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Phoenix Ownership - Rob says FTFFA (Part 1)

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Things are going too smoothly for my liking.
 
I don't support the phoenix to have this so called 'fun'...I do it so I can have a right whinge whenever I please.

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'having fun'..is a relative term

" If you only have a hammer you tend to see every problem as a nail" - maslow

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No fridge magnet. We're doomed.
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paullt wrote:
'having fun'..is a relative term


Your family has it but you dont  ???? 
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When is the Dom Post going to stop this relentless chase of Terry. They got what they wanted, but they want more....

https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/5710908/Serepisos-bankruptcy-files-to-be-released

"The Dominion Post has won access to the Terry Serepisos bankruptcy file but details of the claimed value of his collapsed property empire is still under wraps."

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Oceanic6 wrote:
When is the Dom Post going to stop this relentless chase of Terry. They got what they wanted, but they want more....

https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/5710908/Serepisos-bankruptcy-files-to-be-released


"The Dominion Post has won access to the Terry Serepisos bankruptcy file but details of the claimed value of his collapsed property empire is still under wraps."

 
When is the confirmation bias going to leave the internet alone?  Doesn't it know that it's best to go out on a high?
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Who was the big propety developer in Queenstown and Christchurch that went backrupt about the time everyony one started dogging Terry. Maybe Stripes could update us and the Dom about his loses and the companies he took down. Would make the balance.  (Don't worry about the othjer 3 property developers who have fallen over in the last 3 years)
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Oceanic6 wrote:
When is the Dom Post going to stop this relentless chase of Terry. They got what they wanted, but they want more....

https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/5710908/Serepisos-bankruptcy-files-to-be-released


"The Dominion Post has won access to the Terry Serepisos bankruptcy file but details of the claimed value of his collapsed property empire is still under wraps."

Because they want to hold up the list of people that Terry owes money to and say "See we told you he was a crook". At some stage they will gain access and they'll do that. And then some of us will say "we didn't know he was that bad". and others of us will say "Leave him alone, don't kick a man while he's down". And those people still owed money will open another can of dog food for dinner.
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Hogster wrote:
Who was the big propety developer in Queenstown and Christchurch that went backrupt about the time everyony one started dogging Terry. Maybe Stripes could update us and the Dom about his loses and the companies he took down. Would make the balance.  (Don't worry about the othjer 3 property developers who have fallen over in the last 3 years)


No, that doesn't work, either.  Consider the recent editorial, and Woodcock's eulogy.  If the DP is to be condemned for anything, it should be slammed for its part in fostering an unhealthy fixation on celebrities.  Maniacs, like yourself, driven past the point of reasonable discussion on such matters are entirely the responsibility of this paper's lack of substance.  If living in a world without a steady stream of Serepisos news ever becomes too much for you, please consider taking Fairfax media to court in order to fund your rehabilitation.
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Here is a copy of an email I sent to Radio NZ's media watch programme...

Dear Mediawatch team

As a Wellington Phoenix fan, I was saddened to see the eventual  bankruptcy of Terry Serepisos after a long battle with outstanding debts of around $200 million.  And obviously I feel for those creditors who are now scrambling to get their share of his former empire.

And as a regular Media Watch listener, I can�t help but reflect on the media�s coverage of this saga, in particular because a number of Yellow Fever fans have expressed annoyance overage the coverage by the Dominion Post and Matt Nippert from the NBR.  Concerns were first raised when Matt Nippert tweeted this back on the 17th of November 2010 (https://twitter.com/#!/MattNippert/status/4826916292923393) which read �As one of many purveyors of journalistic smack, I consider Serepisos a tall poppy who's ripe for lopping�.  Surely not a wise move if you want to retain your journalistic integrity.

This tweet was quickly followed up by a second tweet suggesting that the Dominions Post�s coverage of the saga was less than perfect (https://twitter.com/#!/MattNippert/status/4829496867815425).  It reads �My personal guess is they've [Dominion Post] been saving a "Phoenix Returns to Ashes" front page for some time�.

As for the Dominion Post, I noticed this morning that have a section of their website dedicated to him (see https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/search?k=Terry+Serepisos&label=Terry+Serepisos).  Perhaps he is thought of as an election issue this year. Now I agree that the demise of Terry is newsworthy, however I query whether a story (see https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/sport/5676418/First-Serepisos-loses-the-Phoenix-then-his-shirt) about Terry having this clothes seized as part of receivership deserved to be a) newsworthy, and b) on the front page of the Dominion Post as it was.  Cleary the Dominion Post thinks so because today they have run a second story covering Terry�s shirts (see https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/5697275/Would-you-pay-for-Terrys-seconds).  And then there was an article about someone who may, or may not, had punched Terry in a Wellington Bar (see https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/5415934/Serepisos-Nobody-hit-me).  Again, is this newsworthy to be plastered on the front page?   Almost all of the Dominions Post�s articles have been written by Dave Burgess, a former All White, who often scans pages of various threads in the Yellow Fever forums to find quotes from people hiding behind pseudonym.

