Phoenix to move to Auckland (maybe)

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Arsenal wrote:

Would you rather the Phoenix ceased to exist, or relocated to Auckland?

Ceased to exist than give it some dirty JAFAs...

I'm an optimistic pessimist.

I'm positive things will go wrong.

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Bingo! - that bottom-feeding troll Burgess has already updated his "story" to include quotes from here. What a joke.

Slow week for you is it Dave? Did Bernadette tell you to get off your fat arse and "make up some more sh*t about Serepisos and the Phoenix"?

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I support the Wellington Phoenix, who would not be where they are today without the massive Yellow Fever support.

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Arsenal wrote:

Would you rather the Phoenix ceased to exist, or relocated to Auckland?

I would rather a move to Auckland was the absolute last resort and I'm afraid FVH doesn't see it that way, even though I don't think he is actively gunning for it. If Terry could no longer support the Phoenix preferential treatment from NZF in selecting a new owner should be given to one keeping it in Wellington. Some good could come of this (the story) though, it should make those city councilors realise just how much the Phoenix actually brings to the city. Could also stir up crowd numbers a little from riled wellingtonians.

If there was absolutely no one to fund it in Wellington it would be better to have an NZ team in the a-league than not at all, but even then Christchurch may well support a team better than Auckland.

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Lets hope it makes someone get off their butt.Any wonder this sort of speculation/stiring is being made with all the speculation around just how viable we are.

Not sure why they think it would work a third time up their after 2 attempts already.

As someone else said not sure how this talk of moving games around would help season memberships.

GET YOUR SHIRTS OFF FOR THE BOYS

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ballane wrote:

As someone else said not sure how this talk of moving games around would help season memberships.

Not to mention the toll of increased travel and lack of home advantage for the players.

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

what a joke, slow day for the doom post! anything to sell papers to aucklanders!

Queenslander 3x a year.

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The concern for me is the lack of full denial from NZ Football. Smoke without fire and all that.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

2011/12 Hyundai A-League season draw released today. Stay tuned. Wonder if there will be any Auckland games ....?

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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Scottishbhoy wrote:

2011/12 Hyundai A-League season draw released today. Stay tuned. Wonder if there will be any Auckland games ....?

I'm guessing one to Auckland, none to Chch.

Fruglo on 15.01.2013 wrote:

Fuck this stupid game

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Hard News wrote:

The concern for me is the lack of full denial from NZ Football.ï¿½ Smoke without fire and all that.

it is NZF after all, maybe they don't open up until midday

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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Scottishbhoy wrote:

Hard News wrote:

The concern for me is the lack of full denial from NZ Football. Smoke without fire and all that.

it is NZF after all, maybe they don't open up until midday

Or they've closed up for christmas.

Fruglo on 15.01.2013 wrote:

Fuck this stupid game

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RedGed wrote:

If the outcome of this.. "expose"...is to motivate a Wellington investor or investors to step up and either support Terry or offer to take over if Terry can't carry on, well and good.Just keep the Phoenix "Wellington" Phoenix please.

Thats not the problem, time for terry to come out and be honest about his financial position.

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Apparently i've missed it but Uncle Frank has apparently gone off on one and referred to the story as 'bullsh*t' on Radio Live so i retract that statement.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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As an Ex Wellingtonian and big Nix fan now in Akl I see as one of the worst possible outcomes of Terry's money issues. If Giltrap is a smart business man, which he seems to be, then why would he move the Nix. Would he open a BMW dealership in Tolaga Bay? It works where it is because of where it is, not what it is.

Its no longer a problem.

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Viewing the article again, I'm thinking NZ Warriors, NZ Breakers, NZ....??

Perhaps the theory is there are several pockets of football fans throughout the country, starved of the opportunity to see top level football.
By taking a newly packaged, NZ wide franchise on the road to well promoted regional locations the logic may well be that the gain in income achieved..think Nix in Christchurch, past two seasons... may well overcome any income loss through season membership numbers reduced from fewer actual "home" games in any one city.
Giltrap and Co are looking to nationalise the A-League opportunity,probably re-packaged to the FFA as likely to have more buy-in from the total 4.5 million opportunity that is the Nz market than the parochial Wellington-based Nix.
Now, there's a challenge for us!

