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http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/sport/phoenix/6717559/Phoenix-reveal-plan-for-the-future



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Not much detail but the same over view as has been put forward from the early days of the new masters.

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WELNIX ANNOUNCES FOOTBALL GRASSROOTS PROGRAMME

 

The ownership consortium of the Wellington Phoenix, Welnix LP, today announced it is establishing a football finishing school with a focus on preparing promising youth players for professional careers.

 

Based in Wellington, the programme will bring together the best young talent to train with the Phoenix. Very much an initiative which looks at developing the football talent identified at a grassroots level, Welnix board member Gareth Morgan says the programme has been designed to be a finishing school for the country�s best amateur talent.

 

�We have some amazing young footballers in New Zealand but there is no pathway for these players to develop their skills and migrate into professional contracts without leaving New Zealand,� Morgan said.

 

�Our vision is to take these talented individuals from around the country, bring them to Wellington to train and play with the Phoenix, and those that make the grade will start their professional careers at the Phoenix� Morgan said.

 

�While the programme provides the best of our youth players with the option of a professional football career, the Phoenix�s future is also more secure if our best up and coming players can join our club.

 

�We have a wonderful team at the Phoenix but as we found out pretty quickly when we took over, there is not enough player depth, which leaves us vulnerable. We�ve noticed how our competitors in the A-League are able to blood new young players, which insures their senior squad against injuries and player loss. We need this capability here at the Phoenix.

 

�The players will be amateur until they are sufficiently skilled to be offered Phoenix contracts, and we want to see more of our local talent who are making waves at the grassroots level entering into our playing ranks. Exposing these lads to the excellence of a professional football organisation and the expertise of Ricki Herbert and his staff is the first step.

 

�The vision for the Welnix Grassroots programme extends beyond preparing a squad of top amateur players to offering comprehensive training and skills development programmes for women, boys and girls, based at a fully functional football centre of excellence with top-class amenities.

 

�With an outreach programme that provides Phoenix skills courses and coaching clinics throughout New Zealand we are determined to help the game here.

 

�We believe the model is quite inspirational and we are keen to work alongside New Zealand Football, its Federations and Clubs in making football, which is already the sport of choice for so many New Zealanders, underpin the professional level of the code right here at home.

�We�re very excited about the potential to achieve something truly exceptional with this programme. It is the start of a new era and will raise the number of New Zealanders good enough to join our professional team.�

 

 

At a glance

 

1.   The finishing school will have players in residence in Wellington by June 2012

2.   Eight players 20 years old or younger will be asked to join this season

3.   These eight players will train and play with the Phoenix

4.   Each player will be offered appropriate accommodation, allowances and schooling opportunities developed specifically for each player.

5.   The eight players will be eligible to play for Team Wellington in the ASB premiership.

6.   The eight players will combine with Phoenix players to play midweek friendly games against squads around the country.

7.   During the winter season the players will play in the local Wellington club competition.

 

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Sounds a lot like what happens now if I'm honest? Unless I'm missing something? And the midweek friendlies are just like the ASB challenge from last season.

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Bit underwhelmed if that's all of it, but its a start I guess.
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oops that is embargoed. um deleted now

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What are you not saying - More news to follow soon!!!!!!!!!!!

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Read all about it (tomorrow)   

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Phoenix fund finishing school

Wellington Phoenix owners have announced the establishment of a football finishing school they hope will help bolster the game in New Zealand.


The Welnix consortium, which took over the Hyundai A-League club just prior to the start of this season, have always been open about their desire to improve the pathways available to players in New Zealand who are striving to become professionals.

From June, eight players aged 20 and under will be based in Wellington and will train with the Hyundai A-League club and play with the Phoenix in midweek friendly games as well as being eligible to play for ASB Premiership side Team Wellington.

In addition each player will be offered appropriate accommodation, allowances and schooling opportunities.

"We have some amazing young footballers in New Zealand but there is no pathway for these players to develop their skills and migrate into professional contracts without leaving New Zealand," said Gareth Morgan, a board member of Welnix.

