He should just be grateful he hasn't got money in the league!!
Well done boys a win for the new owners, a good send off to the old owner.
Phoenix Ownership - Rob says FTFFA (Part 1)
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https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/5947456/Ricki-Herbert-yet-to-sign-contract-with-Phoenix/
any ideas on who they could be....
Welnix GP Limited member Gareth Morgan confirmed that two additional Wellington businessmen had joined the consortium but did not want to give away their identities at this stage.
The other six original members are brothers Rob and Lloyd Morrison, Campbell Gower, Lib Petagna, Henry Tait and James Brow.
"I don't think they want to be named but there are nine," Morgan said.
"We want to see if we can get a good sized Wellington consortium to give this thing some guts in terms of ongoing support and skills. It just means you can spread the load wider in all sorts of ways."
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Serry Terepisos and Guy Incognito.
In other "Dancing on Grave" news, the Fairfax media illustrate a "why it's okay to fail in business" story with a pic of Terry even though he's not mentioned in it.
In other "Dancing on Grave" news, the Fairfax media illustrate a "why it's okay to fail in business" story with a pic of Terry even though he's not mentioned in it.
Ramming liberal dribble down your throat since 2009
This forum needs less angst and more Kate Bush threads
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Nek minnit - more owners than we've got players
https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/5947456/Ricki-Herbert-yet-to-sign-contract-with-Phoenix/
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Welnix GP Limited member Gareth Morgan confirmed that two additional Wellington businessmen had joined the consortium but did not want to give away their identities at this stage.
The other six original members are brothers Rob and Lloyd Morrison, Campbell Gower, Lib Petagna, Henry Tait and James Brow.
"I don't think they want to be named but there are nine," Morgan said.
"We want to see if we can get a good sized Wellington consortium to give this thing some guts in terms of ongoing support and skills. It just means you can spread the load wider in all sorts of ways."
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"spread the load wider in all sorts of ways"
Tehehe
Tehehe
Filthy little man
Seriously though, adding 2 more to the mix spreads the costs and shows that there is real support behind the Nix in the business community.
Teza2011-11-12 10:22:42
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Bump.
I saw this evening that the NZ Rugby Union are looking at selling the Super 15 Franchises, and on TV3 they asked Gareth Morgan whether the Nix Nine would be interested in buying them. There was an element of journo story-fabricating to it, but Gareth Morgan actually said that they'd be open to the idea.
I was wondering if Feverites would have any objections to this, or whether they think it's a good idea?
Was also wondering if this kind of setup (i.e. owning teams across multiple codes) works well overseas? Doesn't Tinkler own the Jets and the Knights? Does anyone know if this works well, or whether it causes any problems?
Personally I don't have a strong opinion either way, but would be curious as to whether other people do.
I saw this evening that the NZ Rugby Union are looking at selling the Super 15 Franchises, and on TV3 they asked Gareth Morgan whether the Nix Nine would be interested in buying them. There was an element of journo story-fabricating to it, but Gareth Morgan actually said that they'd be open to the idea.
I was wondering if Feverites would have any objections to this, or whether they think it's a good idea?
Was also wondering if this kind of setup (i.e. owning teams across multiple codes) works well overseas? Doesn't Tinkler own the Jets and the Knights? Does anyone know if this works well, or whether it causes any problems?
Personally I don't have a strong opinion either way, but would be curious as to whether other people do.
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...so as long as we don't get that awful yellow on the Hurricanes jersey...
Has that not already happened? I haven't compared the current Phoenix and Hurricanes kits side-by-side or anything, but I would say that we adopted Hurricanes yellow when we went with adidas.
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...so as long as we don't get that awful yellow on the Hurricanes jersey...
Has that not already happened? I haven't compared the current Phoenix and Hurricanes kits side-by-side or anything, but I would say that we adopted Hurricanes yellow when we went with adidas.
This. They're pretty similar.
I could see it happening and I think there would be positives from it.
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I'd be happy with having healthy football and rugby teams in Wellington because that last Super Rugby season was almost enough to put this new-to-rugby fan off for good!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe_B5CzbTJo - Caceres winning penalty v Perth - footage from the Fever Zone
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Two seasons ago the Nix and the Canes did a joint appearance at Midlands Park. A bit embarrassing for the Canes as there were many more Nix supporters/colours than Canes.
Dadi and Ma'a had fun comparing their dreads (or at least Dadi did).
Dadi and Ma'a had fun comparing their dreads (or at least Dadi did).
"Phoenix till they lose"
Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion.
Genuine opinion: FTFFA
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What's Rugby?
It's a game played by arrogant Eton school boys on the piss and on the pull.
- R Smalley (
- almost as much as Ifill )
"Phoenix till they lose"
Posting 97% bollox, 8% lies and 3.658% genuine opinion.
Genuine opinion: FTFFA
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Dumb idea IMO. Welnix should stick to football. Financing the Hurricanes as well just means a diluted effort and both would suffer. I can't see any advantages for the Nix apart from maybe sharing office/staff support etc. Plus the Eggball franchising is all about handing over money and not getting any power/control. Welnix own the Nix and they have absolute say in how/where their money goes.
