, but you can never change your team. Chairmen come and go, boards come and go, but the fans remain. They are the one true constan."
Midfielder2011-09-07 03:02:13

If the old saying is true, no smoke without fire, there is a f**king blaze of towering inferno proportions engulfing Phoenix Tower on Hunter Street.

Whilst I have my pass already. I totally understand that Jeff. I just hope that by the time the season kicks off, that we have a clearer understanding of what is going on.

Not at all SJ. Family membership is not small change which can be used for other essentials.

However the world is still turning this morning and the sky hasn't fallen just yet.