"Our vision is to take these talented individuals from around the country, bring them to Wellington to train and play with the Phoenix, and those that make the grade will start their professional careers at the Phoenix."

"While the programme provides the best of our youth players with the option of a professional football career, the Phoenix's future is also more secure if our best up-and-coming players can join our club."

The eight players will come from around New Zealand and Morgan revealed there would be a variety of ways towards securing possible selection.

"Some will be shoulder tapping and invitations. Some guys will apply and some will be identified for us through the scouting networks," he said.

"They'll be under 20s so we'd expect a reasonable number of them to come out of the Under 20s New Zealand squad."

The Welnix Grassroots initiative is part of a bigger long-term plan to offer comprehensive training and skills development programmes for men, women, boys and girls at a football centre of excellence.

"We are very keen to take the excellence you get from a professional game and spread it across the amateur game," explained Morgan.

"The thing I find really frustrating about football in New Zealand is that it has huge participation at kiddies level and by the time they come out of school it just sort of dies."

"We don't want it to die. How you make a successful sport and a sustainable sport is that there's somewhere for them to go in the sport."

"We need to have a very strong pathway where these kids can get to a professional level within New Zealand, not having to leave New Zealand to do it."

"New Zealand is 199th in the FIFA rankings. That's pathetic. We need to improve that. How do we do that? This is just one of the ways to try and do that."

Morgan said the programme had got the backing of both Football Federation Australia and New Zealand Football.

"The players are amateurs so they come under New Zealand Football, not under the A-League," he said.

"It's not until they are professionals and employed by the Phoenix that the FFA really enters into this equation."

"But we have kept both the FFA and NZF very well apprised of what we're doing and what our intentions are. We've tried our best to make sure those bodies are all for what we're doing. We've taken advice from both of them.
http://www.sportal.co.nz/football-news-display/phoenix-fund-finishing-school-170793
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As i said above - meh, nothing new. Tegal2012-04-11 01:29:34

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Devil's in the detail Tegal - what were you expecting??  This is the beginning of a bigger structure I'm sure, but you can't set up an academy of 20 or 30 players overnight.  Key details for me are players are recruited to be based in wellington, actively attached to the club, plus a clear formal link between the Phoenix and TW.
 
The amateur/pro thing is going to be a problem for a while and clearly youth league would be the ultimate.  Until that time some of it is going to be a bit of a muddle. But this is a start.
 
Put it this way, if you're 16 and want to be a pro footballer is this good or bad news for you?
 
In time, it would be interesting to have a phoenix youth team play in the central league as well
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james dean wrote:
Devil's in the detail Tegal - what were you expecting??  This is the beginning of a bigger structure I'm sure, but you can't set up an academy of 20 or 30 players overnight.  Key details for me are players are recruited to be based in wellington, actively attached to the club, plus a clear formal link between the Phoenix and TW.
 
The amateur/pro thing is going to be a problem for a while and clearly youth league would be the ultimate.  Until that time some of it is going to be a bit of a muddle. But this is a start.
 
Put it this way, if you're 16 and want to be a pro footballer is this good or bad news for you?
 
In time, it would be interesting to have a phoenix youth team play in the central league as well
 
Agreed.
 
It's not a NYL team, but it's still a big step forward from having a few randoms train with them from time to time with the odd Fever scholorship winner thrown in.
 

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8 young guys are gonna be absolutely stoked. I assume this is going to be Kiwi only? Or do you think we may let in a promising Aussie if they were good enough?


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Tegal wrote:
As i said above - meh, nothing new.
Sounds a lot more formalised that before with players staying for a season.  Whereas before it seemed a lot more ad hoc.
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Lets get serious and name your lucky 8
 
The hard thing is if you chose a 20 year old he only has one year with no opportunity of taking a pro spot as an under 21 after that
Is the better option to look at a 17 year old, take him on as trainee for 2 years, and if good enough, he can then take the under 21 spot for two years.
 