I could just being a little precious and biased given my love of football and the Phoenix, but I do have some backing.  The editor of The Wellingtonian questions the coverage in this editorial early this month (see https://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/local-papers/the-wellingtonian/opinion/5541822/Wellingtonian-Editorial-Serepisos-saga-needs-balance) where he states �There seems to be an element of smirking by members of the public and certain media outlets about his financial woes�. 

 Either way, I�d imagine Terry would have been grateful if he was offered a puff piece like this one from Campbell Live last night (https://www.3news.co.nz/Allan-Crafar-reflects-on-life-on-the-farm/tabid/367/articleID/227709/Default.aspx).  In it Tristram Clayton interviews Allan Crafer, another business man in receivership over $200 million of debt.

Go the Phoenix!

Dale Warburton

Wellington


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Moments like these yellow fever needs a like button

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So much for the graceful departure. He knew bankrupty would end the phoenix (eg players released) and used that as the ace in his hand. And the rest of you still worship him! He gambled the team you care about when he had no money!
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A team we wouldn't have without him anyway? Good argument.

Are we not over this yet? We know who hates him etc,can't we just move on knowing there is a bit of a divide....

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Also seems like speculation to me? Unless I misread it.

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Look at the King, look at the King, the King the King the King.....
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Look at the King, look at the King, the King the King the King.....[/QUOTE]

[quote=Blackadder II, "Head"]
P: You know, a gloater, eh, come to gloat over the condemned man. I mean
we're up to our ears is gloaters here. "Can I come in for a gloat?" they
shout and we shout back "Oh you heartless gloaters".




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Reading13 wrote:
So much for the graceful departure. He knew bankrupty would end the phoenix (eg players released) and used that as the ace in his hand. And the rest of you still worship him! He gambled the team you care about when he had no money!
OK mate.Just relax now - focus on the footy

                                                                        COYN    

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Doloras wrote:
Look at the King, look at the King, the King the King the King.....[/QUOTE]

[quote=Blackadder II, "Head"]
P: You know, a gloater, eh, come to gloat over the condemned man. I mean
we're up to our ears is gloaters here. "Can I come in for a gloat?" they
shout and we shout back "Oh you heartless gloaters".



I don't know why you have this bee on your bonnet about what you see as people having a dig at Terry now he is well and truely in the s**t. You might be better worrying about the people he's fleeced rather than getting all bitchy and protective of the author of his own misfortune.
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"Fleeced" implies that Terry is a crook, rather than someone who gambled and lost.

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Not a crook, but a bit of a cock.
I like tautologies because I like them.
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Cosimo wrote:
Not a crook, but a bit of a cock.


That's certainly a fair comment. I did predict he'd throw a tanty when the licence was taken off him, and we can only be thankful that he held his tongue in public at least.

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Doloras wrote:

Cosimo wrote:
Not a crook, but a bit of a cock.
That's certainly a fair comment. I did predict he'd throw a tanty when the licence was taken off him, and we can only be thankful that he held his tongue in public at least.

No.

What I think you said was Michael Brown was an idiot and disgrace for insinuating that it was questionable that Terrys licence was relinquished.

I think that's what you said.

How many times have you been so wrong on this whole saga?

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I have no problem with any implication that might arise from my use of the word. Its all going to come out soon and some people are going to feel a little bit let down. Chin up tho Doloras, there must be other windmills for you to tilt at.
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There's no shame in having been wrong, Jeff.

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Some people seem to make a habit of it.
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I hear terrys Hong Kong money came through...
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Does that mean he can get out of bankruptcy early, like the judge said? Don't blame Daniel Hunt for being skeptical after the WGA thing.

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Doloras wrote:
Does that mean he can get out of bankruptcy early, like the judge said? Don't blame Daniel Hunt for being skeptical after the WGA thing.
Wouldnt be enough to fix all his debts though would it.Also how would it work with him being declared bankrupt,arnt there restrictions on what he can borrow.Or dosnt it count if the deal was made before the court made its decisions.

Think there is still a lot more to come out and i suspect not all of it will be a good look for some.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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Doloras wrote:
There's no shame in having been wrong, Jeff.


Agree. You however seem to jump down people's throat when they disagree with your opinion as JD has pointed out a few times. When you mix it in with you being wrong nearly every single time, perhaps you should consider being open to other people's opinions. I've been shot down on this place a few times but I can read the points and go 'fair cop'. You get your back up.

