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about 13 years ago

rjmiller wrote:

patrick478 wrote:

Great that Welnix have finally opened their wallets, I highly doubt that Hernandez would have come cheap. Perhaps they are finally learning that they can't run the club on as little money as they thought they could.


We don't really know. When he was at Melbourne he wasn't an official Marquee player. Ricki may have used one ninth of the salary cap on one player. Or Hernandez may be cheaper than you think, after all India must be one of the weakest professional leagues in the world, he wanted to come back to the a-league and other teams may not have trusted his work rate or simply offered less. Or yes they may have decided they need better results so will spend a bit but I suspect the salary cap mantra is still in effect.


On about $300,000 at his Indian club and they play 26 games a season. I would guess that we would be paying him somewhere in the region of $250,000 perhaps.
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about 13 years ago

Carlos could be the player that unlocks Stein because both of them play football. (that sounds silly but I think you get what I mean)

What we need to add to that spine is a box to box CM who will link with Manny and Hernandez. Doesn't have to shut the midfield down or put in tackles, just quick and reads the game well to anticipate the play and clog the passing lanes, be a ball winner and slip it off to Hernandez sitting on his hip. Manny can be the shield that sits in front of Dura and Sigmund.

That would be a massive upgrade. Please dear lord, sign us one of those. How I long for the return of Tim Brown

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about 13 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

What we need to add to that spine is a box to box CM who will link with Manny and Hernandez. 


Can Cernak do that job?


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about 13 years ago

I'll bet that Ricki sees Smith as doing that job. midfield of manny (DM) Smith (CM) Boyd/Fenton in the mix, with Hernandez behind the strikers.

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about 13 years ago

theprof wrote:

I'll bet that Ricki sees Smith as doing that job. 


So you're picking either Sanchez or Totori to go, then. Well, I honestly don't know. Smith and Sanchez have been anonymous and Totori has been noticed for all the wrong reasons. That said, Totori has room to improve.


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about 13 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

Carlos could be the player that unlocks Stein because both of them play football. (that sounds silly but I think you get what I mean)

What we need to add to that spine is a box to box CM who will link with Manny and Hernandez. Doesn't have to shut the midfield down or put in tackles, just quick and reads the game well to anticipate the play and clog the passing lanes, be a ball winner and slip it off to Hernandez sitting on his hip. Manny can be the shield that sits in front of Dura and Sigmund.

That would be a massive upgrade. Please dear lord, sign us one of those. How I long for the return of Tim Brown

Would prefer a deep lying playmaker
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about 13 years ago

Doloras wrote:

theprof wrote:

I'll bet that Ricki sees Smith as doing that job. 

 

So you're picking either Sanchez or Totori to go, then. Well, I honestly don't know. Smith and Sanchez have been anonymous and Totori has been noticed for all the wrong reasons. That said, Totori has room to improve.

well given Totori is staying (ugh) that leaves smith or sanchez to be cut, as sanchez plays a similar role as Hernandez I'd take a punt that Smith will stay.

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about 13 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

That would be a massive upgrade. Please dear lord, sign us one of those. How I long for the return of Tim Brown


I believe he's coming back in a couple of weeks,staying a month before heading off to the States for further study.
We should see if he wants a kick around !

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Guest stint ftw.

In all serious, I hope he comes into the Zone. He would be most welcome.


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about 13 years ago

 got the LSE hook ups- I now the reserve janitor there...I'll see what I can do....



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about 13 years ago

Doloras wrote:
Can Cernak do that job?


I don't think so.  Think we need a Culina, only aged 26ish, not 32, with at least one knee and less cock.

Out of the A-League players (although I assume he's not available) I like this guy:

Billy Celeski


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about 13 years ago

Hard News wrote:

Doloras wrote:
Can Cernak do that job?


I don't think so.  Think we need a Culina, only aged 26ish, not 32, with at least one knee and less cock.

Out of the A-League players (although I assume he's not available) I like this guy:

Billy Celeski


His contract does expire this year. 
Luke Brattan?
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about 13 years ago

Cernak could not do that job. His game is purely as an AM.

I too was thinking a younger Culina. Billy Celeski is an interesting one and is Luke Brattan. Nick Montgomery I like the look of but....

Grumpy old bastard alert

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Hard News wrote:

Doloras wrote:

Can Cernak do that job?