Rugby is an weird game where they shout stuff like "crouch, touch, hold, engage"
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Steve Tew was on Radio Live this arvo, they're not selling the franchises they're just looking for investors to take a 'license' to run the club but the franchise will still be owned by NZRU. It's a bit like how the A-league has been run except the NZRU will still pay the wages of the players who qualify to play for the ABs.
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In relation to all the talk about emulating the 'Warriors Model' I read this Herald article which talks about Warriors' recruitment manager Dean Bell. IMO the Nix having someone in this same position with the sole purpose of finding NZ's best talent for the development team is crucial and it's likely if the Nix Nine actually want to do it the same way the Warriors are.
But who would be the best person for the job?
There seems to be a lot of ex AWs/current local coaches who don't like or get along with Ricki so maybe the Nix should look overseas?
I just think it's really important that they find the right person so we end up with the Marco's and Kosta's and not the Musa's.
But who would be the best person for the job?
There seems to be a lot of ex AWs/current local coaches who don't like or get along with Ricki so maybe the Nix should look overseas?
I just think it's really important that they find the right person so we end up with the Marco's and Kosta's and not the Musa's.
Fuck this stupid game
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And also in relation to the 'Warriors Model' direction, the Warriors have the Vulcans playing in the NSW Cup, is there any intention by the Nix Nine to have a similar Phoenix feeder team (and what are the logistics involved with this team playing either in the ASBP/Central League or the VPL etc) or is this one area that is too complicated to replicate in our code? Or is having the youth/development team as far as the Nix Nine want to go in terms of the 'Warriors Model'?
Apologies if the above points have been discussed, point me in that direction if that's the case.
CheersTopLeft072011-12-05 13:11:55
Apologies if the above points have been discussed, point me in that direction if that's the case.
CheersTopLeft072011-12-05 13:11:55
Fuck this stupid game
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Bump.
I saw this evening that the NZ Rugby Union are looking at selling the Super 15 Franchises, and on TV3 they asked Gareth Morgan whether the Nix Nine would be interested in buying them. There was an element of journo story-fabricating to it, but Gareth Morgan actually said that they'd be open to the idea.
I was wondering if Feverites would have any objections to this, or whether they think it's a good idea?
Was also wondering if this kind of setup (i.e. owning teams across multiple codes) works well overseas? Doesn't Tinkler own the Jets and the Knights? Does anyone know if this works well, or whether it causes any problems?
Personally I don't have a strong opinion either way, but would be curious as to whether other people do.
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Well there are some things like shared training facilities and possibly staff as well as improved sponsorship deals across two codes almost all year round. Shared marketing, access to both sets of members. The only issue will be if there appears to be any favouritism from the owners.
[QUOTE=TopLeft07] And also in relation to the 'Warriors Model' direction, the Warriors have the Vulcans playing in the NSW Cup, is there any intention by the Nix Nine to have a similar Phoenix feeder team (and what are the logistics involved with this team playing either in the ASBP/Central League or the VPL etc) or is this one area that is too complicated to replicate in our code? Or is having the youth/development team as far as the Nix Nine want to go in terms of the 'Warriors Model'?
Apologies if the above points have been discussed, point me in that direction if that's the case.
Cheers
I saw this evening that the NZ Rugby Union are looking at selling the Super 15 Franchises, and on TV3 they asked Gareth Morgan whether the Nix Nine would be interested in buying them. There was an element of journo story-fabricating to it, but Gareth Morgan actually said that they'd be open to the idea.
I was wondering if Feverites would have any objections to this, or whether they think it's a good idea?
Was also wondering if this kind of setup (i.e. owning teams across multiple codes) works well overseas? Doesn't Tinkler own the Jets and the Knights? Does anyone know if this works well, or whether it causes any problems?
Personally I don't have a strong opinion either way, but would be curious as to whether other people do.
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Well there are some things like shared training facilities and possibly staff as well as improved sponsorship deals across two codes almost all year round. Shared marketing, access to both sets of members. The only issue will be if there appears to be any favouritism from the owners.
[QUOTE=TopLeft07] And also in relation to the 'Warriors Model' direction, the Warriors have the Vulcans playing in the NSW Cup, is there any intention by the Nix Nine to have a similar Phoenix feeder team (and what are the logistics involved with this team playing either in the ASBP/Central League or the VPL etc) or is this one area that is too complicated to replicate in our code? Or is having the youth/development team as far as the Nix Nine want to go in terms of the 'Warriors Model'?
Apologies if the above points have been discussed, point me in that direction if that's the case.
Cheers
I would think that a reserve team (youth + non-first choice 'Nix) for the 'Nix playing in Oz makes more sense than playing in NZ. Issues regarding player registration and playing competitive games in NZ, amateur vs pro status etc.
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How many non-first choice overage players can play for a youth side?
The warriors have good depth at their club and all of their players get game time week in week out if not in the Warriors top side, the Vulcans and the U20s.