Don't take my word for it, re read your own material.

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I look at this and ask myself what does Terry really have to achieve with his commentary about how it was handled.

The reality of the situation was he used the club as leverage in his own personal financial situation not to bankrupt him. I suspect, the FFA were aware of this and hence their decision to pull the licence. Instead, they give him the honourable out so he can save face yet he just can't seem to BMF walk into the sunset getting hi 5's. The more this goes on, the less I think of him and the more I think 'you dick'. He does nothing to enhance his reputation going on with this and does more to look like a complete headcase. Going on radio saying 'they should be more respectful' ?? I think the new owners have been so.

Terry you gave us the nix. Thank you - you'll always be a legend for doing so. Don't turn yourself into a fallen idol.

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Business- it's often a murky world...
Interesting to see Nick Ward re-signing for the Nix after a bad experience witha dodgier than dodgy club in Greece (a major club with a long history in the top flight over there who are resorting to corrupt practices to stay afloat).

"Greek club Iraklis Thessaloniki  are in turmoil, having been relegated twice in May for failing to obtain a licence and being found guilty of forgery during the winter transfer window.

Then last month Iraklis were stripped of their professional licence and were demoted further to the semi-professional Delta Ethniki league."

 
The grass aint always greener...and Terry's mess is nothing compared to the shenanigans of club owners overseas. Many of these Russian oligarchs who own major clubs in Europe have engaged in extremely murky business dealings...also many of the Asian owners...
Birmingham City where Chris Wood is on loan are facing major problems due to a dodgy owner: Guardian 29/6/11:

"Birmingham City have been plunged into crisis after Carson Yeung, the club's president and largest single shareholder, was arrested by Hong Kong police over allegations in relation to money-laundering. The 51-year-old was detained in custody after being charged with five counts of "dealing with property known or believed to represent proceeds of an indictable offence".

Yeung, who has a 23.3% stake in the Championship club and is chairman of its parent company, Birmingham International Holdings Limited, is due to appear in court on Thursday. Peter Pannu, Birmingham's acting chairman, said Yeung was assisting Hong Kong police in relation to criminal investigations which, at this stage, he believes do not have any connection to the operation of the parent company or any of its subsidiaries.

News of Yeung's arrest is, however, a major embarrassment for the club and will prompt fresh concerns about the ownership structure at St Andrew's. The Football League has confirmed that it is closely monitoring the situation and will continue to do so before deciding whether to take any action."  A trial is upcoming and he can't leave HK...

Big Pete 65, Christchurch

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 The most amusing local story-ever involving a club benefactor involves the Richmond Athletic club in Nelson. This guy forever defines the phrase "dodgy club sponsor" in terms of football in NZ. Reads like a parody almost. Also perhaps useful as a yardstick to measure football club backers by. The "Phoenix Seven" must definitely inspire confidence!
Philip Whitley spent tens of thousands of dollars he didn't have on recruiting top Solomon Islands internationals and British pros, leaving them all unpaid and unable to afford the airfares home when his fraudulent business was exposed in 2007. His brother was the main benefactor of Gisborne City at the same time (in his case drawing on funds from Russian business dealings):
 
 
COLIN SMITH/Nelson Mail
WEB OF DECEIT: Philip Whitley was likeable but not always believable, former acquaintances say      CONDENSED:
Big promises, broken dreams BY SALLY KIDSON
Months before Whitley's 2007 arrest by the Serious Fraud Office on two charges of misleading investors, tales of his strange and lavish lifestyle were circling around Nelson.

The big-talking import from Gisborne was sponsoring a Richmond football team to play in a South Island league, and was known to sweep up to the team's games in one of his two new black 300C Chryslers � rumoured to have bulletproof windows � flanked by security guards.

He had shifted from Richmond to a $2 million mansion in Redwood Valley. Whispers circulated that the businessman with the mullet-styled hairdo had invented the next big thing in IT� that he was going to be in the same league or richer than Microsoft's Bill Gates.

He needed the security, the story went, because he had discovered one of computer science's holy grails � the ability to compress and re-expand digital computer files in a "lossless" way, dramatically reducing the storage space needed for data and allowing faster transmission of it.

It was a discovery potentially worth billions.

Some were sceptical of this self-made kingpin, questioning why he would be sitting on something so big in sleepy Nelson. If they had dug deeper, they would have discovered that as early as 2001, one of New Zealand's leading experts on such technology, Professor Tim Bell of Canterbury University, had tested Whitley's invention and found it "mathematically impossible" that it could work.

But there were plenty � 490, in fact � who smelled a fortune and invested $5.3 million in Whitley's company NearZero between August 2006 and May 2007. That is not counting money poured into the project before 2006, which the Serious Fraud Office estimated to be in the hundreds of thousands.