I don't think so.  Think we need a Culina, only aged 26ish, not 32, with at least one knee and less cock.

Out of the A-League players (although I assume he's not available) I like this guy:



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about 13 years ago

patrick478 wrote:

Guest stint ftw.

In all serious, I hope he comes into the Zone. He would be most welcome.


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about 13 years ago

patrick478 wrote:

Guest stint ftw.

In all serious, I hope he comes into the Zone. He would be most welcome.

This would make me so happy! Would be the highlight of my year for sure.

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about 13 years ago

el grapadura wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

In fairness everyone thought we had a top 2 squad. Players, staff, fans. No one could have predicted the improvement in football through the league this year and so many of our players falling flat at the same time


Not sure that it's the improvement in the league that has seen us falling this far down. I feel the biggest problem we've encountered this season is that the senior players the club's relied on to turn us into perennial play-off contenders have hit a wall - which is not surprising given the age of most of those players. But there's also an element of bad luck - I guess you could anticipate 1 or 2 getting to that point, and a squad can absorb that, but when it's more than half your starting line-up, and you have a lot of donkey on the bench, things go pear-shaped really quickly.
I do think Ricki probably needs to go as a coach, not because he's terrible and, according to some, the root cause of all our problems, but because he and this group of players have basically gone as far as they could have, and have come to the end of their cycle. Bringing in a new coach won't change things immediately or dramatically (we'll still have lots of dead wood in the squad to get rid of over the next season or two), but will bring a new perspective and a more positive feel around the club, which is sorely needed at the moment.

 

I see that Ricki is bringing back Lochhead, Bertos and Siggy for the Roar game. Whoever was at the back for the Nix against the CCM was in for a torrid time as the 5-0 thumping proved. It was nice timing for Lochhead not to be there. I think that result has possibly put paid to Hogg and Boxall getting much more first team game time, because deep down Ricki wants a reason to stick with his favourites.

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about 13 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

Cernak could not do that job. His game is purely as an AM.

I too was thinking a younger Culina. Billy Celeski is an interesting one and is Luke Brattan. Nick Montgomery I like the look of but....

How about ACFC's non-stop Albert Reira? Just a thought.

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about 13 years ago

Hard News wrote:

Doloras wrote:
Can Cernak do that job?


I don't think so.  Think we need a Culina, only aged 26ish, not 32, with at least one knee and less cock.

Out of the A-League players (although I assume he's not available) I like this guy:

Billy Celeski



definitely had a good comeback at Victory...It's a pity in a way- when the 'Nix started there were a crop of professionals from the MLS and other Aussie clubs ready to come back. It's a pity there aren't a couple of box to box kiwis out there playing professionally who could be up for it...


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about 13 years ago

Doloras wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

What we need to add to that spine is a box to box CM who will link with Manny and Hernandez. 


Can Cernak do that job?

How about Mr Keat?

Also can I just say this signing has impressed me immensely. I've been critical of Welnix but I'm surprised and pleased they've managed to line up a player like Carlos for next season, and so far out from the start of the season too. Encouraging signs :)

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about 13 years ago

Trueblue wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Cernak could not do that job. His game is purely as an AM.

I too was thinking a younger Culina. Billy Celeski is an interesting one and is Luke Brattan. Nick Montgomery I like the look of but....

How about ACFC's non-stop Albert Reira? Just a thought.

I get where you are coming from. I guess I'm thinking of the link between the DM (Manny) and the AM (Hernandez). I think he has to have a big engine to get up and down the pitch (box to box) primarily to shade Manny and cover Hernandez lack of defence but also be able to sit off Hernandez in the front half and be an outlet. Doesn't need to be a big tackler or big hitter because Manny does that already. Light on feet, swift and can read an opposition attack well to pick off passes and clog passing lanes. I guess more a disrupter than destroyer and just flick it to Hernandez off his hip. Also needs to be able to facilitate that transition from defence to attack so really needs to boss the middle of the field. It sounds a lot but I think what I am not looking for is a big tackler or a fancy fleet footed footballer like Marco.

Does Riera fit that? I'm not sure. He probably is worth a trial. Needs to bulk up though.

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about 13 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

Trueblue wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Cernak could not do that job. His game is purely as an AM.

I too was thinking a younger Culina. Billy Celeski is an interesting one and is Luke Brattan. Nick Montgomery I like the look of but....