Any names ?? 
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Given the realities of the situation, this seems like the best possible outcome. I guess ideally like was mentioned above you'd have an academy squad of 18 or so that all play together as a team in the winter comp, then with friendlies midweek over summer while training with the Phoenix squad, plus the top guys playing for TW, but that is probably overly optimistic, and as JD says, you can't set up that sort of thing overnight.

The next thing will be buy in from the other regions - hopefully no-one will be actively discouraged from taking up an invitation. I wouldn't hold my breath though.
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Really good approach IMO - 8 is a good number of players too. Enough for a keeper and 2 each of defenders, mids, and strikers, and a spare for whichever player seems to warrant it. Anything bigger might not have been sustainable.

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Sound sensible planning from the Seven. Step by step to success

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UK Kiwi wrote:
Lets get serious and name your lucky 8
 
The hard thing is if you chose a 20 year old he only has one year with no opportunity of taking a pro spot as an under 21 after that
Is the better option to look at a 17 year old, take him on as trainee for 2 years, and if good enough, he can then take the under 21 spot for two years.
 
Any names ?? 


What Phoenix players are going to want to train with a bunch of 17 year olds?
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I'd saay most of them would be happy to train, play nmidweek games with the young guys, none of the current nix squad strike me as being terribly aloof or elitist about their positions

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,...and they often have local Wellington 17-year-olds involved without stress.  This will probably be a better relationship in fact as these guys will be engaged with them full time.

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UK Kiwi wrote:
Lets get serious and name your lucky 8
 
The hard thing is if you chose a 20 year old he only has one year with no opportunity of taking a pro spot as an under 21 after that
Is the better option to look at a 17 year old, take him on as trainee for 2 years, and if good enough, he can then take the under 21 spot for two years.
 
Any names ?? 
I would hope we are looking at much younger than 20.

Maybe look at the players in their last year of high school, to give us a chance to look at them before they decide to give the US College system a go.
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It's a good compromise between getting what we need and doing so in an affordable manner. I always thought both the funding and logistics of a reserve team in australia were obstacles too big to be worth it. Key thing will be the quality and number of the friendlies. Interesting to see they will be available for Team Wellington.
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Well I guess Fenton, Basalaj are obvious options. Rowe you would think as well?


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The VPL runs over winter right? Probably good for him, pity he couldn't see out the season for team wellington though. Hope to see him at the Nix next season.
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2ndBest wrote:
Tegal wrote:
As i said above - meh, nothing new.
Sounds a lot more formalised that before with players staying for a season.  Whereas before it seemed a lot more ad hoc.
 
Yeah ok, ill expand on my meh.
 
It is clearly the start of something. But for now it is just what was already in place in the past, to an extent, but with a promise for something better, and with welnix it'll definetly be more official and better run.
 
The press announcement is probably more about making it sound more official, rather than announcing anything particularly new and/or exciting.

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Any progress in this area has to be applauded. This initiative will be great for the development of those 8 players. However like many I was kind of hoping for a Nix reserve team playing in the ASB Premiership...either formally or informally.
I guess this was too hard to do politically and probably too expensive.
 
It is a shame that this squad was restricted to under 20's. Surely any promising young player should be eligible. I can see a big drop out rate for players when they turn 20...where do they go after that?
 
Also what does it mean for players like Cameron Lindsay? He probably won't break into the Nix 11 next season. Looks like all he will get is some midweek friendlies....which is not great for the development of a young player. He would be better off training with the Nix and playing regularly for Team Wgt as well.
 
I'm not complaining because it is a start and we have not seen any details yet but I would love to know how NZF and the ASB clubs responded to the Welnix initiative because what we have got  is not what was flagged earlier in the season.
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2ndBest wrote:
Tegal wrote:
As i said above - meh, nothing new.


Sounds a lot more formalised that before with players staying for a season.� Whereas before it seemed a lot more ad hoc.