Investigators said much of Whitley's money was spent on his lifestyle � cars, boats, travel � and his over-the-top security.

Before his fantasies got away on him, Whitley was an unremarkable enough man. He had no particular qualifications, and some previous acquaintances now speak of him disdainfully. He worked with software, although the full extent is unclear. He had a family, and a passion for football and model yachting.

For a few heady months, when the money was pouring in from those convinced by his claims, he was the financial backer of the Richmond Athletic Football Club, becoming its president.

Current president Stu Reid recalls those days. "He showed us the potential that we could reach as a sports club, and he certainly did have some big dreams."

He says Whitley was likeable, if not always believable.

"I thought some of the things that came out of his mouth were quite hard to believe, but I never thought for a moment that he was actually doing what he was accused of doing."

There were other odd aspects. For a supposedly high-flying businessman, Whitley's dress sense raised eyebrows. Sometimes, he turned up to meetings in track pants and slippers. "We kind of thought, `Who is this guy'?" Mr Reid says.

Whitley explained his casual attire by saying he got sick of wearing business clothes while working in Auckland's rat race.

Mr Reid says alarm bells rang when Whitley started talking about his company being worth billions and arriving at the club in a flash car flanked by security men, who drove another flash car and carried out security checks of the field's perimeter.

"If someone in our little sleepy town in Nelson says, `I've got a business that's worth billions', you kind of go, `Hang on a minute, that doesn't make sense'," Mr Reid says.

He visited Whitley at his business in Stoke's Wakatu Estate and says the paranoia and security there were "weird".

"This is Phil Whitley, the president of our football club, and we can't even get in the building to see him."  

Even now, Mr Reid says he does not believe Whitley meant the club any harm. Yet the heights he had taken it to quickly evaporated, when the first wave of investigators arrived to start scouring through Whitley's business affairs.

....That was the last time Mr Reid spoke with him. Whitley phoned him to say he had to resign from the club, and that a story was about to appear in the newspaper.

At the end of the call, he wished Mr Reid and the club luck. Despite his personal feelings towards Whitley, Mr Reid says that kind gesture still lingers with him.

The club was left with a team having to scratch together money to pay for a bus to away games in the Christchurch-based league. They ended the season at the bottom of the table and were eventually relegated.   

...The paranoia was subsequently explained by Whitley's belief that organised crime networks could be after his technology.

His supporters seemed to forgive him his excesses, just as they accepted the years of inaction when Whitley was said to have been stricken with the brain-affecting virus encephalitis � or the numerous, often contradictory or flimsy stories he came up with to convince others that enormous wealth lay ahead, despite consistently failing to meet deadlines.

While it has been said that Whitley could be manipulative, unreliable and unpleasant to work with, especially to those who pushed him, he charmed and flattered others, and wooed them with big salaries.

His head security guard told the Nelson District Court that Whitley offered to pay him $300,000 to $500,000 � a figure Whitley said he had settled on after talking with Bill Gates' father.

The trial also showed that business contacts in Nelson enabled Whitley to meet with contacts far outside his own world, even pitching his technology to multinational spacecraft manufacturer Ball Aerospace.

His supporters were noticeably absent during his 20-day fraud trial, which started in February and finally concluded in May.

The trial, before a judge alone, proved heavily lopsided. After a polished three-week prosecution case by the SFO � which was remarkable for the calibre of the witnesses, some of whom were flown in from London and Seattle to testify � Whitley's defence lacked any punch.

The defence admitted Whitley didn't have the technology to the level he had claimed, but because he was delusional, he genuinely believed it existed � an argument ultimately dismissed by Judge David McKegg.

In his closing address, SFO prosecutor John Upton QC summed up the case by calling Whitley a "manipulative liar" driven by greed.

"He was also a master of divide and rule, and played investors off against each other, and was paranoid not that his technology would be discovered, but that his fraud would be exposed."

He initially claimed he had an engineering degree as an automotive machinist, before acknowledging he had only done an apprenticeship at Gisborne's Redstone Motors. This appears to be his only qualification.

He used his supposed case of encephalitis to excuse "holes" in his memory.

While he made various claims about his work as a software developer, including for Tairawhiti Healthcare in Gisborne, Nelson Mail inquiries have not been able to confirm what work he actually did.

His former employer at Redstone Motors, Keith Redstone, recalls him as a "smart talker" whom he came not to trust. "He was quite good at his work, but he was a bit devious."

A search of the Companies Office register shows that Whitley has a number of failed businesses behind him, usually involving computers. A silent partner in one of those businesses says now that Whitley was "as cunning as a cartload of monkeys" and he "wouldn't trust him with a dangerous dog".