Improving,,on the up, a work in progress from Italiano and the Nix. Bring on the bathroom bling in '24! COYN!

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Every body has to remember - if you beat the Donkey to much it will stop pulling your cart>

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tpmyhill wrote:

Thats not the problem, time for terry to come out and be honest about his financial position.

It certainly is a problem. The Terry one is another one but in the absence of any other names then Giltrap (or the rumour of him) by default becomes option number 2.

As I've been saying all along, these rumoured investors need to break cover and engage with the FFA or NZF otherwise they're as useless to the club as the Knights in the A-League.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Good to see some alternatives I reckon, as Terry's stiuation looks dire

People were saying there was noone out there, well, maybe there is.....

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Toffeeman wrote:

The fat rubbish goalkeeper has nailed it here.

Think Gold Coast United,

How's my driving? - Whine here

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Telfer has spent the last half an hour on the subject on Radio Sport so there can't be too much in it!

Mr Telfer has no idea about anything!

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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"WE'D LOVE IT, BUT...: Auckland Phoenix fans Tony Wilson and Todd Darvill under the Sky Tower. "It's a kick in the teeth for Wellingtonians but I would love it,'' says Wilson. Aucklanders would support them as long as they won. Darvill says he'd love them in Auckland too, "but the Phoenix are doing so well in Wellington, they should stay there''."

..would support them as long as they won.. oh dear.

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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http://www.radiosport.co.nz/SportsNews/spsoc/Detail.aspx?id=197749

ive got a song that wont take long, Adelaide are rubbish.. the second verse is same as the first.. ADELAIDE ARE RUBBISH

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TopLeft07 wrote:

Scottishbhoy wrote:

2011/12 Hyundai A-League season draw released today. Stay tuned. Wonder if there will be any Auckland games ....?

I'm guessing one to Auckland, none to Chch.

Terry was on national radio this morning saying one would be going to Auckland and one to Christchurch this season.

Auckland already have the Warriors, Breakers. Adding the Nix would be suicide. The warriors are already complaining they only get 11k to their games. (quoting Tony Veitch there)

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Oceanic6 wrote:

TopLeft07 wrote:

I'm guessing one to Auckland, none to Chch.

Terry was on national radio this morning saying one would be going to Auckland and one to Christchurch this season.

That's interesting. I've heard otherwise but things may have changed since then.

Fruglo on 15.01.2013 wrote:

Fuck this stupid game

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

To be honest I blame the French...

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Hard News wrote:

Toffeeman wrote:

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The fat rubbish goalkeeper has nailed it here.

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Think Gold Coast United,

Thank you, I think.

Its no longer a problem.

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

An open letter to the Dominion Post:

Dear Editor,

YOUR PUBLICATION IS A SHAMBLES!

Warm Regards,

Ian C

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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Hard News wrote:

tpmyhill wrote:

Thats not the problem, time for terry to come out and be honest about his financial position.

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It certainly is a problem.ï¿½ The Terry one is another one but in the absence of any other names then Giltrap (or the rumour of him) by default becomes option number 2.

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As I've been saying all along, these rumoured investors need to break coverï¿½and engage with the FFAï¿½or NZF otherwise they're as useless toï¿½the clubï¿½as the Knights in the A-League.

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They might not have talked to NZF or FFA but they have talked with terry, and therein lies the issue

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

I blame John Morrison for all of this nonsense. He is the one who seems to be pointing the finger at NZF. He should shut up and stop s**t stirring.

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Hard News wrote:

Toffeeman wrote:

The fat rubbish goalkeeper has nailed it here.

Think Gold Coast United,

Devils advocate hat on here.
Whereas my heart agrees with you Toffeeman and News, my head says the business case analogy is not about a BMW franchise for Tolaga Bay.
It is actually marketing BMWs effectively to all NZers.... or, more than just Wellingtonians.
Extending the analogy, sure the local Wellington BMW franchise has performed admirably but seems to have hit a ceiling in its territory. Though some successes in Christchurch and more recently Hamilton, through parochial barriers,may well find it difficult to sell BMWs in the largest market of all...Auckland.
Wellington Phoenix has been very successful in engaging with the local community and region..yes,we can contrast that with GCU's failure to engage its own.
Should or could the Nix take it to another level, effectively engage with the whole country and fully realise the opportunity, as this Giltrap plan looks to be heading towards?