How about ACFC's non-stop Albert Reira? Just a thought.

I get where you are coming from. I guess I'm thinking of the link between the DM (Manny) and the AM (Hernandez). I think he has to have a big engine to get up and down the pitch (box to box) primarily to shade Manny and cover Hernandez lack of defence but also be able to sit off Hernandez in the front half and be an outlet. Doesn't need to be a big tackler or big hitter because Manny does that already. Light on feet, swift and can read an opposition attack well to pick off passes and clog passing lanes. I guess more a disrupter than destroyer and just flick it to Hernandez off his hip. Also needs to be able to facilitate that transition from defence to attack so really needs to boss the middle of the field. It sounds a lot but I think what I am not looking for is a big tackler or a fancy fleet footed footballer like Marco.

Does Riera fit that? I'm not sure. He probably is worth a trial. Needs to bulk up though.


Been saying it for ages, need someone who can sit deep in midfield next to Manny and pass the ball both long and short.  Doesn't need to be fanxy but they do need to be able to pass the ball.  Still needs to be a priority

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about 13 years ago

james dean wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Trueblue wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Cernak could not do that job. His game is purely as an AM.

I too was thinking a younger Culina. Billy Celeski is an interesting one and is Luke Brattan. Nick Montgomery I like the look of but....

How about ACFC's non-stop Albert Reira? Just a thought.

I get where you are coming from. I guess I'm thinking of the link between the DM (Manny) and the AM (Hernandez). I think he has to have a big engine to get up and down the pitch (box to box) primarily to shade Manny and cover Hernandez lack of defence but also be able to sit off Hernandez in the front half and be an outlet. Doesn't need to be a big tackler or big hitter because Manny does that already. Light on feet, swift and can read an opposition attack well to pick off passes and clog passing lanes. I guess more a disrupter than destroyer and just flick it to Hernandez off his hip. Also needs to be able to facilitate that transition from defence to attack so really needs to boss the middle of the field. It sounds a lot but I think what I am not looking for is a big tackler or a fancy fleet footed footballer like Marco.

Does Riera fit that? I'm not sure. He probably is worth a trial. Needs to bulk up though.


Been saying it for ages, need someone who can sit deep in midfield next to Manny and pass the ball both long and short.  Doesn't need to be fanxy but they do need to be able to pass the ball.  Still needs to be a priority


Completely agree.  A player like Hernandez, and a player like you describe above are the keys to improving this side.  Step 1 done, now hopefully step 2 is the priority as you say.
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about 13 years ago

Saw Undercover Boss on TV. Maybe a Phoenix episode is just what the establishment needs. 

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ahmad wrote:

Saw Undercover Boss on TV. Maybe a Phoenix episode is just what the establishment needs. 

More like 'Kitchen Nightmares' or 'Hotel Hell' Football Edition - somebody send Gordon Ramsay to Welnix. And fix the stadium food while he's at it
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Big Brother? 

The Phoenix team are thrown into a confined space with cameras everywhere and we tune in each week to watch them do absolutely nothing?

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about 13 years ago

Think there is a heap of shagging in those sorts of shows.That could be somewhat disturbing 

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about 13 years ago

AJ13 wrote:

ahmad wrote:

Saw Undercover Boss on TV. Maybe a Phoenix episode is just what the establishment needs. 

More like 'Kitchen Nightmares' or 'Hotel Hell' Football Edition - somebody send Gordon Ramsay to Welnix. And fix the stadium food while he's at it

Food at the stadium has improved massively.

Fritz's wieners, omnomnomnomnom

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about 13 years ago

el grapadura wrote:

AJ13 wrote:

ahmad wrote:

Saw Undercover Boss on TV. Maybe a Phoenix episode is just what the establishment needs. 

More like 'Kitchen Nightmares' or 'Hotel Hell' Football Edition - somebody send Gordon Ramsay to Welnix. And fix the stadium food while he's at it

Food at the stadium has improved massively.

Fritz's wieners, omnomnomnomnom

Even a stall that has sold vege lasagne - even if a little bit over priced.
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about 13 years ago

ahmad wrote:

Big Brother? 

The Phoenix team are thrown into a confined space with cameras everywhere and we tune in each week to watch them do absolutely nothing?


No need, we can just watch them out on the field.

We will never fully decide who has won the football.

