Phoenix Ownership - Rob says FTFFA (Part 2)

Also, some of the other tenants are broke so from time to time the landlord is lending them some cash,so they can pay him rent, till they get some other sources of income. Not to Rob, of course, as he never missed a rent payment.

oh my god the bullshark just to get a few games of footy in NZ

FFA usues us as a whipping block (442).au

It appears in this article the interview was with "The New Zealand Herald." 

(Hold it Rob may have talked to them as well (but I think they listened ;-(|  )

Obvious written press journo's don't have ears.

Piney is Radio and darn good at it.

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FFA usues us as a whipping block (442).au

It appears in this article the interview was with "The New Zealand Herald." 

(Hold it Rob may have talked to them as well (but I think they listened ;-(|  )

Obvious written press journo's don't have ears.

Piney is Radio and darn good at it.

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Piney did also write his interview up for the Herald: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12038671.

No, the landlord can afford to fix it from the income he receives from the labour the tenants do on his behalf (ie their employer) but he spends it elsewhere and chooses to neglect them.

I'm a little confused, Rob did admit the club had been speaking to prospective buyers???But the club is not for sale?. 

Ha Ha

Dated 25-04-2018 11.55 am  Micael Lynch writes.

Michael Lynch, The Age's expert on soccer, has had extensive experience of high level journalism in the UK and Australia. Michael has covered the Socceroos through Asia, Europe and South America in their past three World Cup campaigns.

For the right price, anything is for sale. 

Not sure if anyone's commented on Andrew Voerman's  opinion piece from a couple of days back. 

'Phoenix chairman Rob Morrison's belated appearance does little to ease concerns' 

https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/football/a-league/10...

does news of us shopping our licence round now give strength to a decision to boot us out in two years?

Boofheads and pissed off Australian's are making a feast on this thread.......

Stuff

IMO this quote could be said by all owners excluding the CITY GROUP

"I think it'd be fantastic if we had either a much closer alliance into Australia, which strengthened our position from an A-League point of view, or if we had an international club invest in us and created better pathways for our players coming through, but also the ability to attract - beg, borrow or steal - talent back the other way to the Nix," Morrison said.

I believe what he(Morrison) is suggesting, is that the Nix could be a feeder club or nursery for a serious club outside of the A League like City did. NOT merge with another A League club. Also I note potential A League candidates have not spoken to just the Nix but to the other clubs too. Probably checking out their business plans and how they operate. Another convenient fact lost on the media and message boards.

I usually like reading Voerman's articles - but I found this piece overally negative. I don't think Rob Morrison could have performed much better in that RS interview, or said anything more to allay the fan's fears.

The confusing thing is he mentioned strengthening ties with Australia with an Australian investor, but then talked about having a bigger club to send players to.

Perhaps the strengthening ties to Australia is more of the same sort of strategy that they have been pursuing with relationships with NPL teams and also Canberra United in the W-League.

As long as they bring in cash, and help relieve the owner's of some of their own personal financial burden - surely all equity partner options are on the table.

The landlord of course isn't broke, he's just taken all the rent from this house and used it to fund all of his other houses.  In the meantime he has no idea how to get this house back in order, just that he wants to keep owning it.

It would be nice if he'd actually clarified that then, because the comments were a little light on detail.

What is there to clarify? Basically they are happy to talk to any potential equity partners/white knights.

They would love a new party to inject some cash.

What the final structure of any equity partnership/cash investment would be - they probably don't even know themselves.

But they are experienced business types, pretty skilled no doubt in the art of negotiation. Every 'business' deal has negotiable terms - so any final structure could be anything & everything. Keeping the Nix in Wellington is the main thing.

The big issue in the background of course, is trying to also broker an Independent A League. Get that across the line, and then any investment into the Nix by someone new, becomes a lot more attractive.

Rob Morrison is no doubt a busy boy at the moment, just let him get on with it.

yeah, to me it made perfect sense. The Welnix crew would welcome other investors to come on board and ease some of the costs to the current investors - some or one of whom wants out. He said that he had been looking into options with other clubs in Australia last season to investigate a junior team and w-league team but they fell flat. He also said it would be awesome if they could link up with a bigger club to help attracting some of the Kiwi players back to us instead of having them leaving all the time.

So no one's concerned about South Melbourne confirming the article posted above?

Bigger Club = Auckland City?

Did you mean the "South Melbourne Phoenix" troll account on Twitter?

Ifill pretty negative in interview with Simon hill on fox sports platforms. 

I'm not concerned about that one, because it would theoretically be a takeover and there'll be no Phoenix. Just the fact that South Melbourne have posted about the claims they'll approach us.