His ability to tell tall tales was perhaps the most lasting impression left from the trial.

In his verdict, Judge McKegg listed 13 lies Whitley had told about matters relevant to his invention. He had lied about his qualifications, who he had worked for, his family's assets, the money he had and the backers he had lined up. "A pattern emerges in which the accused created falsehood upon falsehood in order to sustain investment in his company," the judge said.

Whitley... talked frankly about his battle with mental illness, saying that with medication and a diagnosis of bipolar disorder, which led him to exaggerate things, "I won't say I'm in a better space � I still get the horrors � but I'm more calm and settled and not extravagant".

His sentencing next month � the charges carry sentences of up to 10 years in prison � should see the door finally slammed on Whitley's house of cards.

But despite the court dismissing the existence of the technology, Whitley continues to maintain that he has invented a data compression programme that works to some degree. He told the Mail he hopes to get home detention so he can work on software to pay back his creditors. '

Big Pete 65, Christchurch

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Now I'm certainly not someone known for being hard on Terry, but if you have to compare him to Phil Whitley to make him look good, that's damning with faint praise indeed.

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Big Pete 65 wrote:


�The most amusing local story-ever involving a club benefactor involves the Richmond Athletic club in Nelson. This guy forever defines the phrase "dodgy club sponsor" in terms of football in NZ. Reads like a parody almost. Also perhaps useful as a yardstick to measure football club backers by. The "Phoenix Seven" must definitely inspire confidence!
Philip Whitley spent tens of thousands of dollars he didn't have�on recruiting top Solomon Islands internationals and British pros, leaving them all unpaid and unable to afford the airfares home when his fraudulent business was exposed in 2007. His brother was the main benefactor of Gisborne City at the same time (in his case drawing on funds from Russian business dealings):
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Months before Whitley's 2007 arrest by the Serious Fraud Office on two
charges of misleading investors, tales of his strange and lavish lifestyle were
circling around Nelson.

The big-talking import from Gisborne was sponsoring a Richmond football team
to play in a South Island league, and was known to sweep up to the team's games
in one of his two new black 300C Chryslers � <span ="goog_qs-tidbit goog_qs-tidbit-0">rumoured to have bulletproof windows �
flanked by security guards. </span>


<span ="goog_qs-tidbit goog_qs-tidbit-0">He had shifted from Richmond to
a $2 million mansion in Redwood Valley.</span> Whispers circulated that the
businessman with the mullet-styled hairdo had invented the next big thing in IT�
that he was going to be in the same league or richer than Microsoft's Bill
Gates.


He needed the security, the story went, because he had discovered one of
computer science's holy grails � the ability to compress and re-expand digital
computer files in a "lossless" way, dramatically reducing the storage space
needed for data and allowing faster transmission of it.


It was a discovery potentially worth billions.


Some were sceptical of this self-made kingpin, questioning why he would be
sitting on something so big in sleepy Nelson. If they had dug deeper, they would
have discovered that as early as 2001, one of New Zealand's leading experts on
such technology, Professor Tim Bell of Canterbury University, had tested
Whitley's invention and found it "mathematically impossible" that it could work.


But there were plenty � 490, in fact � who smelled a fortune and invested
$5.3 million in Whitley's company NearZero between August 2006 and May 2007.
That is not counting money poured into the project before 2006, which the
Serious Fraud Office estimated to be in the hundreds of thousands.


Investigators said much of Whitley's money was spent on his lifestyle � cars,
boats, travel � and his over-the-top security.


Before his fantasies got away on him, Whitley was an unremarkable enough man.
He had no particular qualifications, and some previous acquaintances now speak
of him disdainfully. He worked with software, although the full extent is
unclear. He had a family, and a passion for football and model yachting.

For a few heady months, when the money was pouring in from those convinced by
his claims, <span ="goog_qs-tidbit goog_qs-tidbit-1">he was the financial
backer of the Richmond Athletic Football Club, becoming its president</span>.


Current president Stu Reid recalls those days. <span ="goog_qs-tidbit goog_qs-tidbit-2">"He showed us the potential that we
could reach as a sports club,</span> and he certainly did have some big dreams."


He says Whitley was likeable, if not always believable.


"I thought some of the things that came out of his mouth were quite hard to
believe, but I never thought for a moment that he was actually doing what he was
accused of doing."

There were other odd aspects. For a supposedly high-flying businessman,
Whitley's dress sense raised eyebrows. Sometimes, he turned up to meetings in
track pants and slippers. "We kind of thought, `Who is this guy'?" Mr Reid says.


Whitley explained his casual attire by saying he got sick of wearing business
clothes while working in Auckland's rat race.