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about 13 years ago

Ouch

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about 13 years ago

james dean wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Trueblue wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Cernak could not do that job. His game is purely as an AM.

I too was thinking a younger Culina. Billy Celeski is an interesting one and is Luke Brattan. Nick Montgomery I like the look of but....

How about ACFC's non-stop Albert Reira? Just a thought.

I get where you are coming from. I guess I'm thinking of the link between the DM (Manny) and the AM (Hernandez). I think he has to have a big engine to get up and down the pitch (box to box) primarily to shade Manny and cover Hernandez lack of defence but also be able to sit off Hernandez in the front half and be an outlet. Doesn't need to be a big tackler or big hitter because Manny does that already. Light on feet, swift and can read an opposition attack well to pick off passes and clog passing lanes. I guess more a disrupter than destroyer and just flick it to Hernandez off his hip. Also needs to be able to facilitate that transition from defence to attack so really needs to boss the middle of the field. It sounds a lot but I think what I am not looking for is a big tackler or a fancy fleet footed footballer like Marco.

Does Riera fit that? I'm not sure. He probably is worth a trial. Needs to bulk up though.


Been saying it for ages, need someone who can sit deep in midfield next to Manny and pass the ball both long and short.  Doesn't need to be fanxy but they do need to be able to pass the ball.  Still needs to be a priority

 

Or to rephrase that.....Been saying it for ages, need someone who can sit deep in midfield next to Manny and pass the ball both long and short.  Doesn't need to be fancy but they do need to be able to pass the ball along the ground, not route one.

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about 13 years ago

Lonegunmen wrote:

james dean wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Trueblue wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Cernak could not do that job. His game is purely as an AM.

I too was thinking a younger Culina. Billy Celeski is an interesting one and is Luke Brattan. Nick Montgomery I like the look of but....

How about ACFC's non-stop Albert Reira? Just a thought.

I get where you are coming from. I guess I'm thinking of the link between the DM (Manny) and the AM (Hernandez). I think he has to have a big engine to get up and down the pitch (box to box) primarily to shade Manny and cover Hernandez lack of defence but also be able to sit off Hernandez in the front half and be an outlet. Doesn't need to be a big tackler or big hitter because Manny does that already. Light on feet, swift and can read an opposition attack well to pick off passes and clog passing lanes. I guess more a disrupter than destroyer and just flick it to Hernandez off his hip. Also needs to be able to facilitate that transition from defence to attack so really needs to boss the middle of the field. It sounds a lot but I think what I am not looking for is a big tackler or a fancy fleet footed footballer like Marco.

Does Riera fit that? I'm not sure. He probably is worth a trial. Needs to bulk up though.


Been saying it for ages, need someone who can sit deep in midfield next to Manny and pass the ball both long and short.  Doesn't need to be fanxy but they do need to be able to pass the ball.  Still needs to be a priority

 

Or to rephrase that.....Been saying it for ages, need someone who can sit deep in midfield next to Manny and pass the ball both long and short.  Doesn't need to be fancy but they do need to be able to pass the ball along the ground, not route one.

 

That player did exist in New Zealand but he escaped RH's radar. When ACFC beat CCM last year McGlinchy and Bozanic's path to goal was constantly blocked by the ACFC DM - one Andreu Guerao Mayoral (yes, another bleedin' Spaniard, but by far the best they've had). The only goal City conceded was I seem to recall, the result of Hoggy putting his foot in and conceding a pen. CCM were on attack for most of the game of course, but Guerao not only broke most of these up, he also got the ACFC mids and strikers going with passes [quote: long and short]. And don't think CCM weren't trying - they were unbeaten pre-season up to then and wantedf to remain so. By game end McBreen was spitting tacks out of frustration with the lack of ball as much as the score. So was Zwaanswicjk, when Mulligan's pass put Tade clear for ACFC's 3rd goal and a 1- 3 loss.

Guerao was the standout player on the night, and CCM were gracious enough to admit as much. Then he got injured and only came back into form before ACFC's Japan expedition. Guerao then buggered off on a fulltime contract to the Ukraine.

I'm sure Turner was there on the night, but maybe he didn't bother telling Ricki. Pity. He could have been just the ticket.

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about 13 years ago

Guerao? Is this a serious post?

