Phoenix Ownership - Rob says FTFFA (Part 2)

Everyone can fudge right off.

But back on topic..... WTF is happening???? What is it? 10 years or 4 or 4 years with options for 10 years?

wait... does this mean... 

are you whooo????????????

I'm saying that everyone is clearly off topic and can fudge off.

ok

... warning.

My guess is that this is the sticking point. The length of each term and the criteria behind the extensions. The FFA are just trying to pressure WelNix the only way they know how, through poorly thought out and inflammatory leaks.

I'd say Welnix would feel satisfied with a 4 + guaranteed extension that kicks in as soon as reasonable criteria is met, what we don't want is to be in the situation that we are in right now in 4 years. 3 year extensions are too short imo.

In Doloras' immortal words, "no vaseline".

I'm in post-Carney depression and I almost just want WelNix to say 'f*ck off' and leave now.

Performance based 4 year license? No. Way.

I honestly can't see the A League lasting 10 years anyway unless there's major reform in the way it's governed. Time to start talking to the other owners about challenging the FFA's dictatorship. An independent governance structure with all stakeholders represented is needed to ensure that the interests of the competition are separated from the interests of the FFA. Obviously the interests aren't mutually exclusive but they aren't synonymous either.

Welnix should take the best they can get from the FFA regardless of how bad it is, then plot revolution. The FFA want to fudge us over, so we should fudge them over

I wouldn't be surprised if FFA was holding off the Cronulla Riots until a replacement for another floundering club is needed.

They hope to right their ship in 4 years from now and possibly see if they need us then. 

With that lot in charge of HAL, i would say we have a long future ahead of us as we will be indispensable to HAL as the  only non-derby club apart from Perth and Adelaide left.

4-3-3, 4-4-2, 4-5-1. I'm fourking over this shark from the FFA and their media mouthpieces; I'm looking at you Dominic.

They should be aiming for 2 more clubs, not cutting off one of the few independent money sources in the game so they can have all Sydney derbies all the time.

I'd like to see 4 new clubs added, including another from New Zealand.

1) Christchurch Tremors

2) Albany Terrors (with Besart Berisha as marquee)

3) Dunedin Scarfies

4) Manukau Mongrels (for derbies)

Lower Hutt, Upper Hutt, Porirua, Kapiti Coast.

Let's leverage some derbies off our pre-existing metrics and engage with all those fans in the greater Wellington region we haven't been able to connect with.

Oooh! That's borderline racist. Hone Fowler and the people behind the Auckland United ASBPrem bid want a word with you. :-/

Mere play of words.  If it protects my bodily integrity, i will settle on 

4) Mairangi Bay Mongrels.

Oh I work in Mairangi Bay, Can I be in the team?

Sure, if you have enough mongrel. Those derbies against Albany will be legendary.

Transfer fee has not been agreed or discussed... 

we now have the 12th team to go with the Cronella Riots stepping forward.  SMFC have been turned down from day one. I was told it was due to the very nationality based structure. 

Greece is the word, is the word that you heard.

Bossi has another go.

How do they not feel embarassed printing that dross under their name?

The Phoenix came under criticism? Really? What a fudgein joke.

There are simply no repercussions for telling outright lies.

Dom "Honorary Lowy" Bossi.

So what are these 'lies' that are meant to be in that article?

Damn all of you guys for your harsh criticisms of the Phoenix by blaming the FFA and giving your full support and patience to the Nix.  Scathing criticism's right there.

For sure the FFA have been complete bastards but im not naive enough to think that our Welnix guys cant come in for some criticism over an issue that has just dragged on for far to long.For me despite the assurances from Ernie this has to be getting in to the players heads even if they wont admit it.

You read Phoenix FB Posts? You're a braver man than me Steve.

What are they supposed to say? 

They can only say it hasn't been signed and are negotiating in good faith etc. - which they have done.

They could be like 'we are going to sign XYZ amazing player' but it doesn't eventuate to the frustration of fans, or just be 'we are interested in some players' and announce the signing when its completed - same situation.

The welnix group have shown seriously impressive levels of integrity in the way they've dealt with this whole thing. 
To now get tripe like this, "nix coming under criticism" and whatnot, I mean jaysus, I don't know how welnix continue to keep a lid on things, they must be losing their sh*rk internally. 

It really is a long constant kicking of testicles whilst lying on the floor, and they continue to take it with the most ridiculous amount of grace.

Absolute legends. 

FYI - my exasperation was that "the Phoenix" have come under criticism (which they have, but no, bugger Facebook) with absolutely zero mention of any criticism (heaven forbid) of the golden goose that is the FFA.

I'm all for criticising of the Phoenix, I have done myself - but it would be nice if one these "repeaters not reporters" (to quote myself lol) such as Bossi and his mates provided some semblance of balance in their articles.

I know, I know...

So what should the Welnix do?

Do you want them to negotiate through bitching in the media?  Like the PFS vs FFA negotiations which was a shark storm?

Or would you rather they told us something like they are on the verge of the 10 year agreement, they just need to dot the i's and cross the t's and then have to eat their words when the FFA changes their minds?

Both of those options sound like bad ideas, and were bad ideas when they happened.  Personally Id rather they complete the deal or get it very close before they tell us.

The reality is right now the reason a deal hasn't been completed is the FFA.  If the FFA just treated us like any other club, the deal would have been completed 12 months ago, no issues.

The reality is the Welnix are having to try to figure out if the FFA's demands are feasible, and if not try and make the FFA budge,

So in what way are the Welnix open to criticism?  because the FFA havent given them enough power?  because the FFA is being unrealistic? Or for not making optimistic comments to the press knowing the FFA could screw them over? 

Let's not forget that there is some history with Welnix either speaking with forked tongue or being economical with the truth, so let's not be too quick to judge people's unease with the situation. I also have no problem with how the media have been reporting this imminent license extension; that Bossi report threw in enough quotes and stuff to make it a legitimate 'story'. People are being far too precious. 

So you have no problem that a Wellington reporter published a story saying we had a licence, then had to back track and edit the story once he bothered to check with the Phoenix?

Not particularly, its not exactly life or death is it?