Mr Reid says alarm bells rang when Whitley started talking about his company
being worth billions and arriving at the club in a flash car flanked by security
men, who drove another flash car and carried out security checks of the field's
perimeter.


"If someone in our little sleepy town in Nelson says, `I've got a business
that's worth billions', you kind of go, `Hang on a minute, that doesn't make
sense'," Mr Reid says.


He visited Whitley at his business in Stoke's Wakatu Estate and says the
paranoia and security there were "weird".


"This is Phil Whitley, the president of our football club, and we can't even
get in the building to see him."��


Even now, Mr Reid says he does not believe Whitley meant the club any harm.
Yet the heights he had taken it to quickly evaporated, when the first wave of
investigators arrived to start scouring through Whitley's business affairs.


....That was the last time Mr Reid spoke with him. Whitley phoned him to say he
had to resign from the club, and that a story was about to appear in the
newspaper.


At the end of the call, he wished Mr Reid and the club luck. Despite his
personal feelings towards Whitley, Mr Reid says that kind gesture still lingers
with him.


The club was left with a team having to scratch together money to pay for a
bus to away games in the Christchurch-based league. They ended the season at the
bottom of the table and were eventually relegated.   


...The paranoia was subsequently explained by Whitley's belief that organised
crime networks could be after his technology.


His supporters seemed to forgive him his excesses, just as they accepted the
years of inaction when Whitley was said to have been stricken with the
brain-affecting virus encephalitis � or the numerous, often contradictory or
flimsy stories he came up with to convince others that enormous wealth lay
ahead, despite consistently failing to meet deadlines.


While it has been said that Whitley could be manipulative, unreliable and
unpleasant to work with, especially to those who pushed him, he charmed and
flattered others, and wooed them with big salaries.


His head security guard told the Nelson District Court that Whitley offered
to pay him $300,000 to $500,000 � a figure Whitley said he had settled on after
talking with Bill Gates' father.


The trial also showed that business contacts in Nelson enabled Whitley to
meet with contacts far outside his own world, even pitching his technology to
multinational spacecraft manufacturer Ball Aerospace.


His supporters were noticeably absent during his 20-day fraud trial, which
started in February and finally concluded in May.


The trial, before a judge alone, proved heavily lopsided. After a polished
three-week prosecution case by the SFO � which was remarkable for the calibre of
the witnesses, some of whom were flown in from London and Seattle to testify �
Whitley's defence lacked any punch.


The defence admitted Whitley didn't have the technology to the level he had
claimed, but because he was delusional, he genuinely believed it existed � an
argument ultimately dismissed by Judge David McKegg.


In his closing address, SFO prosecutor John Upton QC summed up the case by
calling Whitley a "manipulative liar" driven by greed.


"He was also a master of divide and rule, and played investors off against
each other, and was paranoid not that his technology would be discovered, but
that his fraud would be exposed."


He initially claimed he had an engineering degree as an automotive machinist,
before acknowledging he had only done an apprenticeship at Gisborne's Redstone
Motors. This appears to be his only qualification.


He used his supposed case of encephalitis to excuse "holes" in his memory.


While he made various claims about his work as a software developer,
including for Tairawhiti Healthcare in Gisborne, Nelson Mail inquiries have not
been able to confirm what work he actually did.


His former employer at Redstone Motors, Keith Redstone, recalls him as a
"smart talker" whom he came not to trust. "He was quite good at his work, but he
was a bit devious."


A search of the Companies Office register shows that Whitley has a number of
failed businesses behind him, usually involving computers. A silent partner in
one of those businesses says now that Whitley was "as cunning as a cartload of
monkeys" and he "wouldn't trust him with a dangerous dog".


His ability to tell tall tales was perhaps the most lasting impression left
from the trial.


In his verdict, Judge McKegg listed 13 lies Whitley had told about matters
relevant to his invention. He had lied about his qualifications, who he had
worked for, his family's assets, the money he had and the backers he had lined
up. "A pattern emerges in which the accused created falsehood upon falsehood in
order to sustain investment in his company," the judge said.

Whitley...�talked frankly about his battle with mental illness, saying that with
medication and a diagnosis of bipolar disorder, which led him to exaggerate
things, "I won't say I'm in a better space � I still get the horrors � but I'm
more calm and settled and not extravagant".

His sentencing next month � the charges carry sentences of up to 10 years in
prison � should see the door finally slammed on Whitley's house of cards.