The important thing for me is that the Magnificent Eight are going to be available for TW and therefore get real game time, which is the beginning of a "feeder club / reserves" setup.

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The ASB challenge was also flamed by some when it was announced. This is pretty much the same thing (a group of young players training with the nix, playing midweek friendlies with some of the nix reserves), but is getting a different reception. It's interesting.
 
Is it possibly because people have more faith in Welnix to step it up into something more later? Or is it suddenly a great idea?

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Tegal wrote:
The ASB challenge was also flamed by some when it was announced. This is pretty much the same thing (a group of young players training with the nix, playing midweek friendlies with some of the nix reserves), but is getting a different reception. It's interesting.
 
Is it possibly because people have more faith in Welnix to step it up into something more later? Or is it suddenly a great idea?
IMO the ASB challenge was better. Regular competitive games against the top sides in the country including the  Nix youth and senior non players. I can't really see many of the Nixettes 8 getting lots of game time for Team Wellington.....they already have a fullish squad with many good senior players.
I think everyone is just trying to be positive about this initiative until we see how it plays out. But at the moment it does have an academy "lite" feel to it. In reality however it might evolve into something better and bigger.
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Tegal wrote:


The ASB challenge was also flamed by some when it was announced. This is pretty much the same thing (a group of young players training with the nix, playing midweek friendlies with some of the nix reserves), but is getting a different reception. It's interesting.
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Is it possibly because people have more faith in Welnix to step it up into something more later? Or is it suddenly a great idea?

Who was flaming it? It was better than nothing. However I don't recall 8 new under 20 players ever being involved on a permanent basis. I don't recall exactly how many there were but it was more like 1 or 2 plus a bunch of ring-ins when the 1st team squad size was hindered by injury.
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zinidane wrote:
IMO the ASB challenge was better. Regular competitive games against the top sides in the country including the  Nix youth and senior non players. I can't really see many of the Nixettes 8 getting lots of game time for Team Wellington.....they already have a fullish squad with many good senior players.
 
Hang on.  If you were assembling that squad for this season ti could well have had all of Lucas, Fenton, Rowe, Gulley, Galbraith in it, all of whom make the Team Wellington playing squad week in and week out.

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zinidane wrote:
Tegal wrote:
The ASB challenge was also flamed by some when it was announced. This is pretty much the same thing (a group of young players training with the nix, playing midweek friendlies with some of the nix reserves), but is getting a different reception. It's interesting.
 
Is it possibly because people have more faith in Welnix to step it up into something more later? Or is it suddenly a great idea?
IMO the ASB challenge was better. Regular competitive games against the top sides in the country including the  Nix youth and senior non players. I can't really see many of the Nixettes 8 getting lots of game time for Team Wellington.....they already have a fullish squad with many good senior players.
I think everyone is just trying to be positive about this initiative until we see how it plays out. But at the moment it does have an academy "lite" feel to it. In reality however it might evolve into something better and bigger.
Why would anyone invest MORE money in the team for new initiatives in the club when you get responses like these
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I think it's great they're taking a 'baby steps' approach. Gives them a chance to refine things during the season, and improve next.

They could have easily gone BIG, and f**ked it up, and then there would be the expected 'what a waste of time' comments.

I'd rather them deliver the goods gradually, and build something valuable, than screw themselves over in the short term.

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zinidane wrote:
...at the moment it does have an academy "lite" feel to it.
Hey we arent Man Utd or Barca. 8 under 20 NZers getting a chance to be paid to train and play football (pretty much fulltime) in this country is a pretty massive step forward. This is something for young guys to aspire to adn provides positives all around.
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If one of the eight get called up for the Nix (e.g. as injury replacement) it will be no problem, but then they cannot return to an amateur competition (i.e. would not be able to play for TW again), am I right? Or can someone explain. SC032012-04-11 16:12:52
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Four week standdown to move from professional to amateur if they get on the pitch unless NZF, the FFA and FIFA have come to some arrangement.

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