Grumpy old bastard alert

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about 13 years ago

Jerzy Merino wrote:

Lonegunmen wrote:

james dean wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Trueblue wrote:

Jeff Vader wrote:

Cernak could not do that job. His game is purely as an AM.

I too was thinking a younger Culina. Billy Celeski is an interesting one and is Luke Brattan. Nick Montgomery I like the look of but....

How about ACFC's non-stop Albert Reira? Just a thought.

I get where you are coming from. I guess I'm thinking of the link between the DM (Manny) and the AM (Hernandez). I think he has to have a big engine to get up and down the pitch (box to box) primarily to shade Manny and cover Hernandez lack of defence but also be able to sit off Hernandez in the front half and be an outlet. Doesn't need to be a big tackler or big hitter because Manny does that already. Light on feet, swift and can read an opposition attack well to pick off passes and clog passing lanes. I guess more a disrupter than destroyer and just flick it to Hernandez off his hip. Also needs to be able to facilitate that transition from defence to attack so really needs to boss the middle of the field. It sounds a lot but I think what I am not looking for is a big tackler or a fancy fleet footed footballer like Marco.

Does Riera fit that? I'm not sure. He probably is worth a trial. Needs to bulk up though.


Been saying it for ages, need someone who can sit deep in midfield next to Manny and pass the ball both long and short.  Doesn't need to be fanxy but they do need to be able to pass the ball.  Still needs to be a priority

 

Or to rephrase that.....Been saying it for ages, need someone who can sit deep in midfield next to Manny and pass the ball both long and short.  Doesn't need to be fancy but they do need to be able to pass the ball along the ground, not route one.

 

That player did exist in New Zealand but he escaped RH's radar. When ACFC beat CCM last year McGlinchy and Bozanic's path to goal was constantly blocked by the ACFC DM - one Andreu Guerao Mayoral (yes, another bleedin' Spaniard, but by far the best they've had). The only goal City conceded was I seem to recall, the result of Hoggy putting his foot in and conceding a pen. CCM were on attack for most of the game of course, but Guerao not only broke most of these up, he also got the ACFC mids and strikers going with passes [quote: long and short]. And don't think CCM weren't trying - they were unbeaten pre-season up to then and wantedf to remain so. By game end McBreen was spitting tacks out of frustration with the lack of ball as much as the score. So was Zwaanswicjk, when Mulligan's pass put Tade clear for ACFC's 3rd goal and a 1- 3 loss.

Guerao was the standout player on the night, and CCM were gracious enough to admit as much. Then he got injured and only came back into form before ACFC's Japan expedition. Guerao then buggered off on a fulltime contract to the Ukraine.

I'm sure Turner was there on the night, but maybe he didn't bother telling Ricki. Pity. He could have been just the ticket.

I agree, couldn't understand how Ricki never gave him a trial, the best player in the country when he was here. Just assumed the Phoenix leadership don't really follow the ASBP that closely.

A couple of season's ago Jason Haynes was a stand-out winger in the ASBP but although Ricki took him to LA for an All Whites friendly he simply ignored the lad who then went to Australia. The Phoenix has had a lot of players through its doors but the success rate has not been good. That has to be down to Ricki in the end. 

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about 13 years ago

Hayne went to Aus state leagues and hasn't been near any other A-League side.  That hardly proves he's good enough to have been a Phoenix player.

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about 13 years ago

Hard News wrote:

Hayne went to Aus state leagues and hasn't been near any other A-League side.  That hardly proves he's good enough to have been a Phoenix player.


He played for ACFC. He must have been good enough for an A League contract
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about 13 years ago

Jeff Vader wrote:

Guerao? Is this a serious post?

 

According to Wiki Guerau played 41 matches for Sporting Gijon then 34 for Polonia Warsaw before joining ACFC. Then 3 for Dinamo Tbilisi before moving to Lechia Gdansk, playing 8. Now he's back in Spain with Racing Santander. Not exactly a Messi, granted, but a Euro-hardened journeyman pro. By the way, did you see that ACFC v CCM match JV?

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I'll take my chance because luck is on my side or something...

Her name is Rio, she don't need to understand...

Oh Rio, Rio, hear them shout across the land..."

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about 13 years ago

Jerzy Merino wrote:
 Now he's back in Spain with Racing Santander.


He signed with our old buddy Ahsan Ali Syed? He must be the real deal so!

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