The Phoenix always seam to have 3+ very average players on their books and we usually only find out how average they are when they play due to injuries to other players. I don't know if these guys are rubbish because of their lack of game time or if they are just rubbish so don't get game time (chicken before egg?).
The warriors have good depth at their club and all of their players get game time week in week out if not in the Warriors top side, the Vulcans and the U20s.
The Phoenix always seam to have 3+ very average players on their books and we usually only find out how average they are when they play due to injuries to other players. I don't know if these guys are rubbish because of their lack of game time or if they are just rubbish so don't get game time (chicken before egg?).
Fuck this stupid game
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How many non-first choice overage players can play for a youth side?
The warriors have good depth at their club and all of their players get game time week in week out if not in the Warriors top side, the Vulcans and the U20s.
The Phoenix always seam to have 3+ very average players on their books and we usually only find out how average they are when they play due to injuries to other players. I don't know if these guys are rubbish because of their lack of game time or if they are just rubbish so don't get game time (chicken before egg?).
The warriors have good depth at their club and all of their players get game time week in week out if not in the Warriors top side, the Vulcans and the U20s.
The Phoenix always seam to have 3+ very average players on their books and we usually only find out how average they are when they play due to injuries to other players. I don't know if these guys are rubbish because of their lack of game time or if they are just rubbish so don't get game time (chicken before egg?).
I think at present teams in the NYL can have 4 over age players. So if you include the 14 players that at most could play in HAL on the weekend you could have up to 18 over age players (more first teamers if youth are playing in NYL) getting some football roughly on a weekly basis. Really good for players to regain fitness and/or touch and bring through youth.
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As much as I want us to have a team in the NYL, the cost of running one makes it unlikely in the short term.
I think the first step should be a development team in the ASB Premiership. Because of the international transfer issues & amateur status, we wouldn't be able to play our squad members who are not playing. but it is still a positive move to get young players training with the club, and exposing them to a professional set up.
I think the first step should be a development team in the ASB Premiership. Because of the international transfer issues & amateur status, we wouldn't be able to play our squad members who are not playing. but it is still a positive move to get young players training with the club, and exposing them to a professional set up.
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As much as I want us to have a team in the NYL, the cost of running one makes it unlikely in the short term. I think the first step should be a development team in the ASB Premiership. Because of the international transfer issues & amateur status, we wouldn't be able to play our squad members who are not playing. but it is still a positive move to get young players training with the club, and exposing them to a professional set up.
I do think that is good goal to have but I would have it the other way around in terms of importance. It is more important that we have the ability to give first team players (both over age and youth) game time as if we only have a development team in the ASB premiership, what happens to those players that do get signed by the 'Nix and aren't able to get game time with the first team? We are stuck with the same situation we have at the moment.
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Exactly, they must be able to play for the first and reserve team depending on how well each player is doing but must be able to go up and down at any time for whatever reason. No point doing the ASBP thing if it means the players aren't available and the team can't be used to give players game time.
Fuck this stupid game
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Annual title tilt not feasible
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/soccer-football/news/article.cfm?c_id=86&objectid=10776126
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/soccer-football/news/article.cfm?c_id=86&objectid=10776126
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Annual title tilt not feasible
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/soccer-football/news/article.cfm?c_id=86&objectid=10776126
The heading about Annual Title Tilt Not Feasible is a bit of media beatup headliine.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/soccer-football/news/article.cfm?c_id=86&objectid=10776126
Having read the article it all sounds like common sense. what they are actually saying is they won't splash the cash and buy a dream team coz history shows that this rarely works. The example he gives with Melb and Sydney spending big on name players but are crap this year while CCM and the Roar are top without doing the same is correct.
These Welnix guys are smart operators... They have a plan and it has a high probability of working. I especially like the youth development idea. In these financially tough times there is not the cash to spend up large. There are plenty of examples of clubs doing well with a strong youth system. Barcelona is the most famous but just recently Man U were knocked out of the Champions League by Basel...thats right Basel and the Basel team fielded 6 players that had come through their youth academy.
My only worry is that no one else in NZ football will support their vision. Last month the CEO of NZF Kavanagh came out and said it is not the job of NZF to feed players into the Nix...
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I read what Morrison said and that's not really what I think he was saying.
He was talking more along the lines about overpaying to buy a title (think Lakers, Chelsea, Dallas Mavericks, Yankees etc) He was more talking about making correct decisions and investing in talent worth investing in and putting out a team that was going to compete each week for the budget they have and put them in the frame to be thereabouts. To be honest, he talked like (if I read between the lines) using the same model the Warriors are...
I could also be reading that through rose coloured glasses
Jeff Vader2012-01-01 17:23:05
He was talking more along the lines about overpaying to buy a title (think Lakers, Chelsea, Dallas Mavericks, Yankees etc) He was more talking about making correct decisions and investing in talent worth investing in and putting out a team that was going to compete each week for the budget they have and put them in the frame to be thereabouts. To be honest, he talked like (if I read between the lines) using the same model the Warriors are...
I could also be reading that through rose coloured glasses
Jeff Vader2012-01-01 17:23:05
Grumpy old bastard alert
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