Improving,,on the up, a work in progress from Italiano and the Nix. Bring on the bathroom bling in '24! COYN!

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

The Morrison statement is a valid point and one suggested to me by someone in the media as well. Hard News2011-05-31 10:11:20

How's my driving? - Whine here

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RedGed wrote:

Devils advocate hat on here.

Ah yes, but you are ignoring the fact that they opened a couple of large flash dealerships in Auckland already and all they managed to sell was a 2nd hand E36 series 318i.

How's my driving? - Whine here

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RedGed wrote:

Hard News wrote:

Toffeeman wrote:

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The fat rubbish goalkeeper has nailed it here.

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Think Gold Coast United,

Devils advocate hat on here.Whereas my heart agrees with you Toffeeman and News, my head says the business case analogy is not about a BMW franchise for Tolaga Bay.ï¿½It is actually marketing BMWs effectively to all NZers.... or, more than just Wellingtonians.Extending the analogy, sure the local Wellington BMW franchise has performed admirably but seems to have hit a ceiling in its territory. Though some successes in Christchurch and more recently Hamilton, through parochial barriers,may well find it difficult to sell BMWs in the largest market of all...Auckland.Wellington Phoenix has been very successful in engaging with the local community and region..yes,we can contrast that with GCU's failure to engage its own.Should or could the Nix take it to another level, effectively engage with the whole country and fully realise the opportunity, as this Giltrap plan looks to be heading towards?

Truth is I don't believe the Wellington market ceiling has been hit. At least not on a regular basis. Agreed, there seems to be a fixed regular attendance but, as has been shown, there are a lot of people who will go if the product is right, which it has been a few times. I think a game in Auclkland each season will be a start to redemption for Auckland. To analogise, don't build a new dealership in Tolaga Bay, just put a few new BMWs in the window at Tolaga Bay Motors. After all, the Mercedes and Ferrari dealerships both failed there.

Its no longer a problem.

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

why are there over 1131 people on the stuff poll who aren't bothered?? GRRRRR Oceanic62011-05-31 10:19:21

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I'm curious about the timing of this report. Anyone else wonder why it just so happens that the report was published at a time when the head of NZF is out of town? Add to that the fact that the A-League draw is due for release today.

Maybe there is somethig to this story and maybe there isn't but it just seems to me that the Doom Post has gotten into a routine of "breaking" stories at times when people are not around to refute any claims that are made.

In my opinion it leaves them with very little, if any, credibility!

"Ive just re-visited this and once again realised that C-Diddy is a genius - a drunk, Newcastle bred disgrace - but a genius." - Hard News, 11:39am 4th June 2009

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Hard News wrote:

The Morrison statement is a valid point and one suggested to me by someone in the media as well.

The point seems to be, if the Phoenix fails, NZF will work with whoever comes forward, including parties outside Wellington. Which makes sense, from their point of view.

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RedGed wrote:

Hard News wrote:

Toffeeman wrote:

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The fat rubbish goalkeeper has nailed it here.

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Think Gold Coast United,

I don't live in Wellington, and i don't feel aggrieved by the fact the team is called the Wellington Phoenix.

Should the Nix go to the next level and go nationwide? Of course, but they need to think carefully about how they do it. A name change doesn't achieve that.

Perhaps the extremely long off-season should be being used to get players out and about around the country at grassroots, not just in Wellington (not sure if thats even happening)

The CHCH games are big because they're once a season. I predict the AKL match will likely be pretty big too, but not a case for week after week action.

It's like a rock concert in a way. If U2 (for example) did a concert in AKL every week, they wouldn't pack out the stadium every week. But if they only came once a year, they can ensure excitement, and most of all bums on seats.

Yellow Whever Whanganui

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Scottishbhoy wrote:

http://www.radiosport.co.nz/SportsNews/spsoc/Detail.aspx?id=197749

Its Telfer, I have to ask, do I really want to listen to that or will it make my head explode with frustration at the ignorance?

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almost 15 years ago · edited over 13 years ago

Credit to him. Thanks to his kids he's improved as an analyst on football immeasurably recently.

Can someone sum up his position and any recent updates?

How's my driving? - Whine here

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