I see it as this. There are apparently around 10 bids coming in for the two new proposed expansion spots. Some of these will be strong bids, with a good chance of success, eg South Melbourne & Southern Expansion. 

These stronger bids are also sniffing around the Phoenix. They are not interested in any partnership with the Nix, or survival of the Nix - they just want to buy the Nix license, to speed up their entry into the A League.

I'd say Rob Morrison is wasting his time talking to them - unless there is an about turn and Nix do decide to sell. Otherwise he should be telling these predators to fudge off.

However some of the others bidders will have little chance, of having their expansion bid approved. Is there a bid coming in from Canberra?

If so I'd suggest that's one with not a great chance, of becoming one of the two new teams. Does any the Canberra expansion bid involve the ACT Government? If so there maybe an opportunity for Nix to take 2-3 games a year to Canberra, in exchange for ACT Govt and/or a Canberra Group injecting capital into the Phoenix. This may also work in with the Phoenix taking over Canberra Cannons W League team, or similar.

There is a well known precedent for this in Australian sport. Hawthorn Hawks AFL team take about 3 'home' games to Tasmania each year. In exchange the Tasmanian Govt gives Hawks a lot of cash. Admittedly it's much easier for a Melbourne AFL team to build a brand (and therefore grow their supporter base) in Tasmania - a 1 hour flight away - than it ever would be for the Nix to build a brand in Canberra. However if could broker an agreement, whereby say the Southern Expansion team (obviously provided they are accepted to the A League), took their 1-2 Nix home games each year to Canberra as well - and then suddenly you have Nix playing 4 times a year at their 2nd 'home'.

I think North Melbourne Kangaroos AFL team do a similar deal with ACT Govt, ie take some games to Canberra. Western Bulldogs AFL also take games to Northern Territory, Darwin??

How much did Wellington City Council pay St Kilda for those AFL games to come to the Cake Tin?

Anyway I'd suggest what Nix should be doing is talking to those expansion bid groups, that in reality have little chance of being accepted to the A League - but are desperate to have some A League games in their city/area.  Then try to broker a deal with that bid team/state government, with a 'games for cash deal'.

Another locale that might work is Sunshine Coast, Queensland. No chance of joining A League anytime soon - but have a good size stadium, only 1 hour north of Brisbane airport. Plenty of Kiwis live on Sunny Coast. Their netball team were national champs last year - and local University is their big sponsor.

Note if could be made to work, all other Nix games to be in Wellington, ie end of games going to other locales in NZ.

I'm sure Rob Morrison is working hard behind the scenes, trying to make something work. Probably little chance of success in short term, until the two successful bid teams are definitely known (leaving unsuccessful bid teams  to consider their options), and/or Independent A League is confirmed.

that's a great post but if anyone it will be auckland

I actually think that taking into account Robs recent remarks and the activities of this year, there is a greater than 50 per cent chance that this will happen

Will also likely earn them some respite from the currrnt regime - assuming they stay in power and Rob doesn't topple them

New Zealand Phoenix?

Who in Auckland is going to invest in this?

Huawei

Huawei are going to invest and buy a stake in the Phoenix?

well they already invest quite a bit in the Phoenix, doubt they'd buy a stake though.  

Think there would be a couple of groups in Auckland that would be interested (not necessarily ACFC), but most of them would probably want to move the team there

I think it’s more likely an investor/equity partner will appear out of Australia, rather than NZ. Morrison has already stated as much.

If FIFA move CWC to a 4 yearly cycle as proposed, ACFC won’t like that. That maybe a trigger for them to try, and pull together their own A League bid. Maybe

Interesting times.

But that's what we're talking about though - investment, rather than sponsorship which is what Huawei have been providing (and there's absolutely no guarantee that they will continue to provide it).

I'd be very surprised if there was anyone in Auckland who-d even be remotely interested in this, and it seemed pretty clear that Rob was talking Australia in this context - which is what Coochie laid in his original post too.

They mentioned Australia as well as bigger clubs overseas. I don't know what Australian investment would do for the club from a strategic perpsective.

It would be the first cut in the death by thousand cuts scenario.

It seems like the two issues for the owners are

A- future of FFA control of A league

B- obtaining new investment partners.

A is uncertain outcome for a while yet it seems which affects B potential of happening.

B is interesting because they obviously dont think anyone or had no luck so far getting NZ investors.  Dont know if Aus investors is the best way to go for the future of the club. A premier league club sounds ideal, but would they really want to invest in us until the licence/ A league future saga is sorted. 

North go to Tassie as well, and Bulldogs in the past did go up north but Melbourne are currently the ones that go to Darwin. Greater Western Sydney play in Blacktown, but have specified games in Canberra.

Anyway, I don't know. We need to sort something out quickly. Hopefully Morrison stays true to his word and doesn't sell.