But despite the court dismissing the existence of the technology, Whitley
continues to maintain that he has invented a data compression programme that
works to some degree. He told the Mail he hopes to get home detention so he can
work on software to pay back his creditors. '

The worst thing about that is how much Richmond keep talking themselves up every time this happens and all we hear all season long is how Richmond will dominate the Mainland Premier League when they qualify it.
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timmymadden wrote:
Big Pete 65 wrote:


�The most amusing local story-ever involving a club benefactor involves the Richmond Athletic club in Nelson. This guy forever defines the phrase "dodgy club sponsor" in terms of football in NZ. Reads like a parody almost. Also perhaps useful as a yardstick to measure football club backers by. The "Phoenix Seven" must definitely inspire confidence!
Philip Whitley spent tens of thousands of dollars he didn't have�on recruiting top Solomon Islands internationals and British pros, leaving them all unpaid and unable to afford the airfares home when his fraudulent business was exposed in 2007. His brother was the main benefactor of Gisborne City at the same time (in his case drawing on funds from Russian business dealings):
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Months before Whitley's 2007 arrest by the Serious Fraud Office on two
charges of misleading investors, tales of his strange and lavish lifestyle were
circling around Nelson.

The big-talking import from Gisborne was sponsoring a Richmond football team
to play in a South Island league, and was known to sweep up to the team's games
in one of his two new black 300C Chryslers � <span ="goog_qs-tidbit goog_qs-tidbit-0">rumoured to have bulletproof windows �
flanked by security guards. </span>


<span ="goog_qs-tidbit goog_qs-tidbit-0">He had shifted from Richmond to
a $2 million mansion in Redwood Valley.</span> Whispers circulated that the
businessman with the mullet-styled hairdo had invented the next big thing in IT�
that he was going to be in the same league or richer than Microsoft's Bill
Gates.


He needed the security, the story went, because he had discovered one of
computer science's holy grails � the ability to compress and re-expand digital
computer files in a "lossless" way, dramatically reducing the storage space
needed for data and allowing faster transmission of it.


It was a discovery potentially worth billions.


Some were sceptical of this self-made kingpin, questioning why he would be
sitting on something so big in sleepy Nelson. If they had dug deeper, they would
have discovered that as early as 2001, one of New Zealand's leading experts on
such technology, Professor Tim Bell of Canterbury University, had tested
Whitley's invention and found it "mathematically impossible" that it could work.


But there were plenty � 490, in fact � who smelled a fortune and invested
$5.3 million in Whitley's company NearZero between August 2006 and May 2007.
That is not counting money poured into the project before 2006, which the
Serious Fraud Office estimated to be in the hundreds of thousands.


Investigators said much of Whitley's money was spent on his lifestyle � cars,
boats, travel � and his over-the-top security.


Before his fantasies got away on him, Whitley was an unremarkable enough man.
He had no particular qualifications, and some previous acquaintances now speak
of him disdainfully. He worked with software, although the full extent is
unclear. He had a family, and a passion for football and model yachting.

For a few heady months, when the money was pouring in from those convinced by
his claims, <span ="goog_qs-tidbit goog_qs-tidbit-1">he was the financial
backer of the Richmond Athletic Football Club, becoming its president</span>.


Current president Stu Reid recalls those days. <span ="goog_qs-tidbit goog_qs-tidbit-2">"He showed us the potential that we
could reach as a sports club,</span> and he certainly did have some big dreams."


He says Whitley was likeable, if not always believable.


"I thought some of the things that came out of his mouth were quite hard to
believe, but I never thought for a moment that he was actually doing what he was
accused of doing."

There were other odd aspects. For a supposedly high-flying businessman,
Whitley's dress sense raised eyebrows. Sometimes, he turned up to meetings in
track pants and slippers. "We kind of thought, `Who is this guy'?" Mr Reid says.


Whitley explained his casual attire by saying he got sick of wearing business
clothes while working in Auckland's rat race.


Mr Reid says alarm bells rang when Whitley started talking about his company
being worth billions and arriving at the club in a flash car flanked by security
men, who drove another flash car and carried out security checks of the field's
perimeter.


"If someone in our little sleepy town in Nelson says, `I've got a business
that's worth billions', you kind of go, `Hang on a minute, that doesn't make
sense'," Mr Reid says.


He visited Whitley at his business in Stoke's Wakatu Estate and says the
paranoia and security there were "weird".


"This is Phil Whitley, the president of our football club, and we can't even
get in the building to see him."��


Even now, Mr Reid says he does not believe Whitley meant the club any harm.
Yet the heights he had taken it to quickly evaporated, when the first wave of
investigators arrived to start scouring through Whitley's business affairs.


....That was the last time Mr Reid spoke with him. Whitley phoned him to say he
had to resign from the club, and that a story was about to appear in the
newspaper.


At the end of the call, he wished Mr Reid and the club luck. Despite his
personal feelings towards Whitley, Mr Reid says that kind gesture still lingers
with him.


The club was left with a team having to scratch together money to pay for a
bus to away games in the Christchurch-based league. They ended the season at the
bottom of the table and were eventually relegated.   


...The paranoia was subsequently explained by Whitley's belief that organised
crime networks could be after his technology.


His supporters seemed to forgive him his excesses, just as they accepted the
years of inaction when Whitley was said to have been stricken with the
brain-affecting virus encephalitis � or the numerous, often contradictory or
flimsy stories he came up with to convince others that enormous wealth lay
ahead, despite consistently failing to meet deadlines.


While it has been said that Whitley could be manipulative, unreliable and
unpleasant to work with, especially to those who pushed him, he charmed and
flattered others, and wooed them with big salaries.


His head security guard told the Nelson District Court that Whitley offered
to pay him $300,000 to $500,000 � a figure Whitley said he had settled on after
talking with Bill Gates' father.


The trial also showed that business contacts in Nelson enabled Whitley to
meet with contacts far outside his own world, even pitching his technology to
multinational spacecraft manufacturer Ball Aerospace.


His supporters were noticeably absent during his 20-day fraud trial, which
started in February and finally concluded in May.


The trial, before a judge alone, proved heavily lopsided. After a polished
three-week prosecution case by the SFO � which was remarkable for the calibre of
the witnesses, some of whom were flown in from London and Seattle to testify �
Whitley's defence lacked any punch.


The defence admitted Whitley didn't have the technology to the level he had
claimed, but because he was delusional, he genuinely believed it existed � an
argument ultimately dismissed by Judge David McKegg.


In his closing address, SFO prosecutor John Upton QC summed up the case by
calling Whitley a "manipulative liar" driven by greed.


"He was also a master of divide and rule, and played investors off against
each other, and was paranoid not that his technology would be discovered, but
that his fraud would be exposed."


He initially claimed he had an engineering degree as an automotive machinist,
before acknowledging he had only done an apprenticeship at Gisborne's Redstone
Motors. This appears to be his only qualification.


He used his supposed case of encephalitis to excuse "holes" in his memory.


While he made various claims about his work as a software developer,
including for Tairawhiti Healthcare in Gisborne, Nelson Mail inquiries have not
been able to confirm what work he actually did.


His former employer at Redstone Motors, Keith Redstone, recalls him as a
"smart talker" whom he came not to trust. "He was quite good at his work, but he
was a bit devious."


A search of the Companies Office register shows that Whitley has a number of
failed businesses behind him, usually involving computers. A silent partner in
one of those businesses says now that Whitley was "as cunning as a cartload of
monkeys" and he "wouldn't trust him with a dangerous dog".


His ability to tell tall tales was perhaps the most lasting impression left
from the trial.


In his verdict, Judge McKegg listed 13 lies Whitley had told about matters
relevant to his invention. He had lied about his qualifications, who he had
worked for, his family's assets, the money he had and the backers he had lined
up. "A pattern emerges in which the accused created falsehood upon falsehood in
order to sustain investment in his company," the judge said.

Whitley...�talked frankly about his battle with mental illness, saying that with
medication and a diagnosis of bipolar disorder, which led him to exaggerate
things, "I won't say I'm in a better space � I still get the horrors � but I'm
more calm and settled and not extravagant".

His sentencing next month � the charges carry sentences of up to 10 years in
prison � should see the door finally slammed on Whitley's house of cards.


But despite the court dismissing the existence of the technology, Whitley
continues to maintain that he has invented a data compression programme that
works to some degree. He told the Mail he hopes to get home detention so he can
work on software to pay back his creditors. '

The worst thing about that is how much Richmond keep talking themselves up every time this happens and all we hear all season long is how Richmond will dominate the Mainland Premier League when they qualify it.

I think the worst thing about this is the length of the post... No?
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edited, too much info 
hepatitis2011-10-03 20:13:45
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To be fair I only read the top part of the post given the story was fairly obvious and just hit quote.
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Doloras wrote:
Now I'm certainly not someone known for being hard on Terry, but if you have to compare him to Phil Whitley to make him look good, that's damning with faint praise indeed.
Not really even comparing, did not intend it to make any comment on relative merits of both men as football club backers, more just cataloguing what I consider the most hilarious episode in the history of backers of NZ football clubs who end up in financial strife (Whitley).
Only comparison would be in relative levels of sanity and that's a very subjective thing....
Maybe because Serepisos is the most prominent of the tiny handful of private owners of sports teams in NZ history (only the Breakers in basketball currently owned by one individual?), there's a bit of the tall poppy syndrome in evidence now the guy's down and out, whereas overseas such situations are a dime a dozen...and barely raise an eyebrow.
There's probably not so much that's funny about Serepisos' problems given that he was at least a legitimate businessman (as far as these kind of speculators can be legit) operating in a more conventional way.

Big Pete 65, Christchurch

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